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  1. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    this is a funny quote along with verizon's vastly superior network.. considering my friend is always having problems with vzw messing up his bill whenever he goes into a store and i have yet to have a problem with sprint.. also some sprint plans include free roaming (like the family plan i am on) so i get both the sprint and the verizon network for the price i pay for sprint...
    Whoa now wait a minute....................
    I had a situation a while back with VZW where I had a $700.00 bill.
    They had a mixup with the line I have for my son. I can't remember
    what it was but I do know that I have safeguards so that line won't
    be outrageous. But VZW customer service went in and took the charges right
    off. As far as billing I have never had issues with them.
    I can always understand the customer service rep.
    Even though some may have a serious twang; which might make me
    wanna listen to some Hank Williams Jr.
    But don't u dare go knocking VZW customer service.

    As far as Twin X
    I guess ya don't go messin with a network engineer huh.....
    04-07-09 09:51 AM
  2. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar

    In the end, the BMW guy gets the service, while the Escort guy rationalizes how well EconoLube treated him at oil-change time.

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    Thats just wrong; LMAO
    My 03 Honda Civic and I just love Econo Lube
    04-07-09 10:28 AM
  3. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Thats just wrong; LMAO
    My 03 Honda Civic and I just love Econo Lube
    Hey now - I have no guarantees than my analogies won't hit some wrong and I never promised you a rose garden, either!

    And you wouldn't want anything to do with EconoLube around here - most have closed and the remainder look like they may be fronts for chop shops.

    Kid that works for me has a Civic Si. I think it is an '03 or '04 - I don't follow front drivers much - he has over $60k into the thing. Sport seats, carbon-fiber, NOx, the thing is blown, wing on back. It is quick and very nicely done. I drove it once - floor it and the steering wheel becomes demonic. He swears by his local quick-lube shop because they carry Royal Purple.

    Maybe we pay him too much, since he can afford such a toy. Or maybe we don't pay him enough since he has to go to a quick-lube shop. What I do know is he was really down in the dumps before Christmas - he swore his car, with its gorgeous paint job & heavily massaged engine, would beat a Corvette. He couldn't beat my old one - it was run through Lingenfelter - but then he was beaten by his friend in a Mustang GT. Still, it is a sharp ride & I hope that fast lube place never scratches it.

    Bringing it back on topic, each carrier has advantages and having everyone on one carrier will never happen, nor would we want it to happen. No competition would increase prices & reduce service. But VZW's competition is really AT&T, not Sprint.

    Sprint is a 1900MHz PCS carrier. VZW runs both 1900 & 800MHz bands. The split is roughly 4:1, with 800MHz being the predominant frequency. Sprint does not pay for 3G bandwidth on 800MHz. 1900MHz is extremely line of sight and can be affected in basements, elevators & other assorted obstacles.

    Think of the attacker in Galaxian - when they are coming at you in a tight, narrow group, it is easier to block them or stop them than when they are spread out. 1900MHz is a tight wave, as opposed to the wider, more spread wave of 800MHz. Even wider yet is FM radio and even wider that that is AM radio. The higher the frequency, the more accurate it is, but it is also more prone to disruption. The 1900MHz issue is one of the reasons Sprint jumped on the Airwave device (with a monthly fee, even) long before VZW did. I've mentioned that there are parts on my house that are cellphone blackholes, but Sprint won't even work in my backyard. But enough of the Marconi lessons.

    As for the repeated reference to the Gizmodo puff piece. Let's take out my distrust of Gizmodo, no matter my basis or reasoning and take an intelligent look at the testing procedure.

    1) Gizmodo used 10 cities to test in. Conveniently, 8 of these cities represent Sprint's finest areas - those areas are within Sprint's densest facilities areas - and because of this, they also tend to have lower network traffic for the available fac bandwidth. AT&T & VZW didn't stand a chance.

    2) Against accepted testing procedures, Gizmodo used a different brand & model of network card for each carrier and didn't adjust their results accordingly. I can see a different model for the AT&T tests, since they are GSM, but they could've chosen a card closer to the performance of the other two.

    3) Gizmodo did not test mobile conditions, nor did they make any adjustments based on tower location. If they setup between three Sprint towers or too close to an AT&T or VZW tower, modulation would be affected.

    4) Sprint advertises considerably more on Gizmodo than does either AT&T or VZW.

    5) Gizmodo did not use an accepted standardized testing procedure.


