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    Sure they are, Rob - but some a lot later than others.

    Sprint is currently dabbling in WiMAX. They have a few areas operational today. But those areas are very few & far between. They cannot afford to blanket the country, nor do they have licenses to do it. The WiMAX technology also isn't as fast, nor as secure, as LTE.

    AT&T is going LTE, as is VZW. The thing here is that AT&T will start an earnest rollout about 18 months behind VZW & their schedule isn't nearly as aggressive. AT&T also doesn't possess the licenses to cover the country.

    T-Mobile has a tiny 3G presence even today. They've not had the financial liquidity to even offer more than basic 2G. We can't expect them to jump into 4G with any speed.

    The little carriers might roll out some, or they may enter into roaming agreements - but again, that is a ways down the road.

    Five years from now, VZW & AT&T will have substantial 4G preesence - VZW should be built out, by then & AT&T will be around 50-60% complete. Sprint may have 30-40% of their network done - but that is about the extent of what they currently have planned or can afford.

    If you don't do data or you only do a little Web surfing & email, you shouldn't care about the speed - coverage area is what you want. But if you tether or are a heavy data user, you will want 4G with great coverage wherever you go.

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    For all that and all you have is fan boy crap.

    How is lte more safe? The protocol has not been ratified. No major test have been conducted, nor have they even tried to come up with security testing protocols. They have not even been able to send an encrypted signal yet, as far as I know.


    Now about the roll out, sprint is not the only player here, virgin moble, intel, google, comcast, and 80 other companyies have support wimax.


    In the united states alone there is 22 major carriers of wimax.

    5 years from now, lte will be saying what they where saying last 3 years, it is just 2 years away.

    Right now over 140 countries and 250 carriers have wimax today. LTE has 0.


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    Angola

    * MSTelcom is deploying a nationwide project at 2.5 GHz. About 60% of Luanda is covered.[citation needed] Data and voice over IP are among the services to be supplied to the end-users.

    Armenia

    * Cornet launched a nationwide network in Yerevan and 18 biggest cities of Armenia.[citation needed] It uses 802.16e protocol in the 3.6-3.8 GHz frequency diapason.

    Australia

    * Allegro Networks has deployed a fixed WiMAX network throughout the Gold Coast, Brisbane and the Sunshine Coast.[citation needed]
    * Emerge Technologies has deployed a 3.5 GHz regional network in Kalgoorlie & Kambalda of Western Australia, they are currently offering internet access to business & domestic users over a proprietary fixed system.[citation needed]

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    Bahrain

    * Zain Covers the Kingdom of Bahrain and has used WiMAX for High Speed Internet under the product "Zain@Home".[citation needed]
    * menatelecom also covers the Kingdom of Bahrain and begun using mobile 802.16e WiMAX on 24 Nov 2008 for High Speed Internet under the product "Switch&Go".[citation needed]

    Bangladesh

    * BanglaLion BanglaLion Communications Ltd using WiMAX standard 802.16e and onward revisions only. It allows VoIP services as well.
    * QUBEE lunch WiMAX trial on 19/07/2009.

    Barbados

    * Telebarbados uses WiMAX to cover most of the island of Barbados in partnership with Freemotion.

    Belgium

    * Clearwire Covers mainly Brussels.[citation needed]

    Bulgaria

    * Max Telecom Ltd. holds a class A license in the 3.5 GHz band (2 x 21 MHz) and has deployed nation-wide network moving towards mobile WiMAX technology[citation needed]
    * TransTelecom holds a class A license in the 3.5 GHz band (2 x 21 MHz) and has deployed a national WiMAX network in Bulgaria moving towards mobile WiMAX technology[citation needed]
    * Nexcom Bulgaria has deployed a national WiMAX network in Bulgaria.[citation needed]
    * Mtel has deployed a national WiMAX network in Bulgaria[citation needed]
    * Carrier BG has deployed a national WiMAX network in Bulgaria[citation needed]

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    Canada

    * Xplornet Internet Services provides WiMAX-based internet services to rural customers across Canada with speeds up to 5 Mbit/s. Xplornet's provided WiMAX service operates on the 3.5 GHz registered private frequency.
    * MetroBridge Networks serves businesses in British Columbia with connections up to 3 Mbit/s with >7500 km of coverage area.[citation needed]
    * Rogers Communications and Bell Canada have formed a joint venture called Inukshuk Wireless[1]. Services provided via Inukshuk include Bell WiMAX from Bell Canada and Rogers Portable Internet from Rogers Communications.[citation needed]
    * Sogetel[2] offer WiMAX connection for Nicolet-Yamaska and St-Hyacinthe (MRC Maskoutain) in Quebec.[citation needed]
    * Primus Canada and Mipps Inc. are now (May'07) jointly conducting WiMAX IEEE 802.16e-2005 (3.5 GHz) trials in Hamilton, Ontario, using Alcatel-Lucent's new WiMAX equipment[citation needed]
    * Picanoc.net is offering services in Lac-Ste-Marie, QC[citation needed]
    * MDS Wireless owns and operates one of the largest WiMAX networks in Southern Ontario providing internet services to residential and business users.[citation needed]

    Cayman Islands

    * Digicel has deployed 802.16d & 802.16e technology for its Digicel Broadband solution.[citation needed]

    Colombia

    * In July 2006 Orbitel launched in Cali the first WiMAX network of Colombia.[citation needed]
    * In January 20, 2006, Colombian company Telecom launched a PRE-WiMAX network in Bucaramanga. Orbitel, ETB and Telecom hold 3.5 GHz licences for the entire country. Nowadays other cities with WiMAX are Cali, Bogot, Ccuta, Barranquilla, Cartagena and Medelln.[citation needed]

    Congo

    * Elix has deployed a citywide WiMAX network in the city of Kinshasa, using licensed spectrum at 3.5 GHz.[citation needed]

    Congo, Democratic Republic of

    * GLNet operates a citywide 802.16d Fixed WiMAX network in the city of Kinshasa and Lubumbashi, using the licensed spectrum of 3.5 GHz.[citation needed]

    Costa Rica

    * Radiografica Costarricense S.A. (RACSA, a part of the state owned Grupo ICE) started offering the service on the second week of 2008.[3]

    Croatia

    * Novi-net offers WiMAX in Međimurje county, Dubrovnik telekom in Dubrovnik[citation needed]
    * Optima Telekom have operating WiMAX with Siemens equipment in Osijek, Rijeka, Split, Cakovec, Opatija, Valpovo and Djakovo but getting out of business.
    * WiMAX Telecom started to build network with Alcatel-Lucent equipment.3.5 GHz frequencies .
    * OiV just get licences.

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    Denmark

    * Despite of government reluctance to allow private companies to use the WiMAX frequency ranges, a few companies are using the WiMAX technologies with different frequencies. For private customers, the largest cities are covered by ClearWire, while Butler Networks delivers WiMAX access to business customers through other telecommunication providers.

    Dominican Republic

    * Since October 2007, the first WiMAX ISP Onemax delivers both telephony and internet access, using licenced spectrum at 3.5 GHz, to both home and business customers in Santo Domingo. Also, TRICOM ([2]) it is currently offering WiMAX services to its business customers, on a first implementation phase (town Bavaro; also the municipalities of Haina, Santo Domingo Oeste, Santo Domingo Norte and Greater Santo Domingo). Recently, there's a third WiMAX provider, Wind Telecom ([3]), that offers not only telephony and data, but also subscription-based digital television broadcasting.

