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  1. jymkym1's Avatar
    I haven't used it yet, but I wanted to see if anyone here uses it on a regular basis, how does it compare to other brands of gps navigation.

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    04-15-08 09:03 PM
  2. fonebrkr's Avatar
    I had it on all my pre BB phones and loved it, got me through LA rush hour traffic without doing my normal get lost for an hour. If you can afford it, it's worth it. I don't need gps much more than BB maps, but on road trips I will put in on for the trip.
    04-15-08 09:11 PM
  3. overmydeadberry's Avatar
    I use it... I have a tom tom but the darn thing dosent always get signal.... So I have vzn as a back up... And it's saved my buns on more then one occation...

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    04-15-08 09:23 PM
  4. jeffh's Avatar
    Also check out the recent comments in the GPS forum...
    04-15-08 09:29 PM
  5. John Yester's Avatar
    Looking forward to seeing the Nav 4 and what it has to show.
    04-15-08 09:37 PM
  6. JRSCCivic98's Avatar
    Everyone that buys into VZNav is the cause behind them locking down GPS and charging for it. Pat yourselves on the back please. Thanks in advance.
    04-15-08 10:46 PM
  7. SarahAnn's Avatar
    So your statement could be compared to saying that everyone who pays money for a Bentley is the reason that they charge so much for them.

    Not true at all. VZW would not lose any business if they gave it away for free. If you don't like paying for the Bently, dl Google Maps and use triangulation. That's like the Ford Escort of GPS. If you don't want to pay for GPS, quit being cheap and switch to a different carrier that offers it for free. $9.00 a month is pretty cheap compared to other monthly subscriptions of GPS.

    I get my VZNavigator for free because I was nice to them. I just called and let them know that I was going to switch carriers because of it. . .I already pay $100 a month. I got free VZN for the rest of my contract, but I was fully prepared to cancel on the spot and head over to ATT if they did not offer that option to me.
    04-16-08 03:15 PM
  8. JRSCCivic98's Avatar
    So your statement could be compared to saying that everyone who pays money for a Bentley is the reason that they charge so much for them.
    No, it can't be compared to that. That's a totally different aspect. Your argument for the amount a Bently costs could be mached up with how much Verizon should charge for the Blackberry itself, but not locking down a native feature of the phone in order to sell their own.

    It's been discussed before, but let me put in is "Bently" terms for you so you can comprehend. If we're to use that as an example, a similar situation to this would be a Bently dealer disabling traction control or another "native feature" of the car and charging the buyer to turn it back on, stating basically that the car does in fact not come with traction control from the factory, despite the fact that other Bently dealers don't do this or the fact that the factory blatantly states your new Bently most definatly comes with traction control when they release it to the dealer.
    04-16-08 07:35 PM
  9. waterfrontmgmt's Avatar
    Everyone that buys into VZNav is the cause behind them locking down GPS and charging for it. Pat yourselves on the back please. Thanks in advance.
    brilliant post! perhaps a lesson in economics is in order.

    its a verizon phone...it may be made by blackberry....but it's made for verizon. they can charge whatever they like. you can pay it or not. it's america.

    clue: you will always pay extra for verizon because they have the best network and they know it.

