11-27-10 07:53 PM
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  1. debsbb's Avatar
    Welll said my friend!!!!!! they would have to at least have the torch available by july or im leaving to a cheaper alternative...

    its really a shame, upgrade to an old bold or leave bb for a fascinate .. smh smh smh .. some way to keep customers .
    Thank you for agreeing w/me. Obviously every provider is not going to sell every phone although I'm sure since they all have websites. If they can't stock them all in their stores they could offer them online and this would make *everyone* at *every* provider happy. I think it's nuts for any phone manufacturer to only make GSM or CDMA (whatever that's called) they should all make both varieties. You'd think if nothing else they themselves would make more $ that way.

    How hard can it be? You either put GSM innards in the phone or you put CDMA innards in it. Seems simple enough to me, although I will admit I'm no phone mechanic or electronics wizard. Common sense tells me if you can put pepper in the salt shaker you can put salt in the pepper shaker - shame principal. Car engines can be swapped out ... do I need to continue w/the comparisons? I don't think so.

    I doubt I'll hold out until July. We can upgrade now, but I'm waiting things out until Xmas and holding my breath. SOMETHING has to come up ... whether it's a Torch or something very similar. Doesn't it?

    I would prolly buy the Motorola Spice if it ever re-appeared cuz it's very much like the Torch. I don't want a Palm, had that and didn't like it. If AT&T provided better coverage/service I'd have jumped the fence and run over there the day the Torch was released if I'd have known it was going to take this long to get it on VZW and still don't even know if they'll ever get it or the Spice.
    11-24-10 03:03 AM
  2. the_sandman_454's Avatar
    Thank you for agreeing w/me. Obviously every provider is not going to sell every phone although I'm sure since they all have websites. If they can't stock them all in their stores they could offer them online and this would make *everyone* at *every* provider happy. I think it's nuts for any phone manufacturer to only make GSM or CDMA (whatever that's called) they should all make both varieties. You'd think if nothing else they themselves would make more $ that way.

    How hard can it be? You either put GSM innards in the phone or you put CDMA innards in it. Seems simple enough to me, although I will admit I'm no phone mechanic or electronics wizard. Common sense tells me if you can put pepper in the salt shaker you can put salt in the pepper shaker - shame principal. Car engines can be swapped out ... do I need to continue w/the comparisons? I don't think so.

    I doubt I'll hold out until July. We can upgrade now, but I'm waiting things out until Xmas and holding my breath. SOMETHING has to come up ... whether it's a Torch or something very similar. Doesn't it?

    I would prolly buy the Motorola Spice if it ever re-appeared cuz it's very much like the Torch. I don't want a Palm, had that and didn't like it. If AT&T provided better coverage/service I'd have jumped the fence and run over there the day the Torch was released if I'd have known it was going to take this long to get it on VZW and still don't even know if they'll ever get it or the Spice.
    Sadly, the vast majority of the world does not use CDMA, they use GSM, and RIM is going to produce devices for the world market (GSM carriers) before ever worrying about CDMA devices unless a CDMA carrier specifically asks/requests it.

    It is not as if they've just got a CDMA chipset/board/radio just lying around to throw into a Torch case/housing and go. The entire thing needs to be designed, not quite from scratch but close if they're going to give it better specs than the Bold. Then there's the matter of making OS6 available for the CDMA device. It does represent a fair amount of R&D to try to get a CDMA device to market, as the housing/form factor is the easy part.

    Fair? Well it's their right to produce whatever device they want to. If they don't care about their market share on CDMA carriers as much, that is their right also.

    Rogers is a Canadian GSM carrier isn't it? The ATT exclusivity isn't world wide, it is just in the US.

    Also I saw folks talking about the idea that Torch isn't a high end device. To clarify: compared to anything else on the market spec wise, Torch isn't among the high end performance devices. Torch is, however RIM's top of the line/high end device. It depends on your perspective when it comes to that.
    Last edited by the_sandman_454; 11-24-10 at 05:11 AM.
    11-24-10 05:04 AM
  3. debsbb's Avatar
    SuperMario, that was uncalled for.
    She was simply venting over the lack of new phones on VERIZON. The last few BB's Vz has released are basically upgrades. The curve 9330, although 3g and WiFi enabled, is still a curve. The Torch has both touch and qwerty. I want one too, but won't leave Verizon.
    Your reply was long and posted very early this morning. Maybe you need to get some coffee and turn your computer OFF.
    Thank you, Joan006 ... SuperMario and I seem to have a personality (or something?) clash so I'll just try to live w/that. Nobody likes and/or agrees with everybody, just the way it goes. I also noticed there is quite a bit of "attitude" on these boards.

    I appreciate you standing up for me, thanks.

