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  1. contex's Avatar
    Alright thanks for your replies everyone. So i guess Verizon does keep a log of what websites you go to.
    06-12-09 05:31 PM
  2. lastraid's Avatar
    Alright thanks for your replies everyone. So i guess Verizon does keep a log of what websites you go to.
    All carriers do as well as ISP's

    As a matter of fact if you look out your window right now, do you see the back van with guys in dark suits and shades? All this beacuse you came crackberry
    06-12-09 05:45 PM
  3. IDsweetcheeks's Avatar
    I've had more fun reading this thread!!! Its almost like I'm at dinner with my dad and my uncle larry!!!
    Personally, I can't see where you've been... Doesn't say there isn't a way. I CAN tell if u were downloading or watching video based on the amount of data transfer in one session.

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    06-12-09 06:22 PM
  4. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    What? I wouldn't use my cellphone or the tethering thing to watch porn.
    Okay - we believe you. Well, at least I do. It is that VZW guy in New Mexico we're worried about.

    Speaking of New Mexico, we know where old Mexico is. LR will give credit to whomever can tell us where old Jersey & old Zealand are. did they exist or were they simply conspiracies by VZW to make money off of you?

    Channeling the lovely Heather's Uncle Larry

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    06-12-09 06:44 PM
  5. gvillager's Avatar
    I've had more fun reading this thread!!! Its almost like I'm at dinner with my dad and my uncle larry!!!
    Personally, I can't see where you've been... Doesn't say there isn't a way.
    Customer service or tech support can't see what websites your viewing but the network people sure can (as if they actually cared).

    I CAN tell if u were downloading or watching video based on the amount of data transfer in one session.

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    Oh, THAT data! I must have been watching a lot of Youtube (shameful nervous grin).
    Last edited by gvillager; 06-12-09 at 09:38 PM.
    06-12-09 08:28 PM
  6. skillz360's Avatar
    LOL i hear ya
    06-12-09 08:43 PM
  7. caeb's Avatar
    Fine, do away with all the phone/data records...but there's nothing stopping real time intel. Standing outside typing that text message or surfing online? Everything can be read from a satellite floating around overhead.
    06-13-09 02:21 AM
  8. DesertDogs's Avatar
    The resolution is good enough for 3 inch letters. The satellite can't see what you text and they cans see through opaque materials.

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    06-13-09 03:42 AM
  9. grandpa dan's Avatar
    The funniest thing so far is the fact that that some people flatter themselves by thinking that ANYONE much less the federal government is really interested in what they are texting, what websites they visit, or for that matter what they are doing...

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    06-13-09 04:42 AM
  10. mab4285's Avatar
    The funniest thing so far is the fact that that some people flatter themselves by thinking that ANYONE much less the federal government is really interested in what they are texting, what websites they visit, or for that matter what they are doing...

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    That is the most sense anyone has made in this forum! Way to go grandpa dan!

    What are people doing that they seriously think that the federal government will care about what they're doing?! Get over yourselves. You're not that important.

    I'm sure that the government has the $$$ to waste to see what lil ol me, a college educator, is texting and viewing on my BB...

    Do you all go to conspiricy theory conventions and believe in Roswell and alien autopsies too?

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    06-13-09 09:56 AM
  11. armedtank's Avatar
    The funniest thing so far is the fact that that some people flatter themselves by thinking that ANYONE much less the federal government is really interested in what they are texting, what websites they visit, or for that matter what they are doing...

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com

    +100000

    LMAO,

    When I meet one of those paranoid types, and you meet alot of them working in IT, I always ask that same question.
    06-13-09 10:09 AM
  12. Victoria72's Avatar

    We are not photographed & recorded more than any people except the North Koreans & in some cases the Brits. That attitude of "I don't care, because I don't do anything wrong" was bred into people's heads - those under 40 - and it is this very attitude that is making us less private than mainland Chinese.


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    I am under forty but I have a real problem with anyone invading my privacy. The thought of someone else going through my private messages, etc, gives me a feeling comparable to that of the thought of someone hiding a video camera in my bathroom. Not cool, not cool at all.

    On a realistic note, the probability that I will be the one person out of however many billion cell phone users to be audited this way seems unlikely. However, that the possibility exists at all makes me sick.