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    Egypt

    * The National Telecom Regulatory Authority (NTRA) issues WiMAX licensed bands to companies requiring license for using the technology for data transfer.

    Estonia

    * A total of 4 licenses in the 3.5-3.6 GHz range have been issued to 5 companies. Three of them (Norby Telecom, Baltic Broadband and Tele2) have national-wide licenses and two companies (Levira and Elion) share the same frequency, but Elion can use it only in Tallinn and Harjumaa region and Levira in the whole country except of Tallinn and Harjumaa.
    * Norby Telecom was the first WiMAX operator in Estonia, started in September, 2005. At the moment Norby covers more than 50% of the country, mostly in rural regions, but has partial coverage in Tallinn and its suburbs. Norby utilizes fixed wireless equipment provided by Alvarion and offers speeds up to 2 Mbit/s with external antenna.
    * Baltic Broadband AS - develops BaltMAX brand for its WiMAX network, started it in November, 2005. Network covers almost all of Tallinn with some neighbour districts and residential suburb (Coverage Map). BaltMAX offers fixed and nomadic internet access on Navini Networks equipment, which includes desktop modems without external antennas and PC cards. The highest speed BaltMAX can suggest is 768 kbit/s.

    Ethiopia

    * The incumbent operator (and state-owned monopoly) ETC has deployed a fixed WiMAX network in the capital city of Addis Abeba using the 3.5 GHz band.

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    Finland

    * There are some 15 WiMAX operators in Finland spread throughout the country. The coverage is mainly concentrated on the rural areas and Lapland.
    * SuomiCom has a network in the Helsinki Metropolitan Area, Turku and Jyvskyl.
    * Kainuun Puhelinosuuskunta has a large network print on rural areas near Kajaani.
    * Coverage maps of all Finnish WiMAX networks.

    France

    * Iliad, owner of the Free (French ISP), is currently, and since 2005, the only owner of a national level license.
    * Altitude Telecom as deployed WiMAX in rural areas of France, covering several French departments. One of such successful deployments is ZeVillagein Orne, first departmental deployment in 2004.
    * Maxtel also has an offer.
    * Any-Port Uses unlicensed 2.4 and 5.4 GHz bands to provide wireless broadband to the yachting community on the French, Italian and Spanish Rivieras.
    * HDRR, a subsidiary of TDF has announced the deployment of mobile WiMAX in the Loiret region of France.
    * Supernet Technologies India(An RT Networx Company)[4] has announced the deployment of 3.5 and 5.8 GHz WiMAX in the city of St. Medard southern region of France.

    Fiji: Welcome to Unwired Fiji

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    Georgia

    * VTEL-Georgia, The company utilizes spectrum in the 2.3 GHz band to operate a WiMAX network in 802.16e standard. Commercial operation in four major cities has been started in December, 2008. VTEL-Georgia has embarked on a three-year plan to cover the country under the brand name Maximali.
    * ServiceLine, working in 5.3 GHz band, currently operates in Batumi, for now in technical mode. Full commercial operation and rollout is estimated in 2008.

    Germany

    * Deutsche Breitband Dienste (DBD), started its commercial WiMAX operation in Berlin in November 2005 under its brand MAXXonair using WiMAX equipment from Airspan Networks. Several networks in Wuppertal, Dresden, Leipzig, Laatzen were deployed in 2006, other cities followed in 2007: Magdeburg, Dessau. The same company has deployed networks in rural areas under its brand DSLonair. German telco Arcor operates a commercial WiMAX network in Kaiserslautern since December 2005. Both companies use 3.5 GHz WLL licenses with WiMAX technology.
    * In December 2006 3.4-3.6 GHz band broadband wireless access (BWA) licenses were issued through an auction by the federal regulator Bundesnetzagentur. Clearwire, Inquam and DBD now hold licences for the entire country, 2 smaller companies hold regional licenses. These licenses are designed for the use with WiMAX technology.

    Greece

    * OTE claims to have set-up two large pilot WiMAX networks in operation in Attiki and one in Mount Athos and to be planning nationwide deployment. [5] As of now, no availability, pricing, or expected dates of commercial deployment have been announced.

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    India

    Though India do not have any B2C WiMAX network few companies are doing on experimental basis, some of them are:

    * BSNL Launches Wireless Broadband in Gujarat
    * Chennai WiMAX-ed by Aircel Aircel Business Solution (ABS), a part of Aircel, becomes the first company in India to launch WiMAX and one among the five global operators to achieve this feat.
    * Reliance Launches WiMAX Services for consumers in Bangalore & Pune on July 4
    * [6] VSNL launched India's First WiMAX services (for Business right now)
    * BSNL launches WiMAX services in 10 cities across India. They plan to further launch services in 1,000 cities by 2007 end
    * VSNL Tata Indicom WiMAX Broadband available for consumers
    * Jaipur is all set to go the WiMAX way
    * BSNL introduces WiMAX in Goa

    Iran

    * Laser Telecom Based on 802.16d

    The first WiMAX Network deployed in Iran, with 80% coverage of Tehran. Provides VPN Service to Banks and Insurance companies.

    * Pars-Online Based on 802.16e

    Indonesia

    * The Indonesian government announced on January 22, 2009 two ministry decrees and three regulations releasing spectrum at 2.3GHz and 3.3GHz for wireless broadband access across all regions of Indonesia. This means Indonesia will using 2.3-GHz band for the Wimax 16.e standard while 3.3-GHz will be used for the 16.d standard.[4]
    * Indonesia already able to build their own total solution for Wimax including chips [5] and equipments [6][7]
    * TRG, HARIFF, LEN and XIRKA are major Wimax vendors from Indonesia.
    * Wimax trial had been heald by Indonesian government in mid-October 2008 to provide internet broadband in the Bandung area. [8]
    * Based on trial and local content requisites, two vendors (TRG & HARIFF) had been approved by indonesian government to sell Wimax 16.d equipment to the operators who won wimax 16.d license.
    * XIRKA is focusing their business in Wimax chipset.
    * TRG, HARIFF & LEN are preparing their product for Wimax 16.e Auction.
    * Commercial deployment planned in 2009. [9]
    * In July 2009, Indonesian government had announcement the winner of Wimax 16.d license in 15 zones. [10]The winner for each region are:
    o Zone 1 covering North Sumatera region, won by PT First Media Tbk.
    o Zone 2 covering Center Sumatera region, won by PT Berca Hardaya Perkasa.
    o Zone 3 covering South Sumatera region, won by PT Berca Hardaya Perkasa.
    o Zone 4 covering Banten, Jakarta, Bogor, Tanggerang & Bekasi, won by PT First Media.
    o zone 5 covering west Java, won by PT Comtronic System and PT Adiwarta Perdana.
    o Zone 6 covering center Java, won by PT Telkom.
    o Zone 7 covering east Java, won by PT Comtronic System dan PT Adiwarta Perdana.
    o Zone 8 covering Bali and NTB, won by PT Berca Hardaya Perkasa.
    o Zone 9 covering Papua, won by PT Telkom.
    o Zone 10 covering Maluku won by PT Telkom.
    o Zone 11 covering south Sulawesi, won by PT Berca Hardaya Perkasa.
    o Zone 12 covering North Sulawesi, won by PT Telkom.
    o Zone 13 covering west Kalimantan, won by PT Berca Hardaya Perkasa.
    o Zone 14 covering east Kalimantan, won by PT Berca Hardaya Perkasa.
    o Zone 15 covering Riau, won by PT Berca Hardaya Perkasa.
    * Wimax 16.e auction will be start in 2010 and announced in 2011.[11]