    6) A few years back, AT&T was called on the carpet for using data that the testing company later wouldn't stand by to make claims of network reliability. AT&T later retracted their claims. Now, Sprint is doing the same thing, claiming in their ads that "reliable third-party testing" confirms their claims - yet they refuse to name the company of the testing procedures. VZW publishes their testing procedures in detail, checking their own network as well as others, using verifiable data collection and multiple random tests with varying equipment, locations and times. It is considered so accurate that in areas where AT&T does well, AT&T will mention it to customers. Look, Mr. Customer, even Verizon shows we have a stronger signal at your house!

    7) Even with the above mentioned suspicions which can cause suspicions of bias, Sprint still didn't win all the cities.

    But I suspected all of this. Gizmodo is considered a consumer-tech forum, not a testing organization. Over the years, I've seen Gizmodo claim the best audio system was from Bose and that the iPhone would kill BlackBerry.

    Now I didn't write any of this as any form of argument with Mr. Slingding. Rather, I wrote it to counter the posting of Gizmodo links that some may think authoritative.

    If you want to read Gizmodo, fine. I subscribe to some rather slanted publications on both the left & right of subjects. But I view them with a jaundiced eye; a grain of salt. But until someone can show me objective data that is better formulated, I know that those who toss out Gizmodo as authoritative simply searched Google (itself no ally of VZW because of privacy & access agreements) for the words "Sprint" "fastest" "reliable" and jumped on the result they felt was the most favorable to their argument.

    There will probably be more to come as I've emailed the Gizmodo article to several people who know cell networks/equipment AND whose dinner comes (like mine) from all the major carriers, asking for their opinion. For now, though, I am done. It is lunchtime, after all.

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    04-07-09 04:05 PM
  4. numus's Avatar
    Whoa now wait a minute....................
    I had a situation a while back with VZW where I had a $700.00 bill.
    They had a mixup with the line I have for my son. I can't remember
    what it was but I do know that I have safeguards so that line won't
    be outrageous. But VZW customer service went in and took the charges right
    off. As far as billing I have never had issues with them.
    I can always understand the customer service rep.
    Even though some may have a serious twang; which might make me
    wanna listen to some Hank Williams Jr.
    But don't u dare go knocking VZW customer service.

    As far as Twin X
    I guess ya don't go messin with a network engineer huh.....
    Funny.. my friends with verizon say they like the coverage but the customer service sucks... i have never had a problem with sprint.. personal experience of me being in teh store with him.. him telling them everything to do to his bill.. they confirm it.. he gets home and a week later the bill comes and is all wrong... so yes i do dare to knock VZW customer service
    04-07-09 04:40 PM
  5. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Funny.. my friends with verizon say they like the coverage but the customer service sucks... i have never had a problem with sprint.. personal experience of me being in teh store with him.. him telling them everything to do to his bill.. they confirm it.. he gets home and a week later the bill comes and is all wrong... so yes i do dare to knock VZW customer service
    While I know your statement may not be precise, let's say it is with regards to that bill issue. They fix it today and he gets the bill a week or ten days from now. If he gets it that quickly, the bill date would be before today.

    Make an adjustment with any company and, at a minimum, they will tell you one to two bill cycles, all because of the billing date issue along with credit processing. Some will go so far as to tell you one to three cycles. One to two billing cycles is not a week or even ten days.

    It doesn't matter if it is Cox, Comcast, AOL, AT&T, VZW, Sprint or T-Mobile.

    So how is your statement within reason, let alone believable? It certainly isn't a fair or balanced assessment of the situation.

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    04-07-09 06:37 PM
  6. lennyj17's Avatar
    I love how all you guys are taking Twinx2dad to task.

    I mean we all know he talks out of his *** and has no real fact....

    Verizon is his GOD, he total drunk in the Verizon ideology of pay more for native coverage in MOOSENECK, NE.

    Let's point out Facts shall we.

    A Sprint CDMA phone will get service in more places then a Verizon phone. Sprint doesn't lock out roaming on any CDMA carrier. (Exclude metro and leap). Verizon does.

    In a lot of places if Verizon has an outage your phone will be useless until its back up and running, because they lock out IN-market roaming.


    Sprint's blackberries and phones for that matter are uncrippled and open to use any app.


    Sprint has the most fair pricing.

    Sprint is the Data leader, more people chose Sprint over Verizon ATT or T-mo when Data is a priority for them.

    Customer Service is a subjective opinion. All I can is excellent CS is doing wonders for T-mobile who has a 3.3% churn rate. Highest record of churn, Sprint never came close.


    In my Book Sprint is just as good as Verizon, and better then Verizon because Sprint doesn't rip you off in Pricing and Crippled phones.

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    04-08-09 07:21 AM
  7. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Let's point out Facts shall we.