    Whether or not I do anything wrong is not the issue. The issue is my right to privacy as a human being and as an American. Sad to think so many of our forefathers died to protect our freedom and liberty, only for it lay nonexistent under cell use scrutiny.
    06-13-09 10:51 AM
  13. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    The funniest thing so far is the fact that that some people flatter themselves by thinking that ANYONE much less the federal government is really interested in what they are texting, what websites they visit, or for that matter what they are doing...
    No flattery in it at all. It is already well documented that they do. Google is under fire by several privacy groups and multiple governments for exactly this. AT&T is being sued for this.

    And while some of this activity is under fire even within the hallowed halls of the US House of Representatives & Congress, there are laws on the books, created by these same entities which require some of the recording by phone companies & ISPs.

    Too many Constitutionally ignorant, but well-intentioned, souls miss the importance of privacy & the right not to be tracked. These same souls are often the same ones who cry out about some Constitutional guarantee of separation of church & State.

    Problem is, the Constitution does guarantee an American's right to privacy. Nowhere does the Constitution even mention separation of church & state, much less guarantee it.

    Each time you think the government is benign and each time you want to think they have no ill intent or interest, you willingly give up a little more freedom & liberty. Rationalizing these things because they don't affect you is yet another bit chipped away toward a time when the things you do, what you eat & what you say are all subject to government approval.

    To me, that, along with ignorance of the Constitution, is what has us in a position far from what made this nation the diamond in the rough & allowed us to exist for nearly 2 & a half decades.

    To cure the problem of privacy invasion, one must look for the root cause & not the symptoms. Part of the AT&T issue is centered on their desire to make money based on your ISP usage. A bigger part is the same thing that affects all carriers & ISPs, including VZW - and that is government requiring them to track us. Then, to make political points, the same government will parade these companies onto the national stage to find evil intent. The biggest problem is the fact the people ignorantly allow it to all happen.

    Everytime you use Google, you allow the problem to progress.


    I really have to be concerned when people claim patriots are just conspiracy theorists or extremists. The people making these claims are, more often than not, part of the problem.
    The problem isn't so much an evil carrier. The problem is an uninformed & rationalizing populace.

    What everyone should be thinking is not that I am not doing anything wrong. The thought process should be along the lines of why do they need to track me if I am not doing anything wrong. And they are tracking you & me.

    If the people some of you call conspiracy theorists are wrong, let them be wrong - but you should support their stand because in the end, the wrong in it is not their position, it is their assumption it was going on in the first place. If the problem wasn't actually happening, that is good - and you standing in support makes sure what they were wrong about does not come to fruition. If they were right, then you can be part of the solution.

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    06-13-09 11:54 AM
  14. mab4285's Avatar
    If it bothers people that much, go get a prepaid cell where they don't ask for names or social security numbers. Sure, they may be able to track the calls or texts, but there is no way that it is tied back to you.

    Oh...and I seriously hope that any of you that are complaining about this aren't on a BES....forget about a court order... Your company can monitor what you're doing on your BB w/o any intervention...talk about a breach of privacy there....but I suppose that's ok since its your company and you work for them.....
    Last edited by niubeav; 06-13-09 at 12:01 PM.
    06-13-09 11:58 AM
  15. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    If it bothers people that much, go get a prepaid cell where they don't ask for names or social security numbers. Sure, they may be able to track the calls or texts, but there is no way that it is tied back to you.

    Oh...and I seriously hope that any of you that are complaining about this aren't on a BES....forget about a court order... Your company can monitor what you're doing on your BB w/o any intervention...talk about a breach of privacy there....but I suppose that's ok since its your company and you work for them.....

    It isn't just the cellphone tracking issue - I know that any carrier can see what you're doing. Should they be recording it? No, but the government forces them to, regardless of their desires (and ours).

    I originally jumped in on this to defuse any anti-carrier sentiment. VZW has fought against recording this type of info for years. AT&T at least used to. Some carriers actively sell the info. But then it turned into a general privacy thing - and many have grown up thinking government knows better than the individual does.

    You and I have had issues, niubeav - but regardless of what I've thought of you every now & then, I'd trust you more to do what is right for you than I would trust any government entity to do for you. And that goes for each and every participant on this site, with maybe a few exceptions.

    Being informed enough with the ability to say no, even if it inconveniences you, is the solution. The only authority, in a free society, is the people. If the people roll over, we allow someone or something else to control us.

    And that is something to be very afraid of.