    Ireland

    * Irish Broadband
    * National University of Ireland, Maynooth Public Mobile WiMAX (802.16e) Network (July 2008)
    * Intel Ireland WiMAX Trials

    Italy

    * Italian Ministry of Defense currently holds the 3.5 GHz band, and is about to free the band through auctions in order to let the Government sell licences. Bloggers and members of consumers associations have started protests against this way of assigning the frequencies.[12] The members of the unofficial Italian Pirate Party are currently organizing a Googlebombing.[13] The Ministry of Defense released the band and recentely Ministry of Communications has announced that WiMAX licences contest will be in Septemper 2007 or nearly. All licenses available were awarded to different operators in an auction ended on 27 February 2008. Public services should start soon.

    The most important operators (November 2008) are:

    * Aria (for all Italian region)
    * Linkem
    * E-via (only north Italy)
    * Telecom Italia (only south Italy)

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    Jamaica

    * Digicel has deployed an 802.16d network.

    Japan

    * UQ Communications is a telecommunications company in Japan that provides nationwide WiMAX service. On Feb. 26, 2009, UQ started its mobile WiMAX service in Tokyo, Yokohama, and Kawasaki. The highest speed WiMAX can suggest is 40 Mbit/s down and 7.2 Mbit/s up. Among UQ investors are Intel Capital Corporation, East Japan Railway Company, KYOCERA Corporation, The Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ, Ltd. and others.[14]
    * YOZAN Inc. uses WiMAX as a backbone for its public Wi-Fi service.

    Jordan

    * Umniah Mobile Company recently acquired a WiMAX license in the 3.5 band.

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    Kenya

    * AccessKenya has used WiMAX for its broadband residential service, Access@Home in the cities of Nairobi and Mombasa. AccessKenya has currently deployed one of the largest WiMAX Network in East Africa[15] .
    * Kenya Data Networks has used WiMAX for schools in remote areas[16] and plans to provide WiMAX service in several cities.[17]
    * Wananchi Online is currently deploying a WiMAX network targeting the SOHO and residential internet market in the country. It is branded Zuku

    Korea(South)

    * WiBro is served by KT and SK Telecom.
    08-02-09 02:58 PM
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    Laos
    Tigo Lao offers internet service over Wimax since April 2008
    Liberia

    * Comium offers internet service over WiMAX using Navini Networks in the Monrovia area.

    Libya

    * Libya Telecom & Technology, the national Internet Service Provider in deployed the first commercial WiMAX network based on the 802.16e-2005 WiMAX standard in Libya. LTT launched the commercial service on the network in January 2008.

    Lithuania

    * UAB "Balticum TV", Lithuanian ISP and CCTV deployed the first commercial WiMAX network based on the 802.16d WiMAX standard in Lithuania in 2008. They deployed WiMAX solution from Alvarion, one of the leading WiMAX vendors in a world.
    * [AB "Lithuanian Radio and Television Centre"], Lithuanian wireless ISP, TV and Radio frequency transmitter is deploying commercial WiMAX network on 3.5GHz. In March of 2009 the network, using Samsung technology, covers Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania and nearby towns.

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    This section may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Please improve this section if you can. (August 2008)

    Malaysia

    * Licences have been awarded to 4 operators, Green Packet Bhd, REDtone International Bhd, YTL e-Solutions Bhd and Asiaspace Dotcom Sdn Bhd to provide WiMAX services, service rollout targeted by 2nd quarter of 2008.
    * Packet One Networks is ready to lead the market by being the first to deploy on the WiMAX 2.3 GHz spectrum in the region and to establish one of the worlds largest mobile WiMAX 2.3Ghz networks. The WiMAX product called P1 W1MAX[7].
    o Official website
    o P1 W1MAX website
    o Packet One Malaysia Calls on Alcatel-Lucent for 2.3 GHz WiMAX Network
    o Packet One to deploy 3,500 WiFi hotposts in Kuala Lumpur
    o WiMAX Forum Member Companies
    * YTL e-Solutions Bhd, YMax, which is a technology incubator listed on the Mesdaq Market of the Bursa Malaysia (Stock Code: 0009). YTL e-Solutions represents one of the YTL Group's relatively newer organically grown business activities. YTL e-Solutions through its subsidiary, Y-Max Networks Sdn Bhd (formerly known as Bizsurf (M) Sdn Bhd), YTLe holds a Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access (WiMAX) licence for a 2.3 GHz wireless broadband access spectrum, which was awarded by the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC) to roll out a nationwide WiMAX network in Peninsular Malaysia.
    * Asiaspace Dotcom Sdn Bhd, AMAX
    * REDtone International Bhd, Redtone-CNX

    Macedonia

    * National licences have been awarded to 2 operators, Cosmoline Greece and Nexcom Macedonia www.nexcom.com.mk to provide fixed WiMAX services, service roll out targeted by end of 2007.
    * Neotel is currently offering Wimax Internet and telephony in all major cities through out the country.

    Malta

    * Three licences in 3.5 GHz band awarded by the Malta Communications Authority to Vodafone, Go Mobile, Cellcom in Oct 2005. Only Vodafone has commercially launched a broadband and VOIP service over WiMAX in July 2007 and will have country wide coverage by end November 2007.

    Mexico

    * In October 2005 Axtel commercialized WiMAX for Monterrey city.
    * Ultranet2go provides WiMAX services in four states: Veracruz, Puebla, Tamaulipas and Aguascalientes.
    * The Universidad de Guadalajara, in collaboration with the Government of Jalisco; has begun the development of a WiMAX network in the state of Jalisco, which will provide free internet access to the population, as well as a better communications infrastructure for the government through a new intranet system.

    Mongolia

    * Since March 2005 company Ulusnet is providing WiMAX solution for Ulaanbaatar city.

    Montenegro

    * Licences have been awarded to 4 operators: T-Mobile, Broadband Montenegro, m:tel and ProMonte to provide WiMAX services; service rollout began in October 2007(m:tel).

    Myanmar

    * REDLINK Communication is the first ever service provider company among the private tech companies and deploying WiMAX in the 2.5 GHz spectrum for fixed installation, currently covering Yangon and Mandalay.