    fact: i don't have vznav and don't care to...unless i ever have a need for walking gps.
    04-16-08 07:56 PM
  10. chrisf's Avatar
    I have vznav because I drive as part of my job. It comes in handy for me. But I think that it is bs and borderline illegal because gps is supposed to be free. We all ready pay for it threw our taxes and they technical can only charge for there software (maps) but can not force you to use there software. That is the way I see it.
    Last edited by chrisf; 04-16-08 at 08:45 PM.
    04-16-08 08:08 PM
  11. JHASS's Avatar
    I use VZNAV and love it!!! And BTW I will pay the extra #10 a month its only .33 a day big deal. I know some people who buy 2 starbucks drinks a day and thats what $3.50+/drink and they don't even bat an eyelash. I figure if I get lost 2 times a month and have to backtrack a couple of miles it's worth it to get it right the FIRST time and use VZNAV instead of wasting gas
    04-17-08 12:11 AM
  12. xandrex#IM's Avatar
    No thanks. $10 a month is too much. If I was driving constantly to places I couldn't find, then yes, I would use it. But it's only good for me right now if I get lost, which is pretty rare. My town isn't THAT big.
    04-17-08 12:15 AM
  13. JHASS's Avatar
    I just moved to the town I live in now. So occasionally I want to drive to a business or a co-workers house and am lost as I am definitely directionally challenged. I wouldn't say I need it all the time but I like knowing if I need it, it's there waiting for me.
    04-17-08 12:37 AM
  14. GeekNJ's Avatar
    I agreee with a poster a couple replies up. It makes no sense that the hardware is crippled.

    I can understand Verizon charging $10 per month for VZ Navigator which is not unlike othe services. I've had GPS units since 2001 and it makes sense to pay for the maps which is essentially what Verizon provides.

    But the GPS itself is in the phone which I paid the same as any other customer would regardless of the provider.

    Yes, of course I know I can go with another provider. It isn't that big a deal. It's just annoying. I have a Bluetooth GPS I can use with the phone when I want (cost about $60) and it works fine, but it is another item which needs to be carried around, charged, etc.

    I would also think other software manufacturers like Garmin, etc would be looking to combine resources and challenge Verizon since it is impacting their business and excluding or at least severely limiting the sale to many Verizon customers.

    Verizon should sell their product based on the merits/value of the product vs the competition, not because you can't easily use another product.

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    04-17-08 07:08 AM
  15. JRSCCivic98's Avatar
    I agreee with a poster a couple replies up. It makes no sense that the hardware is crippled.

    I can understand Verizon charging $10 per month for VZ Navigator which is not unlike othe services. I've had GPS units since 2001 and it makes sense to pay for the maps which is essentially what Verizon provides.

    But the GPS itself is in the phone which I paid the same as any other customer would regardless of the provider.

    Yes, of course I know I can go with another provider. It isn't that big a deal. It's just annoying. I have a Bluetooth GPS I can use with the phone when I want (cost about $60) and it works fine, but it is another item which needs to be carried around, charged, etc.

    I would also think other software manufacturers like Garmin, etc would be looking to combine resources and challenge Verizon since it is impacting their business and excluding or at least severely limiting the sale to many Verizon customers.

    Verizon should sell their product based on the merits/value of the product vs the competition, not because you can't easily use another product.

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    This person gets it.... why doesn't everyone?
    04-17-08 09:38 AM
  16. waterfrontmgmt's Avatar
    Verizon should sell their product based on the merits/value of the product vs the competition, not because you can't easily use another product.
    most businesses sell on the basis of supply and demand. vzn is no different...in other words...they sell based on what price they can sell it for. if they price it to high, people don't buy it (or use the service in this case), the price will drop.

    so can you blame all the people that pay the fee for vznav for the actual fee? that's like me blaming all the people that have long commutes to work for gas being over $3 a gallon. so if you don't like paying $3 plus for gas, start walking to work.
    04-17-08 09:52 AM
  17. CaptnJim's Avatar
    I don't know how Verizon has the nerve to charge me for anything. I deserve it all for free.
    04-24-08 12:29 PM
  18. berry_nutty's Avatar
    Everyone that buys into VZNav is the cause behind them locking down GPS and charging for it. Pat yourselves on the back please. Thanks in advance.
    Principly, I disagree with VZ for locking down a manufacturer feature to sell you their own. I do agree with free enterprise and its their business decision to do so. They do so at the peril of losing opportunity (customers) and it seems that the rate of loss vs. the rate of return (revenue from VZN) is viable. Therefore in the business side of things, "good business decesion". As I wish I could be part of the solution and refuse to purchase the application, my choices are to go out and drop a couple of hundred plus on a GPS system, rent one with my rental car @ 12.95/day + tax or pay the $9.99/per month and expense it back to my company. The choice seems obvious to me. Since I fall into the category of "Everyone who uses VZN", I have to apologize, I am part of the problem. Please forgive me!
    Last edited by berry_nutty; 04-24-08 at 01:52 PM. Reason: typo's
    04-24-08 01:50 PM
  19. Delegator's Avatar
    I started using VZ Navigator last year when my my family drove from NH out to Wyoming for vacation. It did a great job along the entire route, including non-VZW coverage areas. The only place it got confused was in downtown Chicago, but that ended up being the fault of the mapping data providers -- I ran the same routes through mapquest, google maps, and yahoo maps, and they all gave the same incorrect directions.