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    06-13-09 01:10 PM
  16. grandpa dan's Avatar
    While I'll agree that tracking people for no appearent reason is wrong there seems to be a lot of finger pointing at the ills of the federal government while no real solutions are being offered. "We need to stop this invasion of privacy" is not a solution. Rather than just point out the problems if you are that concerned then run for office and make a change because finger pointing solves nothing as is demonstrated by my 7 and 10 year old children on a daily basis.

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    06-13-09 06:15 PM
  17. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    While I'll agree that tracking people for no appearent reason is wrong there seems to be a lot of finger pointing at the ills of the federal government while no real solutions are being offered. "We need to stop this invasion of privacy" is not a solution. Rather than just point out the problems if you are that Rconcerned then run for office and make a change because finger pointing solves nothing as is demonstrated by my 7 and 10 year old children on a daily basis.
    All very true - we can run for office ourselves or we can encourage others to become aware & passionate about the truth.

    I wouldn't make a good politician - I am too ethical, too hard-headed & far too polarizing & demanding. In other words, I don't play well with others who don't follow my rules & terms. People either love me or hate/fear me - not a good combination to make friends in the political arena.

    The first thing I encourage others to do is throw out the newspapers & block garbage like CNN/MSNBC, etc. and pursue the truth with a fully open mind. A good grasp of history & fairness helps.

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    06-14-09 03:14 AM
  18. DigtheBerry's Avatar
    Who cares if they do and who cares if the government is listening to my conversations. They are going to get bored pretty quick. Les see. Websites top on my list"crackberry" "craigslist" ebay! Yeah they willget bored ! Also listening to me o the phone hahahaha I dare them to stay on at least 5 minutes and not go listen to someone else LOL. Not that I have a boring life but surely not exciting enough for Big brother. Theones that worry too much have something to hide !!

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    06-14-09 10:01 AM
  19. cenloe's Avatar
    Who cares if they do and who cares if the government is listening to my conversations.
    The governments of China and North Korea would welcome you with open arms.
    06-14-09 10:49 AM
  20. cenloe's Avatar
    The first thing I encourage others to do is throw out the newspapers & block garbage like CNN/MSNBC, etc. and pursue the truth with a fully open mind.
    You can add Fox News to that list.
    06-14-09 10:52 AM
  21. gvillager's Avatar
    Who cares if they do and who cares if the government is listening to my conversations. They are going to get bored pretty quick. Les see. Websites top on my list"crackberry" "craigslist" ebay! Yeah they willget bored ! Also listening to me o the phone hahahaha I dare them to stay on at least 5 minutes and not go listen to someone else LOL. Not that I have a boring life but surely not exciting enough for Big brother. Theones that worry too much have something to hide !!

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    Just because this is the United States of America and we have this thing called the Constitution it doesn't mean that our government is incapable of error and corruption.

    Hitler/Germany is an example of democracy gone bad.
    Last edited by gvillager; 06-14-09 at 11:37 AM.
    06-14-09 11:31 AM
  22. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    You can add Fox News to that list.
    I did say "like" - and Fox is starting to sound more & more like the others everyday.

    The big thing is, don't sit there & swallow what the media outlets say. Use skepticism & verify what they tell you. For whatever reason, each has an agenda and that agenda may not be based on protecting the Constitution, much like tolerating/defending the practice of monitoring/recording cell phone & ISP use isn't in line with Constitutional premises.

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    06-14-09 02:02 PM
  23. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Hitler/Germany is an example of democracy gone bad.
    Currently, I see a few other parallels, including these two:

    • Ahmadinejad/Iran
    • Obama/USA


    Very sad, but feel free to compare with history & Hitler/Germany.

    Apathy & complacency brought us all three.

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    06-14-09 02:07 PM
  24. patches152's Avatar
    neither time nor place...why does stuff like this always become a political discussion? the question was does VZW monitor browser use? not why, not who else does, just VZW and yes/no answer would basically end this discussion. maybe some discussion to what extent they can/do monitor your usage. idk why the mods feel the need to "ignore" some stuff, especially this sort of stuff.

    off topic is off topic.
    06-14-09 03:29 PM
  25. Exiled Bulldawg's Avatar
    It isn't just your cell phone, there are records for landlines, too. This goes back at least 30 years. The data used to be referred to as NPI (network proprietary information) at least by BST. The FCC controls who can see the data, short of court orders.

    This data now shows not only who a user calls, but also generically where the user goes.

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    06-14-09 03:30 PM
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