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    Namibia

    * MWEB Namibia started (December 2006) deploying WiMAX in the 3.3 GHz spectrum, currently covering the Windhoek area. Expanding to the coastal cities of Swakopmund and Walvis Bay

    The Netherlands

    * On June 17, 2008 Worldmax launched its WiMAX service aerea in Amsterdam on the 3.5 GHz band, the first commercial WiMAX network in Europe. The network is available anywhere inside the A10 motorway, a ringroad around Amsterdam and promises speeds up-to 8 Mbit/s.[18]

    New Zealand

    * nzwireless is deploying WiMAX in the 3.5 GHz spectrum for fixed installation, currently covering the Wellington CBD
    * CallPlus have purchased nationwide 3.5 GHz WiMAX frequency in the recent Government auction. This is run under the wholesale brand Blue Reach.
    * Natcom is deploying a nationwide 2.5 GHz WiMAX

    Nigeria

    Galaxy Wireless, Gmax, Internet Service Provider In abuja, lagos, portharcourt and nigeria Galaxy Wireless Communications Limited has launched Nigerias first portable plug-and-play broadband wireless service, G-MAXTM based on the emerging mobile WiMAX 802.16e standard in Abuja, the capital city and Port Harcourt, Rivers State.

    G-MAXTM is a registered trademark of Galaxy Wireless Communications Limited for its product lines that best combine mobility with high data rates and ease of use by providing and offering a scalable, nationwide wireless broadband access network.

    The G-MAXTM brand provides fixed and mobile wireless broadband Internet and data services at highly affordable costs designed to massively increase Internet penetration in Nigeria. It is the first plug-and-play nomadic broadband solution in Nigeria based on a hybrid of the Smart AntennaTM, Multi Carrier Wireless Information Local LoopTM and emerging WiMAX technologies.

    * XS Broadband has WiMAX licenses for 24 of the 36 Nigerian states, including the major cities. Networks have been deployed in most major cities to serve banks, enterprises and other applications.

    Welcome to Netcom Netcom Africa operates MyNetcom wireless broadband in Lagos, which is the highest speed and most reliable Wireless Broadband Service in Lagos.

    Norway

    * Telenor is deploying WiMAX mainly in the Trndelag area and in Western Norway.

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    Pakistan

    Currently, Pakistan has the largest fully functional WiMAX network in the world. Wateen Telecom installed the network (with an initial rollout in seventeen cities) throughout Pakistan using Motorola hardware.

    * Wi-Tribe Wi-Tribe Pakistan brings together two shareholders Qatar Telecom (Qtel) and Saudi-based A.A. Turki Group of Companies (ATCO) along with the partnership of Clearwire International in WiMAX deployment in Pakistan.Commercial launch is expected during 2009. Motorola will supply award-winning equipment from its WiMAX portfolio including the WAP 400 WiMAX access point, which features diversity MIMO antenna capabilities to enable strong indoor penetration.
    * Wateen Deployed world's first and largest nationwide WiMAX network.
    * Mobilink Infinity Pakistan's Second WiMAX network with operations in the South region currently. It has three access vendors (Huawei, Motorola and Alcatel-Lucent), all of which use Juniper Network's centralized AAA (SBR), SRC (Policy management), and BSR (dynamic subscriber management). Operations are being expanded to other parts of the country as well.
    * Pakistan plans largest mobile WiMAX rollout
    * Dancom to establish Pakistans first WiMAX Network with Redlines RedMAX
    * Pakistan to Get 'World's Largest' WiMAX Network
    * WiMAX trial in Pakistan

    Panama

    * WIPET is the first Company to deploy a WiMAX network in Panama beginning in January 2008 and covering Panama City and Coronado Beach. Wipet is using IEEE 802.16e.

    Paraguay

    * Tigo Banda Ancha is currently using a WiMAX network, with a minimum plan of 41US$ per 64 kbit/s 24x7. They use Alvarion.
    * Hipuu / Nucleo was the first to deploy a WiMAX network in Paraguay. They use RedMAX from Redline Communications.

    Peru

    * Telmex x-plor@ is currently using a WiMAX network offering voice and data services from $ 62 (300 min local/long distance, 400 kbit/s internet) in many cities.

    Philippines

    * Globe Telecoms Launched WiMax for home broadband @ 512kbps

    Poland

    * Netia networks in about 50 Cities
    * NASK ~5 Cities
    * Crowley Data Poland
    * SferaNET

    Puerto Rico

    * Volare PR has deployed a WiMAX network over the western part of the island starting in Mayaguez and Cabo Rojo.

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    Russia

    * Enforta Operates the network in the 68 largest capitals of Russia with total population 55M. Uses Alvarion and InfiNet Wireless, and Airspan equipment operating in 3.5 GHz and 5.2 GHz for its WiMAX network. Invested by Bessemer Venture Partners, Sumitomo Corporation, Barring Vostok Private Equity, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD). Broadband Internet access plans start from $20 US per month.
    * Mirkin Group[citation needed] with registrations in U.S., Russia, and China - the company aims to provide Free WiMAX connection for individual use. Company uses unlicensed spectrum in remote exurban cities. It has a content distribution as a long-term business model.
    * Summa Telecom currently holds national 2.52.7 GHz license. Now company are deploying first WiMAX Network in Dagestan.
    * Synterra WiMAX uses equipment from Nextnet Wireless (acquired by Motorola in July 2006) for its WiMAX network in Moscow region. Synterra holds 2.5-2.7 GHz license valid until 2015. Unlimited Internet access plans start from $85 US per month.
    * Yota currently testing WiMAX network in downtown Moscow, in metropolitan area of St. Petersburg and in Ufa with a plan of city wide coverage and commercial by the end of June 2009.
    * Comstar offers WiMAX in Moscow.

    Romania

    * Radiocom

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    Saudi Arabia

    * Mobily After the acquisition of Bayanat Al Oula, Mobily is now offering Broadband@Home service which is based on WiMAX 802.16e network, *GO Telecom (Etihad Atheeb) has also acquired a 3.5GHz frequency spectrum across 13 regional divisions of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to provide advanced fixed line services
    * Integrated Telecom Company

    Serbia

    * Media Works holds 3.5 GHz licences and has deployed fixed WiMAX network in late 2006. Portable WiMAX has been deployed on 20 February 2008, and its commercial use is expected by the end of March, 2008.

    Singapore

    * QMax has deployed and commercialized on 2.3 GHz licenses.
    * Pacific Internet has launched @irpower for enterprise users on 2.5 GHz licenses.

    Slovakia

    * WiMAX Telecom holds 3.5 GHz licences.

    Slovenia

    On October 3 2006 APEK has issued two WiMAX licences:

    * Telekom Slovenije - Telekom connected first WiMAX bradband user on March 30 2007.
    * Tok telekomunikacije, which was acquired by TU Telekom (former Volja.net) and then sold to the American company Winvest Inc.

    South Africa

    * Telecoms Regulator ICASA has only issued four licences for commercial WiMAX services: to wireless broadband solutions provider iBurst, state-owned signal distributor Sentech, second network operator Neotel, [Amatole Telecommunication Services] (under serviced area license holder in S.A. and Telkom, all on the 3.5 GHz band.

    * Telkom has a 512 kbit/s service available [8] for R240 a month. This excludes data, which must be purchased separately from an ISP. It is priced below the 512 kbit/s DSL offering (R326 p/m excluding voice line rental).
    * Internet Solutions (the biggest Commercial ISP in South Africa) and M-Web have also completed independent trials and await ICACA's license issuing.

