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  1. larrygump's Avatar
    I figured I'de start a new thread.....

    I would just love to hear from folks who support......the FCC just plain hammering VZW....

    I gotta admit....so many....the majority in fact love to watch the FCC just beat VZW into the muck......and I mean spank

    I tell ya......this is awesome.....so now all the VZW fanboi's and VZW fanboi mods can chime in or delete this or whatever ridiculous action they wanna take.....cuz you know......crackberry forums are real life....ahahahahahaha
    12-24-09 10:29 PM
  2. Super_Mario's Avatar
    Whatever floats your boat buddy.....
    12-24-09 10:38 PM
  3. i7guy's Avatar
    Verizon clearly needs to be spanked in a two areas:

    - phantom 1.99 line items on bills
    - the fact they charge to download to download subscription brew apps

    The ETF fee is none of the governments business. Verizon should require an ETF on the smartphone data plan as well.

    You lease a car and break the contract, your credit score takes a huge hit as well as other repercussions, possibly legal. Why should Verizon Wireless conduct their business model any differently?
    12-24-09 10:41 PM
  4. wantingtoknow's Avatar
    The OP just likes to stir up trouble.

    http: // portsmouthpolitics. blogspot. com/

    He has a history of posts being deleted on other places where he posts.
    12-24-09 10:47 PM
  5. larrygump's Avatar
    ahahahahahaha I do?.........where


    waitttttttttt a minute........you havent posted since 10/08......you came out of hiding just for me?........awwwwwww thanks
    Last edited by larrygump; 12-24-09 at 10:57 PM.
    12-24-09 10:54 PM
  6. larrygump's Avatar
    oh and I had to ask.....cuz you know.....your so witty and sleuth-y......how long did it take you to google my name.......wow

    posting under your real name........try it sometime.....its called standing behind what you say
    Last edited by larrygump; 12-24-09 at 11:01 PM.
    12-24-09 10:59 PM
  7. gotblackberry's Avatar
    I fail to see how VzW is getting spanked at all. They're getting questioned, they're not going to change it.
    12-25-09 01:22 AM
  8. Super_Mario's Avatar
    I fail to see how VzW is getting spanked at all. They're getting questioned, they're not going to change it.
    I wouldnt' bother, this is his.....you know......his thing.
    12-25-09 01:42 AM
  9. tsguy52's Avatar
    Did any of you vzw haters see the response by Verizon Wireless? Looks like they proved their case to the FCC, who would rather send a letter than actually take 5 min to look up the information.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    12-25-09 09:10 AM
  10. mjbesen310's Avatar
    Did any of you vzw haters see the response by Verizon Wireless? Looks like they proved their case to the FCC, who would rather send a letter than actually take 5 min to look up the information.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    seriously.. people need to do there homework before they post nonesense. Seems like the OP needs to get a life
    12-25-09 10:44 AM
  11. i7guy's Avatar
    seriously.. people need to do there homework before they post nonesense. Seems like the OP needs to get a life
    Threads like this make me want to go out and get another blackberry on a new line.
    12-25-09 11:19 AM
  12. efn77mx's Avatar
    Through the multi-fru process, my contract end date is now reset and more than likely I'm now under that new ETF policy of theirs. But like I told the Verizon rep...."I'm not going anywhere..." so whatever.
    12-25-09 11:47 AM
  13. jlsparks's Avatar
    Unless the OP is privy to some confidential information the rest of us aren't, VZW isn't being "spanked" by anyone. FCC is conducting an inquiry on two fronts, which we're all well aware of. Worst case scenario for VZW: they change the advanced device ETF back to $175. Anyone who signed up since 11/15/09 to the date they revert to the $175 ETF, and who has cancelled in the interim (which would be a very, very, very small number), would receive a pro-rata credit for what they may have overpaid. The other issue is a red herring IMO. Confirm means confirm. I haven't used any VZW product that hasn't required my confirmation prior to activation, including VZAM. Again, if VZW ends up relenting on this then the 100 or so folks who were charged $1.99 will see a credit.

    FCC will close the matter, and move on to the next.

    The OP fails to recognize a reality that's important to understand: since at least 2006, and likely earlier, FCC was issuing public statements expressing their "concern" about carrier ETFs (I recall one in particular aimed at AT&T/Cingular Wireless.) This is not a new line of inquiry for FCC. VZW simply waves the red flag in front of them by increasing ETFs on advanced devices.