    So, it's a good application. Is it worth $9.99/month? To me it is. Compare the $120/year cost against the cost of a good GPS and it will take at least 2 years, maybe 3 to pay off. Add in the automatic data updates, the fact that it's part of my BB and thus always with me, that it does voice turn-by-turn directions unlike, say, Google maps, and its integration with the rest of the BB apps (menu key on a contact, "Get Directions..."), and darn right it's worth it.

    Should Verizon require you to buy VZ Navigator in order to use the device GPS? That's their call. If you don't like it, go with another carrier. Fact is, there is a clear business plan by Verizon to spend their money on building out their network with the idea that the network is more important than the device. You are welcome to get the same hardware with more capabilities (wifi, unlocked GPS, UMA calling on a curve) from other carriers. If you aren't doing that then there must be a reason, hmmm?

    Maybe in a year or so as Verizon opens up their network based on the specs they're publishing, you'll be able to get any old CDMA BB with GPS and skip VZ Navigator.
    04-24-08 02:57 PM
  20. GeekNJ's Avatar
    Should Verizon require you to buy VZ Navigator in order to use the device GPS? That's their call. If you don't like it, go with another carrier. Fact is, there is a clear business plan by Verizon to spend their money on building out their network with the idea that the network is more important than the device. You are welcome to get the same hardware with more capabilities (wifi, unlocked GPS, UMA calling on a curve) from other carriers. If you aren't doing that then there must be a reason, hmmm?
    It's pretty tiring to hear the same "switch carrier" reply. Of course, we ALL KNOW we can switch carriers (when our contracts are up). And no one is necessarily saying that $10/mo for VZ Navigator isn't a valid cost. VZ Navigator is software, not hardware. The device you purchased is the HW. You paid for it. It comes with a built in GPS. We shouldn't need to spend $10/mo to enable a function on the device we already paid for and Verizon intentionally disabled.

    I'm not sure why "Verizon's business plan of building out their network" has anything to do with charging for their GPS. I think you went off on a tangent.

    There's NO COST to Verizon to enable the GPS on the device. There are also free alternatives such as Nav4All and amAze which are full blown routing/voice navigation solutions. I can use them with my bluetooth GPS puck on the same device. So Verizon actually caused me to spend $50 on a BT GPS puck to run whatever software I want on my device, which I paid for, since they won't enable the GPS.

    Yeah, I could go to another provider and take my entire family with me so *I* can use the GPS I paid for. That makes sense. It's not that big a deal, but it's an annoyance, and inconvenience and an additional expense we shouldn't have to pay for.

    To put it in non-cell phone terms, it's the equivalent of buying a Chevy Tahoe that comes with XM Radio and having to pay Chevy to enable the XM radio so you could then pay for your monthly service. You've already paid for the XM radio when you purchased/leased your vehicle just as we've done with the BB. Why should I again pay to enable a feature in the device, which is already purchased by me, so I can use Verizon or someone else's software? Get it?

    I have the following GPS units currently active - Garmin 76CS handheld used for car navigation and geocaching. I have a built-in GPS in a newer Suburban. I have a BT GPS that I use with my Blackberry phone because Verizon doesn't allow me to use the one in the device. I use GPS units but I don't want to pay $120/yr for another one. That's just silly.
    04-24-08 03:34 PM
  21. Delegator's Avatar
    I think a better analogy would be something like asking a laptop or PC maker to sell you the system without an operating system. You want to use the hardware that they sell without the software they want to provide. Go ahead and try to find that out there in the market.