    Spain

    * Eurona small operator born in Catalunya and with deployments all over the country. Eurona deploys wimax 802.16d equipment giving services to rural areas and small cities with services from 18 euros for residencial users to simetric services of over 20 Mbps for companies. Eurona is also completint its offer with phone lines and VOip services. [9]
    * Euskaltel, the cable operator from the Basque Country. The initial project includes broadband to rural areas with prices between 22 euros a month for 300 kbit/s and 39 euros for 1 Mbit/s. A phone line costs additional 13.75 euros. [10] (in Spanish).
    * Iberbanda bought by Telefnica in 2006, has the largest number of customers. Their contract free price is 39 euros for 512 kbit/s, 70 euros for 1 Mbit/s and additional 10 euros for a phone line. Iberbanda offers three contract options Avi (only internet for 39 euro/month), AviPack (internet and phone line for 39 euro/month) and AviPlus (internet and phone service only for businesses for 70 euro/month). [11].
    * In the past, aL offered WiMAX to corporate customers.

    Sri Lanka

    * Dialog Telekom began commercial operations in late 2006 and offers speeds of up to 4 Mbit/s. Sri Lanka Telecom has also launched test transmission in certain areas. However there are problems as the local pay television operator Comet Cable uses some of the WiMAX bandwidths.
    * Lanka Bell launched commercial operations in early 2008.
    * SUNTEL has started the Wi-Max BroadBand

    Sweden

    * Telia Sonera has installed WiMAX in 21 counties.
    * MobileCity has deployed WiMAX in 19 municipalities.

    Senegal

    * Sanfil Networks,WiMAX Deployment planned in 2010
    * [12]

    [edit] T

    Taiwan

    * Chunghwa Telecom announced it will partner with Nortel to build Taiwan's first integrated local government mobile WiMAX network in Yilan, providing county-wide broadband wireless access. It will be based on IEEE 802.16e.
    * Global Mobile was incorporated in October 2007 after winning the WiMAX operator license for Taiwan. Global Mobile strives to become a world-class mobile broadband service provider, providing innovative and state-of-the-art telecommunication services. The investors consist of content and WiMAX technology manufacturers who share the common vision in providing next generation mobility services with rich and intuitive content that is affordable for the masses.

    [edit] U

    UAE

    * etisalat UAE based provider currently has Wi-max in the Umm-Suqeim region of Dubai. However this is not yet a public service and is only given to those customers who the tele-communications provider can not allocate an ISDN or Broadband service.

    Uganda

    * MTN Uganda has installed a country wide WiMAX solution starting from June 2007. This installation uses the BreezeCOM solution from Alvarion.

    UK

    * eeWifi UK service provider. Have been experimenting for some time with WiMAX, and have been using WiMAX in the 5.8GHz band for some time. Are considering rolling out a high speed WiMAX service from all of their main dealer locations.
    * Wi-Manx Isle of Man based service provider, holds a 3.6-3.8 GHz licence and was the first to launch a commercial, licensed WiMAX service in the UK.
    * FREEDOM4 (formerly known as Pipex Wireless), is one of the two official license holders in the UK. FREEDOM4 holds 3.6 GHz licensed spectrum and is deploying WiMAX throughout the UK. Their first launch took place in Milton Keynes in December 2007. FREEDOM4's WiMAX coverage is supplemented by over 4,000 WiFi hotspots in the UK through FREEDOM4 WiFi.
    * UK Broadband a subsidiary of PCCW, owns 3.5 GHz licences.
    * BT is planning to install six WiMAX antennas and associated equipment on the tallest building in Newcastle upon Tyne.
    * On the London to Brighton railway line, Nomad Digital and T-Mobile have implemented a trackside WiMAX network that supports Passenger Internet Communications through on train Wi-Fi Access Points. A similar system is expected to be deployed soon on the West Coast Main Line.
    * Metranet, Brighton provide connectivity to Brighton and Hove City Council and the University of Sussex amongst others and have achieved speeds of up to 1Mb/sec.

    Ukraine

    * Ukrainian High Technologies Ltd (the trade mark AlterNet) holds the license for 3.4-3.7 GHz range and currently operates WiMAX networks in Kiev, Lviv and Kharkiv based on Intel PRO/Wireless 5116 client terminals. AlterNet plans to cover all Ukraine's regional centers (26 cities) by 2007.

    USA

    * Blue Communications LLC holds a nationwide WIMAX licence. Blue Communications is currently in phase one buildout in the SE Michigan market with plans to expand to the further great lakes region by 2Q2010.
    * Conxx offers Multi-Service Wireless Networks
    * AT&T Alascom is offering the latest in broadband technology in Alaska. Deployments have been launched in Anchorage & Juneau areas.
    * DigitalBridge Communications launched the first commercially available WiMAX network in the United States in 2007 under the name BridgeMAXX and holds 2.5 GHz licenses in several regions. Current Deployments are in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Indiana, South Dakota, and Virginia.
    * MetroBridge Networks serves businesses in Arizona and Greater Seattle with connections up to 2.5 Mbit/s.
    * Nth Air holds a nationwide 3.65 GHz license. Nth Air is currently deployed in California and Nevada with expanding footprint across the nation.
    * Sprint Nextel holds licences in the 2.5 GHz band sprint currently introduced its first WiMAX operation in Baltimore under the brand name XOHM.
    * Clearwire holds 2.5 GHz licences in several regions, and is running a test market in the Northwestern United States in preparation to deploy a nationwide network to rival the other nationwide carriers. In May 2008, Sprint Nextel announced a plan to merge their WiMAX operation under the Clearwire name, with additional investment from five other technology companies.[19]
    * NextWave Wireless holds licences in the 1.7 GHz and 2.1 GHz band.
    * NextPhase Wireless holds a national WiMAX license and LMDS in broad coverage areas over Atlanta, Southern California (Los Angeles), Miami/Fort Lauderdale and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania/Wilmington, Delaware/Trenton, New Jersey.
    * Xanadoo operates Navini Networks-based pre-WiMAX networks in the 2.5 GHz spectrum in 6 markets in the midwest.
    * Open Range Communications will build a 17-state WiMAX network providing wireless broadband to 500+ un-served and underserved rural American communities.[20]
    * Conterra in Columbia, SC, Charlotte, NC, and nearby areas.
    * Quad-Cities Online will use 2.5 GHz spectrum in Illinois.[21]
    * RazzoLink carries WiMAX and pre WiMAX throughout Monterey County, California on the 2.5/2.6 GHz band.
    * Rapid Systems uses WiMAX in the Tampa Bay metro area on the 3.5 GHz band.
    * Zing Networksis testing a new WiMAX Network in the Greater Metro Detroit Area
    * Sling Broadband Wimax broadband operator in the Greater Miami Wimaxand Fort Lauderdale Wimax Metro Area offering Wireless Metro Ethernet, Business T1 Service and Wireless Broadband Service
    * Towerstream offers WiMAX-based internet service to businesses in 9 US cities, including Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Providence, San Francisco and Seattle

    Uzbekistan

    * Max Line offers WiMAX-based Internet access and VPN service for corporate clients in Tashkent.

