02-25-09 06:10 PM
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  1. lastraid's Avatar
    So for $250 are all the calls I make on the device 'free' of airtime charges? I mean I am routing the call to VZ (backbone) and am not using a channel on one of their towers (femtocell). Or will they insist on deducting the calls I make on the device I bought and routed on my cable modem from my monthly 'airtime' minutes??
    All calling plan rules apply for use of minutes with this device.
    01-26-09 05:32 PM
  2. rwking's Avatar
    250$ is a rip off, since Sprint is offering the same exact device (different colors) for 100$, 250$ verizon's need to have EVDO or something.

    But that Verizon for you! Always taking Advantage of People even in a recession/depression

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    Sorry you feel this way Lenny. But the reason why Sprint charges $100 and VZW $250 is because Sprint has to put out a cheap product. You get what you pay for. They are willing to do about anything to stay in business. They drop the cost of their plans and equipment but yet still losing customers at an alarming rate. Now why do you think that is while VZW and ATT still gain every quarter? It's not called bad business, we're just better businesses with a better product.

    VZW has the most advanced network in the country. And the extra money that you feel we are ripping you off of we are putting back into the network. Those 250 towers we setup last year is a start. You, the customer, reap those benefits. But the prob is that we can not always promise that our signal will get into your house. The structure, the windows, your household electronics may prevent that from happening. So yes, we offer a $250 femtocell to correct that so that you can continue using America's Most Reliable Network.

    Or you can pay $100 on a network that may not work outside of your house.
    01-26-09 10:01 PM
  3. lennyj17's Avatar
    ^^^^^Let's not be mindless Kool Aid Drinkers Ok!

    Think with you're brain and Not Verizon's for just a second....

    Verizon and Sprint's Femtocell are exactly the same, nothing is different, so they're not paying Samsung any more the Sprint is paying the...So why Gouge people for an extra 150$ for the same device....

    I understand its Verizon and just having the name some people will shell out there last dollar to be associated with them....

    But come on - cut people a break, this thing is only worth 100$ NO MORE.
    01-27-09 10:15 AM
  4. stengen's Avatar
    My Dad needs one of these!
    01-27-09 11:06 AM
  5. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    It may only be worth $100, but I'd bet it costs much more than that on the wholesale level. The CDMA transmitter isn't cheap.

    VZW is marketing theirs as a solution for structure issues within their vast service area.
    Sprint is marketing theirs as a solution to expand their much smaller service area and to retain customers.

    Because of this, I can envision Sprint subsidizing their device, while VZW doesn't see a need to.

    If you don't like the cost, don't buy one.

    Socialism is where someone tells you how much you can make for profit. Don't fall into the trap of condemning a company for their profit. If the market doesn't like the price, they will go elsewhere.

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    01-27-09 04:07 PM
  6. vatothe0's Avatar
    Verizon is not in the business of wireless service to try to make a profit off network extenders. It is priced as competitively as possible.

    Even if Verizon sold 10,000 of them, the extra $150 each would only add up to $1.5M which isn't worth "gouging" customers and making it harder to use the service they actually make a profit on.

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    01-27-09 05:42 PM
  7. lastraid's Avatar
    I actually sold a unit to cusotmer who lives just outside of shown coverage. He lives two miles from a tower and cannot make calls with in his house. He walks outside and 20 feet up a hill and gets full bars. Hmmm, I think this is great solution for this customer. This is after he spent $1200 for pole antenna and amplifier, only to find the antenna is bad. He was thrilled with this option to better his signal at a reduced cost
    01-28-09 08:55 PM
  8. ematuzsan's Avatar
    From what I have heard, there also will be a unit for larger areas that will cover 50K sq feet.
    it will be 5k not 50 sq ft.
    01-29-09 10:53 PM
  9. lastraid's Avatar
    the small on is 5k yes, but there will be business one coming as well. 50K
    01-29-09 11:04 PM
  10. lastraid's Avatar
    Just an update! I have been teching this device now for two days and the cusomters that have gotten one have really been impressed. Had a lady yesterday that in her house barely got 1 bar if signal. The device kicked in and now she has 4 full bars

    After reading up again this device is NOT reccommended for a Satellite hook up. IE Hughes.net
    02-03-09 11:15 AM
  11. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    I've not gotten a chance to look into this particulat device yet. Is it voice only or will it handle data, too?