    Anyway, @OP: nice effort to spin reality. But you fail. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Merry Christmas.
    12-25-09 12:12 PM
  14. larrygump's Avatar
    I fail to see how VzW is getting spanked at all. They're getting questioned, they're not going to change it.
    #1 yes they are being "spanked"......

    #2 I guarantee they change it.......ahahahahaha
    12-25-09 12:36 PM
  15. larrygump's Avatar
    Threads like this make me want to go out and get another blackberry on a new line.
    DO IT!!!!! and enjoy those outages......
    12-25-09 12:37 PM
  16. larrygump's Avatar
    Unless the OP is privy to some confidential information the rest of us aren't, VZW isn't being "spanked" by anyone. FCC is conducting an inquiry on two fronts, which we're all well aware of. Worst case scenario for VZW: they change the advanced device ETF back to $175. Anyone who signed up since 11/15/09 to the date they revert to the $175 ETF, and who has cancelled in the interim (which would be a very, very, very small number), would receive a pro-rata credit for what they may have overpaid. The other issue is a red herring IMO. Confirm means confirm. I haven't used any VZW product that hasn't required my confirmation prior to activation, including VZAM. Again, if VZW ends up relenting on this then the 100 or so folks who were charged $1.99 will see a credit.

    FCC will close the matter, and move on to the next.

    The OP fails to recognize a reality that's important to understand: since at least 2006, and likely earlier, FCC was issuing public statements expressing their "concern" about carrier ETFs (I recall one in particular aimed at AT&T/Cingular Wireless.) This is not a new line of inquiry for FCC. VZW simply waves the red flag in front of them by increasing ETFs on advanced devices.

    Anyway, @OP: nice effort to spin reality. But you fail. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Merry Christmas.
    no confidential info......im just another opinion.....but if you read consumerist . com youll see the reply and clearly the fcc threw the BS flag on VZW and tells VZW they look forward to continuing this after the new year


    now remember folks this is the same VZW that opposes net neutrality.....and is pro metered data....as is my beloved att.......
    12-25-09 12:39 PM
  17. larrygump's Avatar
    seriously.. people need to do there homework before they post nonesense. Seems like the OP needs to get a life
    whats it like to be so brand centered that you don't know where you begin and IT ends.....Ill bet your like that guy that gets crack berry tattooed on his leg.....do you read anything except these forums?

    WSJ?
    Times
    Fox
    CNN

    virtually everyone outside of crackberry is disgusted with VZW....moreover im seeing more and more threads here where die hard vzw fanboi's are turning on VZW........

    are you that disconnected that you support a corporations dirty practices over the little guy......oh thats right your a "capitalist"?......I think you mean you support a plutocracy!

    and for the record there has never been a socialist society to date.....and clearly capitalism is failing.....capitalism was never for the working class.....which I am......and I guess many of you are not...i dunno....but I cant figure how in gods name if you are ....you could support a policy of high ETF's that are clearly the basis of anti competition and are not pro consumer
    12-25-09 12:45 PM
  18. larrygump's Avatar
    Champions of capitalism and free enterprise never tire of holding a few of the Horatio Algers among us before our admiring and desiring eyes as examples of what one can accomplish within our economic system if only one studies, works hard, and is enterprising. This is akin to a Las Vegas gambling houses ringing of bells and sounding of sirens whenever a gambler wins big time. It motivates all of the losers to keep pulling the handles on the slot machines, rolling the dice, and plunking chips down on the card tables. And Horatio Algers paraded in the limelight motivate all of the little people under capitalism to keep putting one foot in front of the other, to continue working for the man, and to continue striving for or at least dreaming about that big break. We all know that capitalism produces some big winners, but less obvious and not advertised is that it must, of necessity, produce many losers to keep the wheels of the system turning. Oh, as pointed out before, everybody wins a little bit compared to living in the wilds. But laissez-faire capitalism is a system that definitely has a seedy underbelly to play down and hide. We can, we should, and some day we will do better.

    As discussed earlier, the ideals of communism and socialism were born of the horrendous conditions created by unrestrained plutocracy and capitalism. But, as we all know, these systems produce even worse results. The ruthless few reign as an over-class in an all-powerful state which imprisons and oppresses everyone. Freedom and the motivation to create and produce become destroyed. In the end, communist and socialist nations remain poor compared to the great wealth created under capitalism.

    Capitalist purists argue against any mitigation of the means or the results of capitalism. To them not only are communism and socialism horrors, but so is any interference of capitalism by government, particularly government redistribution of wealth via taxation and spending.