    [edit] V

    Venezuela

    * Movilmax has deployed WiMAX to the IEEE 802.16e standard in Caracas and is the first which operates in 2.5 GHz in the world. Movilmax has a strategic alliance with Samsung Electronics Co. and started commercialization in July 2007 with CPE modem and PCMCIA laptop cards.
    08-02-09 02:58 PM
  3. thedarkfinder's Avatar
    [edit] Z

    Zambia

    * Africonnect Zambia Ltd. has deployed WiMAX (IEEE 802.16d standard) in Lusaka, Livingstone, Kitwe, Ndola and several other towns in Zambia using Motorola Expedience equipment. The network is still expanding, both within as well as outside Lusaka.

    sorry it took 3 post of 20,000 characters to post all the wimax carriers by country.

    Wimax is already out and reasonably safe.


    But I will use this post to list lte,

    0-But promised in early 2008, late 2008, early 2009, mid 2009, late 2009, early 2010, and mid 2010, and counting.
    08-02-09 03:02 PM
  4. beloved1228's Avatar
    Hmmm the sim card thing interests me.... I got a back up storm and with it came a Sim card in it.... anyone else had this happen or any ideas?
    08-02-09 03:09 PM
  5. DesertDogs's Avatar
    And most of those aren't cross-compatible.

    Do you get all of your info from Wikipedia? Especially one that is full of [Citation needed] notes?

    Any eight-year old can post to Wikipedia. And for your claims of Intel support, is Intel starting their own service? No, Intel supports it because it is compatible with Atom netbooks.

    Give us reality that we can use instead of cluttering a thread with Wikipedia cuts and pastes. I believe doing that is against the rules here anyhow.

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    Last edited by DesertDogs; 08-02-09 at 03:12 PM.
    08-02-09 03:10 PM
  6. thedarkfinder's Avatar
    And most of those aren't cross-compatible.

    Do you get all of your info from Wikipedia? Especially one that is full of [Citation needed] notes?

    Any eight-year old can post to Wikipedia. And for your claims of Intel support, is Intel starting their own service? No, Intel supports it because it is compatible with Atom netbooks.

    Give us reality that we can use instead of cluttering a thread with Wikipedia cuts and pastes. I believe doing that is against the rules here anyhow.

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    If you eight year old want to post about wimax carriers then good for him. I posted the text because, the link would just be ignored.

    Intel along with dozens of other companies build the cards and hard ware for wimax.

    The point of the post is clear. wimax is available around the world.

    LTE is vapor ware that has been out for 2 years. And not one major city test, as far as I know.


    Oh and personal attacks, saying that I am breaking the forums rules and cluttering the post, is only only real rebuttal is just sad. It just shows that you care more about what you feel and your fanboy-ism, then the actual facts. I am not here to convert you.

    I will, how ever, correct someone when they are posting about something that they have really no clue.

    The poster I was responding to, said that
    1.)wimax is dead, rebutted that with a 3 part post of all carriers of wimax.
    2.)wimax is unsafe compared to lte, lte is not available so no comparison can be made.


    It did adress that topic which is on topic.



    http://forums.crackberry.com/f39/pos...uidelines-113/
    Last edited by thedarkfinder; 08-02-09 at 03:31 PM.
    08-02-09 03:23 PM
  7. awu2's Avatar
    LTE is an all IP network. Most, if not all, GSM providers will be upgrading their network to utilize this "4G" technology.
    Publicly, most major carriers in the United States, Canada, China, Japan, and many of the major European Countries have confirmed that they will be supporting and implementing LTE. Globally this is not surprising as most networks are GSM, but the fact that Verizon (US largest network, CDMA) is adopting LTE shows just how promising it is. There ARE indeed LTE hotspots being used right now by Cox, Bell, and Rogers I believe. Verizon will be rolling LTE out in at least 2 major cities by the end of the year (if not done so already). Other carriers plan on implementing/testing within 2 years (yeah, 2 MORE years sadly).

    ATT will also be implementing LTE but in the meantime plan on rolling out upgrades to their GSM network, HSUPA and HSPA+. This is why they are going to be late joining the LTE party, we will have to see if this will be for better or for worse.

    There are currently no LTE devices on the market, or any that are feasible to use as a day-to-day phone at least. And don't expect many to be announced anytime soon either, especially none that would be acceptable or up to the standard that most crackberry users have.
    08-02-09 03:47 PM
  8. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    You really don't want me to start shooting holes not only in that very flawed Wiki-bit, but also your argument.

    I have installed both LTE equipment and WiMAX equipment. LTE has not only been tested, it is functioning well in many locations. It is far from vaporware.

    In every area where WiMAX has been installed, it is far from satisfactory - the mention of Portland, a couple of posts up, indicates some of the issues. Portland is no longer a "test-market" - rather, it is currently the densest WiMAX install region out there. And Clearwire is mostly done with Portland.

    Without getting too technical, WiMAX runs on a high UHF frequency - 1.9 to 3.8GHz. As anyone who really knows radio can tell you, the higher the frequency, the more line-of-sight it is, and it requires transmitters or relays much closer together. What Clearwire and others have found is that they cannot get around this. Originally planned for retrofit to existing tower facilities, this leaves a lot of holes in the coverage area. So they need more facilities, which means more real estate, more permits, more construction, more everything.

    The equipment for WiMAX is half what it costs for LTE, but all other components, from install to infrastructure to maintenance to labor, remain similar. Problem is, WiMAX needs multiple facilities for each LTE facility.

    700-800MHz means you can get away with a high cell tower about every six to eight miles, a low tower about every three to four. 2GHz means you need high towers every two to three miles and low towers every mile or less for seamless coverage.

    WiMAX is cheap for populated areas, which is why Comcast and some other bit players have adopted it. Try nationwide and there is no way. If you're going to hang in downtown Portland, fine. But if you want to get out into the real world, there is no way WiMAX will ever compete.

    And contrary to your very dated information, LTE is in good shape as far as real world testing - while I can easily intercept your WiMAX transmissions.

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    08-02-09 03:52 PM
  9. MureEtMusc's Avatar
    The point of the post is clear. wimax is available around the world.

    LTE is vapor ware that has been out for 2 years. And not one major city test, as far as I know.
    Verizon is currently running LTE trials, and is seeing 60 Mbps speeds (as opposed to 4-6 Mbps Sprint/Clear WiMAX speeds): Verizon Wireless: 4G LTE trials showing 50 to 60 Mbps download rates | Between the Lines | ZDNet.com

    Also, Verizon is launching LTE in Boston and Seattle by the end of 2009, with at least 30 cities planned for Q1 2010 and 100 million POPs by the end of 2010, with full build-out by the end of 2012/early 2013 (up from the original end of 2013/mid-2014 date): Verizon To Test LTE In Seattle And Boston - Carrier hopes to cover 100 million POPs eventually... - dslreports.com

    This makes me wonder... will a lot of these 30 initial VZW 4G cities be existing Verizon FiOS Internet cities to take advantage of existing back end and fiber infrastructure? After all, FiOS is available in the Boston and Seattle metros... me thinks so.
    08-02-09 04:02 PM
  10. awu2's Avatar
    Verizon is currently running LTE trials, and is seeing 60 Mbps speeds (as opposed to 4-6 Mbps Sprint/Clear WiMAX speeds): Verizon Wireless: 4G LTE trials showing 50 to 60 Mbps download rates | Between the Lines | ZDNet.com