    You're correct about the phones. I'm very picky when it comes to my phone and if anyone finds that to be a bad thing, oh well. If VZW had a phone I liked I would have upgraded but I thought I'd already made that clear. Guess not, heh?
    Last edited by debsbb; 11-25-10 at 10:33 AM.
    11-25-10 10:30 AM
  4. newsome's Avatar
    Why do you think I no longer believe that the Torch is an exclusive phone made w/some deal between AT&T and RIM? If that's the case then how the heck did Rogers get it?
    AT&T paid part of the development costs of the phone, and they have an exclusive in the U.S. Rogers is Canadian. They didn't pay for the Torch just to have RIM hand it over to their biggest competitor. I don't know how long the exclusivity lasts, but I would guess a year at least. The Storm is a Verizon exclusive and it's never been on AT&T, and it's been out what... 2.... 3 years?
    11-25-10 11:49 AM
  5. Super_Mario's Avatar
    AT&T paid part of the development costs of the phone, and they have an exclusive in the U.S. Rogers is Canadian. They didn't pay for the Torch just to have RIM hand it over to their biggest competitor. I don't know how long the exclusivity lasts, but I would guess a year at least. The Storm is a Verizon exclusive and it's never been on AT&T, and it's been out what... 2.... 3 years?
    This is what I have been trying to explain to this broad. Don't waste your time trying to explain this to her. She has her mind made up that anybody can just get a cell phone and "take out the GSM parts and put in the CDMA parts". Not the brightest crayon in the box...
    11-25-10 11:59 PM
  6. daynite's Avatar
    I second that!!!! Hopefully it is because they want the other carriers to "work out the kinks" first. Everyone knows from coat to coast verizon is the most reliable service. They pride themselves on their own product, not the phones. I can appreciate that yet, it is very frustrating. When the first iphone came out, I switched to at&t. Not long after I switched back to verizon and blackberry. I hated at&t's service. Not to mention, a few months after I got my iphone, sure enough, an upgrade came out!



    I don't know either, but I sure would like to. Just today I was watching tv and an AT&T commercial came on with yet ANOTHER new phone. I don't know what Verizon's problem is but I'm real sick and tired of other providers getting new phones and VZW not. Sick of the speculation and rumors and "wait for this" and "wait for that." I'm normally a pretty darn patient person but even I've about run out.

    I need to replace my Storm1 and I'm not going to do that until I can get a phone I *really* like. At this point there isn't another BB or Droid I want and I've been keeping watch on new phones for about 3mos now and real tired of it.

    There are two phones I'm interested in, the Torch which although some say will *never* come to VZW because it's an AT&T phone contract etc. You can't tell me they can't make a very similar phone, call it something else and make it available on other services. I no longer believe it's an AT&T/RIM contractual thing either because other networks have it in other countries.

    The other one is the Motorola Slice which 4-6wks or so ago was rumored to come out and now doesn't even seem to be on the Motorola or Phone Scoop sites anymore.

    I don't see why providers feel it's necessary to make their new/upcoming phones and *approximately* when they'll be available such a big secret. They're phones for cripes sake - not special ops government missiles.
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    11-26-10 11:35 AM
  7. daynite's Avatar
    That's interesting! Thanks for the timeline. I'm confused why they updated rhe curve though the 8530 is 3g. What else is different??



    QUOTE=supermario28;5799441]I don't drink coffee. Thanks though.



    That's exactly my point. No other manufacturer seems to have issues with producing phones that VzW will sell, except RIM. Here's a time-line of the "quickness" of BB launches/

    Apr 2007- BB World Edition 8830, the first global capable BB for VzW, focused mostly on the business user, with no camera and large keyboard for messaging.

    Aug 2007- BB Pearl 8130, the first launch of a phone focused on the regular consumer, with a smaller size and camera option but no world capabilities.

    Feb 2008- BB Curve 8330, released months after other carriers had this phone, this was the consumer/business user BB released. I believe this phone launched BB into the consumer market, making BB a highly loved and used smartphone (at the time).

    Nov 2008- BB Storm 9530, VzW exclusive first touch-screen BB with global capabilities. (So far, 19 months away from the last global phone.)

    July 2009- BB Tour 9630, the follow-up to the WE Blackberry, highly anticipated. Thought to be the CDMA version of the Bold series at the time. (so far 9 months away after the release of the Storm and 27 months after the release of the WE)

    Nov 2009- BB Storm 2 9550, the updated and dubbed "what the Storm should have been" phone with improved hardware and brought along 5.0.

    Nov 2009- BB Curve 2 8530, the updated version of the highly loved phone, brought several color options, no camera flash. A dumbed down version of the original IMO.

    June 2010- BB Pearl Flip, clamshell style BB with Pearl style keyboard. Needs an episode of "Where are they Now". over shadowed by...

    June 2010- BB Bold 9650, first trackpad offered phone, global capable, better memory and specs all around. Proud participant in BoldGate 2010. (released 11 months after the Tour)

    Sept 2010- BB Curve 3G, actually this is exactly like the Curve 2 except it will be OS 6 capable; comes in new colors too.

    So if history teaches us anything, we still have some time before we will see another Global device from RIM (about another 5-7 months) as well as another consumer device (about another 7-9 months)

    Might as well get used to waiting, that's all we have done before. Only Android has produced so many devices in such a short time, but that's mostly because it's a multi-manufacturer OS.[/QUOTE]

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    11-26-10 11:45 AM
  8. Super_Mario's Avatar
    The reason it was updated was for more memory, it will now support OS6.

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    11-26-10 12:16 PM
  9. the_sandman_454's Avatar
    The reason it was updated was for more memory, it will now support OS6.

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    And the 9330 Curve is the first EVDO Rev A capable Curve there has been. The two Curve models that came before it were both EVDO Rev 0, a technology standard that was superseded by Rev A sometime in 2008 as I recall. Even dumb phones were Rev A while the 8330 was still early in its' life cycle.
    11-26-10 12:26 PM
  10. ThePinkChameleon's Avatar
    I don't see why providers feel it's necessary to make their new/upcoming phones and *approximately* when they'll be available such a big secret. They're phones for cripes sake - not special ops government missiles.
    I agree! I was LOL'ing when i read that part!
    11-27-10 07:53 PM
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