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    02-03-09 12:10 PM
  12. lastraid's Avatar
    Handles voice and 1X data only. So BB devices will browse and get email, just a bit slower
    02-03-09 01:03 PM
  13. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Cool. This will work out well for me, especially after I steal the kids' T-Mobile phones & replace them with VZW.

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    02-03-09 04:33 PM
  14. lastraid's Avatar
    Here is a link for the network extender. FAQ's about the device and how it works

    Answers to FAQs
    02-03-09 06:14 PM
  15. Realestatepro's Avatar
    i think this is a great device and will help alot of people... i for one have no need for it as i have full signal strength in my home, office, and surrounding areas however their are several townhome and condo communities that i have recently sold homes in that when i enter these buildings i loose signal...and as a result experience dropped calls...i think for these people this will be an awesome solution to ensure service inside these structures that otherwise would not be possible...

    however i do agree that 250.00 is a little on the high side of the pricing scale as in the end this it's only ensuring that verizons service works to its highest potential....

    I hate to be snotty, but if i was one of the many individuals that are paying for a monthly service in an area that is a dead zone... i feel that verizon should have some kind of rebate, and or better pricing for those individuals as its only making those customers happier and ensuring their loyalty...thus creating a much longer customer retention rate and increasing revenue amoungst those individuals that in other cercumstances would go elsewhere....
    02-03-09 06:45 PM
  16. lastraid's Avatar
    i think this is a great device and will help alot of people... i for one have no need for it as i have full signal strength in my home, office, and surrounding areas however their are several townhome and condo communities that i have recently sold homes in that when i enter these buildings i loose signal...and as a result experience dropped calls...i think for these people this will be an awesome solution to ensure service inside these structures that otherwise would not be possible...

    however i do agree that 250.00 is a little on the high side of the pricing scale as in the end this it's only ensuring that verizons service works to its highest potential....

    I hate to be snotty, but if i was one of the many individuals that are paying for a monthly service in an area that is a dead zone... i feel that verizon should have some kind of rebate, and or better pricing for those individuals as its only making those customers happier and ensuring their loyalty...thus creating a much longer customer retention rate and increasing revenue amoungst those individuals that in other cercumstances would go elsewhere....
    If you are spending at least 79.98 per month for at least 3 months, there is a $50 discount
    02-03-09 07:33 PM
  17. Froghair's Avatar
    For those who might care, I'm with Sprint and got their femtocell ("Airave") for free and so have quite a few other customers. I have good Sprint reception virtually everywhere I go, except home, and the Airave works beautifully at home. I immediately went from 1-2 bars typcially to 5-6 bars.
    02-03-09 08:56 PM
  18. Dementius's Avatar
    i think this is a great device and will help alot of people... i for one have no need for it as i have full signal strength in my home, office, and surrounding areas however their are several townhome and condo communities that i have recently sold homes in that when i enter these buildings i loose signal...and as a result experience dropped calls...i think for these people this will be an awesome solution to ensure service inside these structures that otherwise would not be possible...

    however i do agree that 250.00 is a little on the high side of the pricing scale as in the end this it's only ensuring that verizons service works to its highest potential....