    A Sprint CDMA phone will get service in more places then a Verizon phone. Sprint doesn't lock out roaming on any CDMA carrier. (Exclude metro and leap). Verizon does.

    In a lot of places if Verizon has an outage your phone will be useless until its back up and running, because they lock out IN-market roaming.
    I just love how dopes claim to be speaking "facts" but then go into rhetoric.

    Roaming agreements have to be made before a carrier will allow you to roam on their network. Without an agreement, you will have to cough up a credit card to make your call. Also, VZW does not lock out roaming in home network areas - your phone settings do. Change to Automatic and roaming will work fine. Of course, Lenny may not be intelligent enough to figyre this out.
    In my Book Sprint is just as good as Verizon, and better then Verizon because Sprint doesn't rip you off in Pricing and Crippled phones.
    Hey Lenny - is Sprint's inability to give you true MMS not considered a "crippled" service? I can show you all carriers customize their phones. VZW is no different. But there is nothing your Sprint BlackBerry can do that mine cannot. Care to give us details of your uninformed claims?

    Now the last thing that I didn't requote. VZW and AT&T both have nearly as many smartphone customers as Sprint has total customers. Your claim is based on distorted facts from percentages of customers, not total customers. VZW & AT&T both have around 9.6% of their customers with smartphones. Sprint has 10.4%. It doesn't take a genius - in fact any dope like you could figure this - to know that 9.6% of 83million customers is a LOT more people than 10.4% of Sprint's customer base. Add in the number of enhanced services phones like Voyager & Glyde & Sprint is steamrollered.

    No one takes me to task - I simply back up what I say, while demanding others do the same. You've not met that, so you're a liar.

    Come back with facts, you dope - and you might make some sense. Until then, you're just another drive-by dope who was too stupid to know he clicked the wrong link.

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    04-08-09 08:58 AM
  8. lennyj17's Avatar
    I just love how dopes claim to be speaking "facts" but then go into rhetoric.

    Roaming agreements have to be made before a carrier will allow you to roam on their network. Without an agreement, you will have to cough up a credit card to make your call. Also, VZW does not lock out roaming in home network areas - your phone settings do. Change to Automatic and roaming will work fine. Of course, Lenny may not be intelligent enough to figyre this out.
    OMG! Priceless.....You really are too much...LMAO!!! Verizon does lock out In-Market Roaming over 70% of its network....You really know nothing don't you.....


    Hey Lenny - is Sprint's inability to give you true MMS not considered a "crippled" service? I can show you all carriers customize their phones. VZW is no different. But there is nothing your Sprint BlackBerry can do that mine cannot. Care to give us details of your uninformed claims
    Ummmm ALL Sprint BB's from the 8703 on up can do MMS, Sprint added that functionality back in January....Where have you been.... again Sprint phones aren't Crippled in anyway.

    What my bb can do that yours cant lets see:

    -Keep Service if Sprint has and Outage in my location...
    -Use GPS as it was intended to be used and with any APP that's dependant on it.
    -Watch TV
    -Listen to Radio
    -Not have Speakerblast with 4.5

    Now the last thing that I didn't requote. VZW and AT&T both have nearly as many smartphone customers as Sprint has total customers. Your claim is based on distorted facts from percentages of customers, not total customers. VZW & AT&T both have around 9.6% of their customers with smartphones. Sprint has 10.4%. It doesn't take a genius - in fact any dope like you could figure this - to know that 9.6% of 83million customers is a LOT more people than 10.4% of Sprint's customer base. Add in the number of enhanced services phones like Voyager & Glyde & Sprint is steamrollered.
    Not Everyone who has a smartphone uses data or is Data a priority for them you FOOL (Texting IS NOT DATA, before you even make that claim)! DATA also includes aircard use....Verizon and ATT do have more subs then Sprint, but again Sprint has data centric subscribers, 8 out 10 people who sign up with Sprint want more then just Voice and Texting.

    No one takes me to task - I simply back up what I say, while demanding others do the same. You've not met that, so you're a liar.
    I haven't seen you back up one statement, all of you hot-air is just that! made up HOT-AIR. You make discount yourself by the idiotic statements you make, rather then the people you quote, just like how you're trying to challenge me right here...Please stop your embarrassing yourself.

    Come back with facts, you dope - and you might make some sense. Until then, you're just another drive-by dope who was too stupid to know he clicked the wrong link.
    I love this - some backwater hillbilly still living in 1998 who couldnt produce a fact if it bit him on the **** is calling me a dope....

    PARENTS PLEASE KEEP YOUR KIDS OFF THE INTERNET!
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    04-08-09 09:39 AM
  9. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Again, you've spouted nothing but rhetoric & fanboy talking points - nothing new, believable or factual in anything you're saying. I mean, if you think Sprint's link to a web service is MMS, I know you're not a bright soul.