    I'm not sure why "Verizon's business plan of building out their network" has anything to do with charging for their GPS. I think you went off on a tangent.
    I'll be more clear, then. Verizon's strategy is to say "it's the network." They trail behind others such as AT&T by refusing to pay for exclusive iPhone contracts, by trailing GSM companies by a year in Blackberry Curve availability, by offering wifi only on Windows Mobile devices. They are not trying to compete by having the most advanced or capable hardware, but rather by having the best coverage and at least tied for best in network speed.

    I think it's an absolutely conscious and explicit decision that they want to recoup their network build-out costs by charging for capabilities such as GPS, by trying to get people to use VCast, and so on.

    Conversely, AT&T is trying to attract customers by having "good enough" network but spiffier devices. They want to attract you by providing a phone that has GPS unlocked, or a pearl 8120 with wifi. That works for some people, but for me it's more important that I be able to get a signal when I'm skiing in the mountains of NH.

    So, I think there most certainly is a connection between their business strategy and the capability of the devices they offer.
    04-24-08 04:29 PM
  22. slim409's Avatar
    ok I'll admit that I use VZ Navigator. I had it on my non BB phones and I liked it. I have it on my 8830 now. I have the lowest calling plan so I can afford to have it. I use it all the time so I guess that makes it worth it.
    04-24-08 04:38 PM
  23. GeekNJ's Avatar
    I think a better analogy would be something like asking a laptop or PC maker to sell you the system without an operating system. You want to use the hardware that they sell without the software they want to provide. Go ahead and try to find that out there in the market.
    Using your example, it would be like buying a DELL computer that comes with a built-in Ethernet card and having to pay DELL extra in order to use the Internet with ANY provider. Imagine calling up DELL support and saying you know there's an Ethernet jack in your PC, but you can't seem to get your OS to use it. Then DELL customer service says, for $10/mo we can enable the Ethernet card that is in the computer you purchased.
    04-24-08 05:32 PM
  24. GeekNJ's Avatar
    I think it's an absolutely conscious and explicit decision that they want to recoup their network build-out costs by charging for capabilities such as GPS, by trying to get people to use VCast, and so on.
    GPS doesn't need to use "the network". An application can use the network such as VZ Navigator, and there paying $10/mo is a decision a consumer could make. There's other service providers such as Garmin & Telenav which charge $10/mo for a similar service to what VZ Navigator provides. In addition, there's similar solutions which at this time cost nothing. But the HW GPS in the device, which you own and purchased with your phone, is crippled by Verizon, without any regard for "the network".
    04-24-08 05:35 PM
  25. JRSCCivic98's Avatar
    Yeah, GeekNJ, it seems a lot of people can't actually wrap their minds around this problem. This is why Verizon can get away with telling the FCC when they inquire about this issue some BS and the FCC just nods and calls it a day. Uneducated people is what makes big business money... plain and simple. The less a consumer knows about the inter workings of a product the better the company selling it stands at making more money off of it.

    Take for example something as simple as a Subaru WRX Wagon and a Saab 92X. It's the same car, the Saab just has different bumpers and hood, that's it, yet it costs more then the Subaru. It's funny when you tell someone it's a Subaru product and watch their eyes water because they can no longer be yuppies.

    The moral of the story, a large percentage of the general public doesn't research the stuff they buy and therefor will most likely get taken by the company selling it. It's sad, but true. It really should be illegal though. I wish US cell companies would just do what the Euros do... sell unlocked phone. Sure, it would be a bit more expensive (probably be paying retail prices) instead of the "discount" you get now with carriers, but it would be worth it to have all the manufacturer features untouched on these devices.
    04-24-08 05:51 PM
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