    Also, Verizon is launching LTE in Boston and Seattle by the end of 2009, with at least 30 cities planned for Q1 2010 and 100 million POPs by the end of 2010, with full build-out by the end of 2012/early 2013 (up from the original end of 2013/mid-2014 date): Verizon To Test LTE In Seattle And Boston - Carrier hopes to cover 100 million POPs eventually... - dslreports.com

    This makes me wonder... will a lot of these 30 initial VZW 4G cities be existing Verizon FiOS Internet cities to take advantage of existing back end and fiber infrastructure? After all, FiOS is available in the Boston and Seattle metros... me thinks so.
    Yup it should be. I won't even pretend I know any details, but the one that I do know is that they are currently using fiber network to string up the LTE towers in Boston.
    08-02-09 04:15 PM
  11. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    This makes me wonder... will a lot of these 30 initial VZW 4G cities be existing Verizon FiOS Internet cities to take advantage of existing back end and fiber infrastructure? After all, FiOS is available in the Boston and Seattle metros... me thinks so.
    That is part of it - fiber-optic backhaul is specified by VZW for LTE, while much of the WiMAX installs are on composite, hybrid or copper. There are already many LTE sites re
    Ady to go, awaiting fiber.

    The thing is, none of the carriers rely on their own backhaul. You can find AT&T towers connected to VZ or Frontier lines, VZW towers connected through AT&T, Level 3, Qwest facilities. VZW recently signed agreements to facilitate fiber transmission to all of their LTE installs, while Sprint outsourced their network operations.

    VZW & AT&T are in it for the long haul, while Sprint is just hanging on. Sprint's fortunes took a serious hit when they mis-forecast which way the market would head. They thought VZW would go WiMAX, leaving AT&T with LTE. When VZW went LTE, Sprint was left out in the cold. It is now difficult to see Sprint remaining viable beyond 5 years out, except as an extreme niche player.

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    08-02-09 04:21 PM
  12. DesertDogs's Avatar
    I just look at it all like we should just pat the Sprint/wimax supporters on the head and smile, for they know not what they are saying.

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    08-02-09 04:24 PM
  13. jahoobob's Avatar
    From what I understand, LTE phones will also be 2.5/3G compatible so they will be able to fall back to the older standard when 4G is spotty and that WiMax has no such fall back. Is this true?
    08-02-09 04:50 PM
  14. MureEtMusc's Avatar
    From what I understand, LTE phones will also be 2.5/3G compatible so they will be able to fall back to the older standard when 4G is spotty and that WiMax has no such fall back. Is this true?
    Sprint is planning combo EV-DO/WiMAX handsets for early 2010, and already has a combo modem out.

    There's still problems, though... it's still incompatible WiMAX, and it's still Sprint. And VZW will probably have LTE handsets out by then. Maybe even the world's first 4G BlackBerry?
    08-02-09 06:12 PM
  15. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    From what I understand, LTE phones will also be 2.5/3G compatible so they will be able to fall back to the older standard when 4G is spotty and that WiMax has no such fall back. Is this true?
    Not really a fallback - the devices will be dual or multi mode. It is conceivable we may see devices that are CDMA/LTE/GSM compatible. Sprint WiMAX phones will have to be at least dual-mode, else they will not work everywhere - even locally.

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    08-02-09 06:23 PM
  16. thedarkfinder's Avatar
    I really understand that people here are paid write thing I get that.


    But I was in Las vegas for defcon and blackhat. You know, 1.2 mbs was not that bad. It was only a test market, was limited in coverage, but not bad.

    I have seen wimax do 40 mbs.

    Anyone care to explain how lte is going to tranfer voice and data over the same connection. How it is going to slow down, every time someone decides to place a call.

    All voice/data transfers through the 700mhz. So more people talking and using the data, the slower the connection goes.

    Wimax can use many different bands, and sub-bands. lte 1.

    Wimax starts to slow down, it just shift traffic to one of 60 different channels. Lte starts to slow down it is stuck with 1.

    But in the end wimax and lte are not meant to be competing against each other.

    They are two different technologies.
    Wimax is an upgrade to your wireless cards, pcs, routers, and data devices.

    It is meant to be wireless broadband.

    LTE is just for your phone. It is meant to be the next generation from 3g.

    Wimax is not really 4g, but IEEE 802.16e.

    One last thing.

    "700-800MHz means you can get away with a high cell tower about every six to eight miles, a low tower about every three to four. 2GHz means you need high towers every two to three miles and low towers every mile or less for seamless coverage."

    You install them, but you do not understand them? Why?

    CommsDesign | Practical tips on making WiMAX field measurements, Part 1
    "Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access (WiMAX) digital communications technology is based on wireless transmission methods defined by the IEEE-802.16 air interface standard. Intended for wireless metropolitan area networks, it provides broadband wireless access up to 30 miles for fixed stations, and 3 to 10 miles for mobile stations. "
    08-04-09 03:11 PM
  17. Jim from NW Pa's Avatar
    As I understand, lte will be used for data only

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    08-04-09 03:17 PM
  18. thedarkfinder's Avatar
    oh, one last thing. For the people that just blinded about deployment.

    Click here.

    WiMAX Maps

    Open profile. Click 802.16d and 802.16e. Zoom out. Yea, seems to be about right.

    And more info, please open this.

    http://www.maravedis-bwa.com/Maps_Ta...March_2009.pdf

    Yea seems to be about 140-ish countries. Give or take a few.
    08-04-09 03:28 PM
  19. thedarkfinder's Avatar
    As I understand, lte will be used for data only

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    No, lte is voice and data. You would have to create a phone with two radios, doubling the cost.

    The biggest problem, is that lte has not ratified their protocol. They have nothing solid. Every piece of hardware that is being used is best guess.

    So, they may not have voice. They may have voice. Who knows?

    They are still using SC-FDMA tech. This means that the battery life for the phone would be 1-3 hours.

    They are, according to the above posters, installing tech that has no protocol. They are guessing.


    Wimax can to voice and data on two different radios, because wimax is open source and cost 1/10 of lte hardware.
    08-04-09 03:40 PM
  20. DesertDogs's Avatar
    No, lte is voice and data. You would have to create a phone with two radios, doubling the cost.
    You had me thinking for a bit until I saw that comment. That's when I started picturing a boy blowing smoke out his tail
    pipe.

    It doesn't take two radios to run 800mhz and 1900mhz. It doesn't take two radios to run a Tour. It doesn't take multiple radios to run a quad-band phone. It doesn't take two radios for me to get AM/FM/HDRadio in my car. Even if it did, the cost of the radios is minimal.

    Another false issue you have brought up is that part about not falling back on cdma or even gsm. Both Verizon and AT&T have announced that their lte devices WILL maintain full fallback to legacy voice and initially, the voice will not be on lte until real world testing could ascertain reliability.

    It is well known the lte protocol and standard are complete, except for slight fine tuning with input from the carriers as to what they need and want. This is a far cry from sprint taking a modded wifi standard that is better suited to computers.

    With the limited knowledge I have of the newest technologies, I can call failure on at least three of your claims. And as far as who is being paid, if you're referring to Dad up there, he is immensely qualified, designs/builds/tests and has enough cash to buy this site, lock, stock and barrel. I have seen his work and know what he does. You, on the other hand, are spitting out the extreme conspiracy theories so prevalent on the sprint and wimax fan boards and appear to be paid for your efforts in shoddy claims.