    Come back with some verifiable facts and while you're giving parents advice, tell yours to make you get out of their basement as you need to get a job.

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    04-08-09 11:55 AM
  10. lennyj17's Avatar
    ^^^^ok - Im done with this....Welcome to my Ignore List!
    04-08-09 12:03 PM
  11. numus's Avatar
    Again, you've spouted nothing but rhetoric & fanboy talking points - nothing new, believable or factual in anything you're saying. I mean, if you think Sprint's link to a web service is MMS, I know you're not a bright soul.

    Come back with some verifiable facts and while you're giving parents advice, tell yours to make you get out of their basement as you need to get a job.

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    You have spouted nothing but rhetorical BS and fanboy BS about trying to qualifying overspending for less...
    04-08-09 12:05 PM
  12. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    You have spouted nothing but rhetorical BS and fanboy BS about trying to qualifying overspending for less...
    And you have done what to add to this conversation?

    If you knew half of what you thought you did, you'd realize how stupid you sound.

    Both you & Lenny need to put the entire VZW forum on ignore & crawl back into your overly sensitive & misdirected corner.

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    04-08-09 03:09 PM
  13. vzwty's Avatar
    And you have done what to add to this conversation?

    If you knew half of what you thought you did, you'd realize how stupid you sound.

    Both you & Lenny need to put the entire VZW forum on ignore & crawl back into your overly sensitive & misdirected corner.

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    Seriously what's with all the sprint fanboys in here lately? Sorry guys but you get what you pay for. If sprint is so good, why did over a million customers leave last year? And how many did Verizon gain? Hmmm
    04-08-09 07:45 PM
  14. Slingbox's Avatar
    Seriously what's with all the sprint fanboys in here lately?
    hehe were very entertained by TwinsX2Dad ,hes one cool cat


    Sorry guys but you get what you pay for.
    Im glade you brought that up ,

    Verizon's BlackBerry Nationwide Email & Messaging - Unlimited
    cost $149.99 then add $9.99 for VZ Navigator
    Total cost 159.99 month

    Sprint Simply Everything
    Total cost $99.00 month


    If I were to go Verizon I would end up paying $720.00 more a year to get same service I'm getting from Sprint , carrying around a Verizon crippled BB- locked gps / sucky firmware. Seeing ive been a Sprint customer for 4 years I would of lost $2880.00 going V.
    Those bragging about being V customer loving to pay big money may want to step back and wake up ,your throwing money away.


    If sprint is so good, why did over a million customers leave last year? And how many did Verizon gain? Hmmm
    They all wanted to be BB Storm users lol
    Last edited by Slingbox; 04-09-09 at 08:15 AM.
    04-09-09 07:09 AM
  15. lennyj17's Avatar
    Seriously what's with all the sprint fanboys in here lately? Sorry guys but you get what you pay for. If sprint is so good, why did over a million customers leave last year? And how many did Verizon gain? Hmmm
    They lost a million because Nextel service is Crap....IDen lost 1.1 million last Q and CDMA actually gained subs...

    So there's the end to your mistery....

    I get better then what I pay for...Feels nice not being wallet raped every month and having my phone locked down.
    04-09-09 09:01 AM
  16. thinkamp's Avatar
    They lost a million because Nextel service is Crap....IDen lost 1.1 million last Q and CDMA actually gained subs...

    So there's the end to your mistery....

    I get better then what I pay for...Feels nice not being wallet raped every month and having my phone locked down.
    I had sprint when it was ONLY sprint no Nextel and it was STILL crap!
    Just stop being a sprint fanboy in the VZW section and make your little post in the Sprint section!
    Good day!

    EDIT///
    Also I'd rather be raped a little bit by VZW than get stuck some where with NO service and be screwed!
    Last edited by thinkamp; 04-09-09 at 09:15 AM.
    04-09-09 09:05 AM
  17. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    I had sprint when it was ONLY sprint no Nextel and it was STILL crap!
    Just stop being a sprint fanboy in the VZW section and make your little post in the Sprint section!
    Good day!
    They can't go to the Sprint forums - even more people there to tell them Sprint is crap. I read those forums. No bigger critics of Sprint than Sprint customers.

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    04-09-09 09:08 AM
  18. thinkamp's Avatar
    They can't go to the Sprint forums - even more people there to tell them Sprint is crap. I read those forums. No bigger critics of Sprint than Sprint customers.