    The purists arguments are dishonest in two ways. First, by its laws and rules and by the presence and use of its military and police forces, government creates and protects the means by which wealth is accumulated and protects the accumulations themselves. Such accumulations are not natural. They are not merely the result of the intelligence, talent, education, entrepreneurship, or even the sheer brute strength of wealthy individuals. They are not a product of nature but the result of the artificial meansgovernment, laws, military, police, etc.that we create to produce the result. At one time the wealthiest person in the world possessed 100 billion dollars. Can you envision one monkey sitting upon a pile of 100 billion bananas trying to protect them from the other monkeys? What do you think all of the other monkeys would do? But this unnatural set of conditions created by our artificial means is exactly the view embraced by capitalist purists. While government may work for the wealthy and make possible the accumulation of wealth in the first place, it may not help labor or the poor.

    Second, capitalists conveniently overlook the fact that any redistribution of wealth by government is really only a secondary, corrective redistribution. The first redistribution of wealth takes place within capitalism itself when business owners, managers, etc. take onto themselves an undue portion of the fruit of everyone elses labor. Capitalists always sing the praises of capitalism in its creation of wealth but always play down its unjust redistribution of that wealth. Those who most benefit from the much larger but less visible redistribution under capitalism point to the much smaller but more visible redistribution by government and scream bloody murder.

    thanks to Free book: Beyond Plutocracy - Direct Democracy for America, Home/Table of Contents
    Last edited by larrygump; 12-25-09 at 02:40 PM.
    12-25-09 01:35 PM
  19. wantingtoknow's Avatar
    oh and I had to ask.....cuz you know.....your so witty and sleuth-y......how long did it take you to google my name.......wow
    FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I didn't have to Google your name.

    I know you.


    FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    12-25-09 01:45 PM
  20. larrygump's Avatar
    I'm trying to figure out the significance ?.........and you are trying to?.......ROFL.....FAIL?


    crawl back under your rock ...

    YOU...............FAIL......and if you know me dont hide....
    Last edited by larrygump; 12-25-09 at 03:28 PM.
    12-25-09 02:38 PM
  21. tsguy52's Avatar
    Twins leaves and LarryGump starts up.. makes me wonder..

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    12-25-09 06:21 PM
  22. mjbesen310's Avatar
    Twins leaves and LarryGump starts up.. makes me wonder..

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    yep.. I know what you mean...

    the Ignore works great on this forum, I suggest everyone just put Larrylump on ignore as I did and he vanishes to never be heard from ever agai nfor the rest of my life in a single click of the ignore button!
    12-25-09 06:27 PM
  23. i7guy's Avatar
    whats it like to be so brand centered that you don't know where you begin and IT ends.....Ill bet your like that guy that gets crack berry tattooed on his leg.....do you read anything except these forums?

    WSJ?
    Times
    Fox
    CNN

    virtually everyone outside of crackberry is disgusted with VZW....moreover im seeing more and more threads here where die hard vzw fanboi's are turning on VZW........

    are you that disconnected that you support a corporations dirty practices over the little guy......oh thats right your a "capitalist"?......I think you mean you support a plutocracy!

    and for the record there has never been a socialist society to date.....and clearly capitalism is failing.....capitalism was never for the working class.....which I am......and I guess many of you are not...i dunno....but I cant figure how in gods name if you are ....you could support a policy of high ETF's that are clearly the basis of anti competition and are not pro consumer
    Who is disgusted with VZW? Not I. You don't like the ETF, buy the phone retail or better yet stay with ATT. Where is your given right to get a phone for nothing, agree to a service for a length of time and then crib about the fee for breaking the contract. You live in la-la-land if you think you can get away with your mortgage or car lease doing this. Your type is always the same, something for nothing and let the rich pay for it. I applaud the fact you serve in a dangerous capacity, but hate the type of let the government tell private enterprise how to run their business. Maybe you can use your given talents and become one of the bourgiose instead of cribbing about supposed anti-competitive VZW policies.
    12-25-09 08:51 PM
  24. richs10's Avatar
    Oy vey!

    I used to enjoy reading an inane thread once in a while but I guess I'm getting old.
    12-25-09 11:40 PM
  25. larrygump's Avatar
    whats empty about discussing anti competitive practices?


    oh and I had to add that what kills me is that those of you so staunchly fighting FOR VZW probably would have argued against the big bell breakup......

    which would have put you squarely against the majority of Americans.....but heck I guess your next argument will be what do Americans really know right?.....after all you few crackberryians have ALL the answers you doctors of law that you all are.......at least I admit Im just a stupid opinion....some of you actually fancy yourself subject matter experts apparently.......ROFL
    12-25-09 11:49 PM
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