    If wimax was so great and lte so risky, I don't think the two carriers who have over 60% of the American market would have snubbed their noses at wimax for lte no matter what the nuts out there say. Some of the supposed support for wimax is coming from companies like Intel who have a vested interest in wifi or from companies like comcast who see it as an easy way into the local mobile market. Put repeaters into cable boxes and voila, instant network.

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    08-04-09 08:06 PM
  21. 4rch4ngel's Avatar
    Hd-dvd vs. Blu ray anyone. Wimax might be out there. Might work just dandy. Doesn't mean its gonna be there in another year or 2.

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    08-04-09 09:57 PM
  22. koehler104's Avatar
    I would just be happy if I could have 3g near where I live. I live between Cleveland and Columbus Ohio an I've been told by our reps we do not hav 3g

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    08-04-09 10:16 PM
  23. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    I just love people who run around grabbing bits & pieces from Websites, written by people who often don't know more than the corner burger-flipper.

    Just some random tidbits, thought about throughout the evening.

    Theoretical maximum speed, LTE by a 2:1 margin, at today's technologies. And that is using 802.16M for your WiMAX. Under peak loads, the LTE advantage grows exponentially.
    The cheaper equipment factoid applies to the network side. WiMAX costs about 40% of LTE, tops - but there is no difference in the land, the pole/tower/structure, labor, licensing & permits. I know, because I bid the jobs & build them, unlike that burger-flipper you read.

    Of course Intel & other network equipment providers would jump on board with WiMAX. It is notjing more than the 802.16 WiFi standard. Minimal additional investment to sell more netwooks, notebooks, etc. It doesn't cost them much to add WiMAX capability to that NI in that HP laptop - they don't care that you may never use it.

    Sprint CTO Barry West has gone on record admitting WiMAX is much more difficult & costly to deploy than originally thought - this is considered by telecom analysts to be a warning to shareholders & supporters that WiMAX may not pan out to be what was promised. Some analysts (including me) put the cost of a WiMAX tower at roughly 98% that of an LTE tower - along with the need for so many more towers, nationwide coverage of just MSAs of 50,000 population of more would cost many more times Sprint's net worth - and their credit/bond rating hasn't been to rosy lately. Not looking good for the ONLY North American carrier to choose WiMAX.

    Besides - old Barry (I've met him, the arrogant buzzard) bathes in sour grapes.

    Speaking of carrier choices, worldwide carriers representing over 80% of the world's mobile lines of service, who have expressed which technology they would embrace have said they will migrate to LTE, not WiMAX. Of the remainder, about 10% have said they are remeining with what they have for the foreseeable future & about 5% have said they haven't decided yet.

    How about WiMAX backhaul? Mostly Ceragon Networks & DragonWave. Oops, wait - Ceragon's primary business is focused on LTE, with WiMAX offered as a niche technology. Maybe a look at WiMAX network planners? Mainly two there - Forsk & EDX - both of whom do all types of networks. EDX is primarily PC RF planning. One of the major WiMAX players is Vecima Networks - stationary wireless there.

    I can't help but notice some of the so-called "existing WiMAX installs in the world, as if those mean anything. The UAE's Wateen Telecom, well funded, has been trying to push WiMAX without success. Pakistan's PTCL has also been trying - the people don't want it because of shoddy service & easy hacking.

    LTE is not a new technology. It is an update of several of the higher-standard 3G formats - WCDMA, HSDPA, HSUPA & HSPA & is an advancement of UMTS technology with multipathing, MIMO & SIM card support.

    Unlike WiMAX, LTE will also allow eventual auto-roam to low orbit satellite networks.


    Let's look at a few of the "supporters" of WiMAX previously mentioned and their main business, shall we?

    Intel: Computers/Networking

    Comcast: CATV

    Nokia Siemens Betworking: Networking

    Time-Warner: CATV

    Sprint: Communications

    Notice the only communications company in that list is by far the weakest of the "major" mobile carriers, if you can really call Sprint "major" anything.


    Now let's look at the LTE supporters who have said they would bypass WiMAX completely:

    Verizon Wireless: Communications

    Motorola: Communications

    Nokia: Communications

    VZ Comm: Communications

    AT&T: Communications

    China Mobile: Communications

    Huawei: Communications

    ZTE: Communications

    Ericsson: Communications

    Deutsche Telekom: Communications

    T-Mobile: Communications

    Alcatel-Lucent: Communications

    Vodafone: Communications

    Orange: Communications

    There are those -including many WiMAX supporters - who rightly see WiMAX as an untethered DSL alternative & not so much a mobile broadband option.

    If you attended CTIA a few months back, you'd have sung a different tune - I was there, in Las Vegas. In fact, we paid for a dozen of us to go. The buzz was on LTE almost exclusively and the big joke was how Sprint/Clearwire had planned a full WiMAX rollout in time for the show. Uh oh - that rollout finally came what, two weeks ago? And it has been hit with numerous snags, snafus & problems that they don't officially offer it yet. It is apparent their push has been in smaller markets, so they can claim more markets - come on guys, throwing Lubbock & Amarillo, TX into the mix - two hours apart with a total combined population of just a little over 300,000 does not mean squat, especially when you can't use WiMAX between the two. And when you look at the areas it is available in, again, centered only on the highest density areas.

    Clearwire tossed its CEO, Sprint has tried to insulate its losses by spinning off WiMAX to Clearwire, Clearwire stock is plummeting & is down to around 25% of last year's high, Intel took a $1 billion loss, TW Telecom has posted $400 million in chargeoffs, Google is getting gunshy & Comcast has taken huge hits.

    Yup - all in all, sounds like the technology to bet on...just like Enron.

    VZW bought licenses which give it 10X the geographical coverage Clearwire owns & about 500X the bandwidth. Plus they will have AT&T and eventually T-Mobile as co-conspirators. Sprint/Clearwire will have NASCAR, but will be unable to provide service to all NASCAR tracks or to the areas NASCAR fans live. It certainly will not have coverage to offer service to all of those RVs that follow the NASCAR circuit.

    Have a good friend who jumped on board with the Sprint WiMAX machine about 18 months ago as an engineer. He has VZW service with WinMo phones. He works for them, but says they will never offer him service everywhere he goes.

    Come back when you know what you're talking about & not just surfing wimax-whatever.com.

    And, no one pays me for what I write here. I write out of boredom.

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    08-04-09 11:20 PM
  24. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Hd-dvd vs. Blu ray anyone. Wimax might be out there. Might work just dandy. Doesn't mean its gonna be there in another year or 2.
    I am probably far older than you, but I also think of it as 8-track vs cassette or VHS vs Betamax.

    Betamax held promise, but no support. Most of the kids who talk thinking they know anything about the subject (the fansite moles), probably have never seen a beta tape.

    Or a 78RPM picture disc. Trinitron, anyone?

    Holy Moses - I'd better lay off the Scotch. I am having flashbacks!

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    08-04-09 11:26 PM
  25. bookedirl's Avatar
    So from what I've read about 4G, currently none of the new blackberries have support for 4G so we'll have to wait for RIM to update their hardware in newer blackberries?
    08-06-09 04:20 PM
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