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  1. omgtek's Avatar
    "you doesnt need a BB unless you have a business"
    if this kid worked for me at my store, i would have detatched his nuts..
    08-08-09 03:08 PM
  2. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    You don't type well...and a BB is not JUST a business communication tool. It's a multitasking tool.
    Just like a Jeep Wrangler is not just an offroad vehicle. Yes, you can take on the highway, but any Hyundai/Kia/Fiat will be more comfortable & better suited to the task of driving from LA to Miami. I have two Jeeps - an old CJ5 & a two door Wrangler Unlimited - love them, but I'd not have one as my only mode of transportation.

    And, you might want to learn what multitasking is, because the BlackBerry doesn't do multitasking.

    It is a well-documented fact - read real reviews - that BlackBerry does not do voice as well as most phones do. The hardware is lacking & the voice compression is subpar. It is an objective thing unrelated to skewed subjective assessments.

    There are people who will go into a store & tell the sales guy that they want something, no matter what - that is their right, as it is their money - but even then, a good sale guy (or gal) will process the sale & explain the item, along with it's benefits & limitations.

    Can you hear me now? Ever notice the VZW geek isn't using a BlackBerry?

    I can't go out with the gang today, so I'll be off & on here.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    08-08-09 03:12 PM
  3. Jokakarotto's Avatar
    BB is a business communications tool. It doesn't do web well. It doesn't do html well. It doesn't do games well. It doesn't do voilce well. It doesn't do music well. It doesn't do ebtertainment well. It doesn't do video well. Add too much to it and you need to do frequent battery pulls.

    If you don't need a served and managed email device either you're getting something you don't need or you will try to do things with it that it isn't designed to do. So what's the problem with that rep's response?

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Do you even own a Blackberry? I can talk, listen to music, watch tv, listen to radio, play games, facebook, tweet and a whole list of other things. You sound like one of those customers that will never be happy with anything you get ever. BBs work just fine for all that stuff. Go buy an iphone nub.
    08-08-09 03:14 PM
  4. petaf's Avatar
    This all makes me laugh. A year and a half ago I had an itch for a Tilt. Mind you, I am not a business person. Went into my local AT+T and the salesman absolutely would not sell me one. Said it was way too much phone for me. Well, of course, I promptly left that store and went to another and bought the phone. I still have it, and since my Iphone 3G's battery bit the dust I dragged out the Tilt. It is a monster of a phone. Do I need it? No! But I don't think anyone has the right to tell a would-be customer what he/she should buy. My 2-cents
    PS: Oh and I have two BlackBerries. Think I have a problem??!!
    08-08-09 03:21 PM
  5. jakeboyer11's Avatar
    And, you might want to learn what multitasking is, because the BlackBerry doesn't do multitasking.
    Noun
    Multitasking

    The simultaneous execution of multiple tasks (programs) under the control of an interrupt-driven operating system (An operating system in which the interrupt system is the mechanism for reporting all changes in the states of hardware and software resources, and such changes are the events that induce new assignments of these resorces to meet work-load demands).

    Perhaps you should have looked up multitasking because then you'd know that it DOES multitask
    Last edited by jakeboyer11; 08-08-09 at 03:30 PM.
    08-08-09 03:28 PM
  6. gotblackberry's Avatar
    My tour multi-tasks. I can listen to music on Slacker and browse the web at the same time.
    08-08-09 03:38 PM
  7. jdmoore81's Avatar
    i went from a razr to a bb storm and it was the best decision i ever made . i thought about upgrading to the tour but i am holding off until the storm 2 is released . but it does everything i want it to . its my email , my ipod , my weather , my phone , and its even my news . i am a stay at home dad which i love and wife is in the medical field and we both have and love our bb. so it might have been intended for business but now its coming to business and pleasure.
    08-08-09 03:40 PM
  8. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    My tour multi-tasks. I can listen to music on Slacker and browse the web at the same time.
    You could do that with Win3.1 - in computing, it is the ability to have two or more apps open and visibly accessible simultaneously, without minimizing any of them.