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    LMAO now that right there is just funny!!
    04-09-09 09:14 AM
  19. vzwty's Avatar
    hehe were very entertained by TwinsX2Dad ,hes one cool cat


    Im glade you brought that up ,

    Verizon's BlackBerry Nationwide Email & Messaging - Unlimited
    cost $149.99 then add $9.99 for VZ Navigator
    Total cost 159.99 month

    Sprint Simply Everything
    Total cost $99.00 month


    If I were to go Verizon I would end up paying $720.00 more a year to get same service I'm getting from Sprint , carrying around a Verizon crippled BB- locked gps / sucky firmware. Seeing ive been a Sprint customer for 4 years I would of lost $2880.00 going V.
    Those bragging about being V customer loving to pay big money may want to step back and wake up ,your throwing money away.



    They all wanted to be BB Storm users lol
    Getting what you pay for is with verizon it is more expensive but you get far superior service, customer service, etc. Sprint has to offer the crazy low prices to even be a little competitive. Still if sprint was so good would they be able to offer such plans? No, they wouldnt. So with sprint you get what you pay for..crap!
    04-09-09 12:14 PM
  20. ilovemileyyy's Avatar
    I like my Sprint service where I live better than Verizon. All fo my friends always have to use my phone cause theres dont work. And I know that in most areas Verizon is better, but here in the nortch country Sprint is far superior.
    04-09-09 12:25 PM
  21. vzwty's Avatar
    I like my Sprint service where I live better than Verizon. All fo my friends always have to use my phone cause theres dont work. And I know that in most areas Verizon is better, but here in the nortch country Sprint is far superior.
    It happens. Once in a blue moon other carriers work better than Verizon in certain areas. Same applies for tmobile, at&t,etc
    04-09-09 01:03 PM
  22. Slingbox's Avatar
    Getting what you pay for is with verizon it is more expensive but you get far superior service, customer service, etc.
    I dont know how often you call CS , I have no need to .
    Simply Everything is just that , I get $99.00 a month bill all is smooth.



    Sprint has to offer the crazy low prices to even be a little competitive. Still if sprint was so good would they be able to offer such plans?
    Were have you been hiding ,Sprint customer care has sucked for years finally making comeback ,to lower cost only made sense.


    No, they wouldn't. So with sprint you get what you pay for..crap!
    And you my friend are full of crap .

    Keep paying that expensive bill and enjoy your crippled device ,Verizon loves you.
    04-09-09 02:01 PM
  23. Slingbox's Avatar
    It happens. Once in a blue moon other carriers work better than Verizon in certain areas. Same applies for tmobile, at&t,etc
    You got that right
    Vandals Cut Cable; Trigger Massive Phone Outage - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

    Poor V customers are more then likely not able to roam in that area because your carrier has put chains on your service.

    Those Darn Sprint customers are out to get you lol
    Last edited by Slingbox; 04-09-09 at 02:15 PM.
    04-09-09 02:05 PM
  24. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    And you my friend are full of crap
    Spoken by someone who shows daily he knows nothing about what he is talking about.

    Simply Everything to dopes, credit risks, the homebound and to grown children typing away in their parents' basement.

    You came into our house, childishly looking to start trouble - don't go whining and complaining because we defend and show all viewers what you're really made of. And while you're at it, why don't you knock off picking fights with people who actually assist others. I know that helping anyone of displaying any sign of intelligence is foreign to you - but you could try, starting with crawling back into the Sprint hole. It is such a deep hole, you don't even know what reality looks like.

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    04-09-09 02:18 PM
  25. John Yester's Avatar



    Were have you been hiding ,Sprint customer care has sucked for years finally making comeback ,to lower cost only made sense.


    Ha ya well at least it was truly admitted.

    I can't tell you how many times a user post in the curve or pearl section trying to get help and we suggest to them to call CS or go to the store, and they state they did and sprint did nothing. VZW stand by it's customers. I have never had a problem with service. And when there was a problem with the device which is not always ruled to be the carrier. They replace it. No questions asked.


    I often find carrier debates just like political debates. Some people are true believers of what they stand for. That is fine. But enough with the trash talking(I mean personal statements)............. It's getting real old.

    Spoken by someone who shows daily he knows nothing about what he is talking about.

    Simply Everything to dopes, credit risks, the homebound and to grown children typing away in their parents' basement.

    You came into our house, childishly looking to start trouble - don't go whining and complaining because we defend and show all viewers what you're really made of. And while you're at it, why don't you knock off picking fights with people who actually assist others. I know that helping anyone of displaying any sign of intelligence is foreign to you - but you could try, starting with crawling back into the Sprint hole. It is such a deep hole, you don't even know what reality looks like.

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    Verizon Wireless
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