    I hate to be snotty, but if i was one of the many individuals that are paying for a monthly service in an area that is a dead zone... i feel that verizon should have some kind of rebate, and or better pricing for those individuals as its only making those customers happier and ensuring their loyalty...thus creating a much longer customer retention rate and increasing revenue amoungst those individuals that in other cercumstances would go elsewhere....
    I personally know of a few customers now in areas where there is absolutely no cell signal for them and trust me, for those customers the $199-249 (depending on their price plan) is wellll worth it for them to have service where it was before unavailable (due to valleys, low population areas, etc). Kudos to VZW for not charging a monthly fee in addition as many people (including a number in this thread) speculated they would.
    02-04-09 12:00 AM
  19. TekWarren's Avatar
    I got mine going last night and it RAWKS! My phone is through work so I figure I could spend the money on a device that allows me to use my curve at home. The 1X doesn't matter to me at all, I don't do much data...maybe a little email and IM but not much. I just wanted to actually be reachable at home when someone called or make calls when I want to.

    It just works.
    02-06-09 01:23 PM
  20. koalabear's Avatar
    Lastraid - gotta question relating to your message:
    Just an update! I have been teching this device now for two days and the cusomters that have gotten one have really been impressed. Had a lady yesterday that in her house barely got 1 bar if signal. The device kicked in and now she has 4 full bars

    After reading up again this device is NOT reccommended for a Satellite hook up. IE Hughes.net


    Why not satellite connection for the device. I use Wildblue and consistently get 1300 kbps down and around 200 kbps up. I know the specs say a 300 kbps connection is recommended (down and/or up doesn't say) but the specs also say uses about 40 kbps when making a call.
    02-13-09 05:59 PM
  21. lastraid's Avatar
    Lastraid - gotta question relating to your message:
    Just an update! I have been teching this device now for two days and the cusomters that have gotten one have really been impressed. Had a lady yesterday that in her house barely got 1 bar if signal. The device kicked in and now she has 4 full bars

    After reading up again this device is NOT reccommended for a Satellite hook up. IE Hughes.net


    Why not satellite connection for the device. I use Wildblue and consistently get 1300 kbps down and around 200 kbps up. I know the specs say a 300 kbps connection is recommended (down and/or up doesn't say) but the specs also say uses about 40 kbps when making a call.
    Never said it would not work, Most of these connections have latency and other concerns that do not work well with the extender If it works it will if not then it won't. If there are issues, VZW will not support the connection as they cannot assure the signal from the satellite.

    Oh yes this is what the books says, satelite conenctions not reccomended
    02-13-09 06:08 PM
  22. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Satellite connections are either downlink only or highly asynchronous, which means that upload speeds may be below the capacity needed for proper data transmission. There are also huge latency issues, as Lastraid mentions.

    If the upload bandwidth is insufficient, the person you're talking to may not be able to understand you or the connection could be lost. And, if you're old enough to remember the satellite calls between continents or, more recently, between the Lower 48 & Alascom customers in Alaska, you'll understand why latency could be a huge support/customer satisfaction issue.

    I heard from someone I know with a synchronous 128k ISDN connection who had to return their femtocell, because the signal quality was so poor. Many satellite connections have uplink speeds at or below ISDN.

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    02-13-09 06:59 PM
  23. bx2md's Avatar
    This device will suppot 1X data connections only. Oh yes and voice. You will need a VPN capable router and access to a GPS signal. It has 4 channels for 3 phones and one for E911 calls. Does not amplify tower signal in your home, but uses the VPN to pull the signal. Neat huh?
    that is very neat ...even better if we didn't have to pay 250$
    02-14-09 03:00 PM
  24. ManofmanyStangs's Avatar
    Please post up some hacks for the GPS. Where I live Verizon does not have a license for any femtocell's so it will not work in my home. I know there has to be a device or hack to be able to program set parameters for the GPS signal.
    02-14-09 04:03 PM
  25. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    It uses both GPS & IP address identification. You'd need to spoof both.

    IP isn't that difficult, but getting the GPS chip to lie would be the clincher. Any workaround would be very temporary as this type of device is polled using rolling code. The approval to offer these things required location information that could be military certified - terrorist/organized crime activity, you know.

    You might be able to put one over on CATV providers for awhile, but the telcos are much more sophisticated.

    Feel free to try it though. If it fails, there might be someone in the BlackBerry community willing to write you in Leavenworth.

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    02-14-09 05:39 PM
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