    If you cannot cascade/tile or even run something at less than full screen, it is not a multitasking device. Switch Application is not multitasking.

    A further look - can you have more than one browser instance open at a time? If not, it is not a multitasking device.

    When some of you learn to admit limitations, restrictions, faults & abilitied & compare them from an experienced point of view, we can talk. Until then...

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    08-08-09 04:19 PM
  9. Jim from NW Pa's Avatar
    dad, you still havent answered my message
    08-08-09 04:47 PM
  10. Wireless Vet's Avatar
    The same reason why people can't type out Veteran in their username.
    Vet is an actual words BIL is a lazy acronym

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    08-08-09 06:35 PM
  11. DesertDogs's Avatar
    Anyone who thinks BBs multitask should be restricted to a flipphone.

    Anyone who thinks "BIL" (Blast It Louise, Buttheaded, Imbecilic Liberals) is akin to "Vet" is a total buffoon who needs to retake grade school English. Probably the same kind of goof who thinks it is cool to write "No wai gurl"

    Now, which dope was it whose only retort to me was an attack on my writing because they couldn't mount an intelligent or factual response?

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    08-08-09 07:23 PM
  12. jakeboyer11's Avatar
    Noun
    Multitasking

    The simultaneous execution of multiple tasks (programs) under the control of an interrupt-driven operating system
    This is the exact definition of multitasking. How can one say that a blackberry doesn't multitask? This is exactly what it does. It runs applications simultaneously!

    I'm done here...some of you are too arrogant to admit you're wrong. So I'm just done.
    08-08-09 07:43 PM
  13. keiffers's Avatar
    I see that some people think the VZW rep was right that if you don't have a business you don't need a BB.....well I guess then that means every consumer that they pushed the Storm to should never have gotten it? Sorry in today's world a BB is NOT just a business tool. Yes it was designed to be a business tool, but its a smart phone that allows for you to access email and IM alot better than a regular phone. I upgraded from an original LG ENv because it sucked when it came to trying to access email and IM, among a few other things. The Storm I went to worked perfectly, until it started having issues like everyone else had prior to the OS upgrade I dumped it and got a Curve. The Curve works perfectly for me and I don't use it for business use. Some people need to realize they are behind in the times if they think a BB is not a good choice for a consumer and should only be purchased for business use.....that is so last year....the BB does just about the same thing an iphone does, so with your logic, the iphone shouldn't be purchased as well if you don't have a business.....and yes no matter what you think they are pretty much they same - they are BOTH smartphones with various features of their own
    08-08-09 09:13 PM
  14. darethas's Avatar
    This is the biggest hating on bb in a single post that I have ever seen in a while!!! On a bb fansite as well! A lot of the well thought out, but quite frankly crude assumptions have made me laugh here. I love how everyone seems to know exactly what RIM is and how they operate and what they plan on doing.

    For the record, those idiots that work in the mall, never listen to them. I remember Suncom, (holy god awful) and the guy waving a Bluetooth headset in my face and he had no idea if it was bluetooth 1.2 or 2.0 or even what the difference was. All he could say in his heavy russian accent was "Do you know what is it??!?!"


    I mean after reading all this, I would of replied right back to the VZW guy at the kiosk and would of been like "Then what is the storm for? Business? I don't think so." Especially since the commericals you see on TV for it are marketed to towards consumers. And now blackberry has their social networking?

    I don't know what previous model blackberry pissed you guys off so much but I can tell you this, my blackberry...

    1. Plays video extremely well, especially when you use the native res.

    2. Plays music very well

    3. Views emails very well

    4. Multi-tasks very well (by the way, just because you can't cascade/tile doesn't mean you aren't multi-tasking, thats just a windows thing, besides that, if you still think you are right, did you check out the tabbed browsing in 5.0? What do you call that genius? )

    Pretty sure if I am downloading something on App World, switch over to Facebook mobile, upload a photo album, switch over to Pandora and turn on the radio, then use my browser, and have all this going all at the same time, im F****ing multi-tasking. Plain and Simple. IF you think this phone doesn't multitask you are IGNORANT.
    08-08-09 09:20 PM
  15. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    twins, see what ur trying to say about multitasking features in general, but I think your being hard on RIM and blackberries in general. They may not multitask exactly how you would want them to but you have to admit, they do the job! It may not flow as smooth as others like iphone and the pre, but the thing does multitask!
    08-08-09 09:43 PM
  16. yfnumber5's Avatar
    Seriously if a person WANTS. A bb explain to him the positives and negatives let him make an informed decision. We aren't completely smug socialists who know better than the individual what they need and is best for them

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    08-08-09 10:14 PM
  17. DesertDogs's Avatar
    This is the exact definition of multitasking. How can one say that a blackberry doesn't multitask? This is exactly what it does. It runs applications simultaneously!

    I'm done here...some of you are too arrogant to admit you're wrong. So I'm just done.
    That definition, Jake, pertains to processors, not human interface. But let's look at it from the human perspective.

    You show us how you simultaneouly execute two commands on a BB or concurrently use/view two applications at once.

    Yeah. Didn't think so.

    How long did you search for that definition before you found one you might be able to pass off as relevant?

    I am degreed in computer science and used to use my schooling with AT&T/NEC when AT&T owned NEC. I know the difference between reality and your attempt at misleading with misused information. The BB OS is only one step above DOS in its ability to multitask.

    You run LINUX on a BB, like I can and then we will talk about the finer points of multitasking. Until then, fire up that search engine and come up with something better.

    The arrogance is yours. Keep it there.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    08-08-09 10:14 PM
  18. jakeboyer11's Avatar
    Then by your definition, no device can multitask. In the human perspective it would be such a thing as walking and talking or reading and walking; it’s doing two things at once which I agree that it is multitasking, in the human perspective. But if we look at it from a technological side, because we are talking about a piece of technology, multitasking here would be done by the PROCESSOR. Multitasking is the ability to run multiple programs and easily switch between them. And, as we all know, a blackberry can do. Therefore, your measly attempt to impress me falls short and it seems as if your "degree" has gone to waste. All you're doing is bloviating on this forum and trying to pass of what you say as "knowledge" so I would say just quit while you're still behind. Any comment you have, I will rebut. You won't win. And I'm sure the other people in this forum don't want to see you try.

    Wait I must correct myself. A blackberry can multitask in the sense of human perspective. I can type an e-mail/text message and talk on the phone at the same time. I'm pretty sure that that's multitasking even by your definition.
    Last edited by jakeboyer11; 08-08-09 at 11:08 PM.
    08-08-09 10:34 PM
  19. Jim from NW Pa's Avatar
    3. Views emails very well
    Gonna have to disagree with your on that one..... You must never get emails that contain images

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    08-08-09 10:53 PM
  20. Jim from NW Pa's Avatar
    Any comment you have, I will rebut. You won't win. And I'm sure the other people in this forum don't want to see you try.
    I would love to see you two duke it out actually......but I thought we were all nothing more than arrogant idiots and you were done with this thread?

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    08-08-09 10:57 PM
  21. jakeboyer11's Avatar
    No that was just aimed toward the one person. In no way was I refereing to anyone else here.
    08-08-09 11:02 PM
  22. YourMobileGuru's Avatar
    @ TwinsX2Dad

    What blackberries have you been using? What you say definitely describes the 83xx series curves and older but the Storm, Tour, and 8900 have made a lot of strides on the areas you describe. Are they perfect? No. But you are definitely overgeneralizing things. Also some of the problems you describe are due to the websites detecging the BB Browser and automatically assuming that things are not supported and not even making them visible. That's the websites problem not the phone.
    08-08-09 11:03 PM
  23. kylebornbach84's Avatar
    I am degreed in computer science and used to use my schooling with AT&T/NEC when AT&T owned NEC.
    As I read your post, I started wondering if people who are "degreed" in computer science need to take english classes. Then I re-read your post and realized they don't. I also started wondering if your schooling "did you good." (I wrote that with your style/dialect of english). Before you post anywhere, or actually act like you're an intelligent person, please, oh please, TAKE AN ENGLISH CLASS, or at least graduate from somewhere that you don't have to call a 1-800 number to gain acceptance.
    08-08-09 11:20 PM
  24. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Alright gang - so one is talking multitasking on a processor & we're talking about a multitasking OS, which BlackBerry does not have, I don't care what anyone says to the contrary.

    And looking back on what I wrote, I added some confusion to the mix. The iPhone doesn't multitask either. I blame the faux pas on medications & a thought process going 16 different directions. So sue me.

    In fact RIM even took Apple to task, because Apple claimed their device multitasked, while the BlackBerry platform did not. RIM correctly pointed out that, on an iPhone, you have to hit the Home key to view another app, much like selecting Switch Application on a BlackBerry. RIM said, and there was even an in-depth discussion on CB awhile back about RIM's reaction, that if Apple could claim the iPhone could multitask, then the same definition could be applied to BlackBerry.

    You can define multitasking any way you'd like - it doesn't mean your definition is true. If you cannot work in multiple apps at the same time, you are not multitasking. A BlackBerry holds apps running in memory, much like a minimized app in Windows - but unlike Windows, you cannot copy text from a browser & immediately paste it to a Word document. Full screen operation automatically precludes multitasking. You cannot view two documents side by side and you cannot compare between them.

    If you cannot drag & drop into multiple open folders, you cannot multitask.

    To Rocka's point - we could possibly look at site scripting & rendering, but this doesn't explain the way the BlackBerry browser can choke & crash on sites. It also doesn't explain why there are sites that are not multicoded that you cannot view on a BlackBerry, regardless of settings, while I can view the same sites on other phones.

    There may have been advances in the OS in Storm/Tour, but I have decompiled the code - same browser.

    Here is the difference in OS processes that I am referring to - on my computers, Apple, Microsoft or Linux, I can have two things open and work between them, while viewing each. I don't have to minimize one to view the other. I can drag & drop directly between folders/open windows. I can do the same thing in WinMo, although with a smaller screen - these are things we could not do in DOS or command-line UNIX (as opposed to GUI-UNIX, which is what Mac is). It is also something you cannot do on a BlackBerry.

    Five years ago, BlackBerry was a smartphone. It isn't so much today, because modern smartphones have passed it. In 1964, the GTO was a fast car. Today, not so much, because a Honda minivan will run with it there just isn't a whole lot a BlackBerry can do today that it couldn't do 5 years ago - but there are things a WinMo or Palm device could do 5 years ago that a BlackBerry cannot do today. Follow that? Good - then leave the semantics games to those who can't argue based on reality.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    08-08-09 11:34 PM
  25. YourMobileGuru's Avatar
    here may have been advances in the OS in Storm/Tour, but I have decompiled the code - same browser.
    Did you look at the rendering engine? The basic software is the same yes but they dramatically render pages differently from the older BB's and the Storm/Tour/8900 are all much FASTER than the Bold (which actually has the more powerful processor).



    In fact RIM even took Apple to task, because Apple claimed their device multitasked, while the BlackBerry platform did not. RIM correctly pointed out that, on an iPhone, you have to hit the Home key to view another app, much like selecting Switch Application on a BlackBerry. RIM said, and there was even an in-depth discussion on CB awhile back about RIM's reaction, that if Apple could claim the iPhone could multitask, then the same definition could be applied to BlackBerry.
    With a BB when you go back to that app it is still running in the same place as it was when you moved to a different app. With only a couple exceptions this is NOT the case with the iPhone. The app has to be reopened and you need to re-navigate back to where you were.
    08-09-09 12:05 AM
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