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  1. DesertDogs's Avatar
    Wow... what a corporate boy you are... let's see, as of 3/31/09 VZ had a total revenue of 26.5 billion... (BILLION) dollars... a GP on that of 16.2 billion... for the last quarter...
    Wow, what a business neophyte you are.

    Let's see just how much more you can demonstrate your lack of business/financial knowledge you have and how much more entitlement attitude you possess.

    Why don't you not only give some real numbers instead of the Obamanumbers and learn the difference between gross and net profit. Now let's look at debt and ratios.

    In the end, we still know you know nothing of what you speak.

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    07-23-09 03:51 PM
  2. jimcander's Avatar
    Wow, what a business neophyte you are.

    Let's see just how much more you can demonstrate your lack of business/financial knowledge you have and how much more entitlement attitude you possess.

    Why don't you not only give some real numbers instead of the Obamanumbers and learn the difference between gross and net profit. Now let's look at debt and ratios.

    In the end, we still know you know nothing of what you speak.

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    Ahh... this is fun... Obamanumbers? Published financials are Obamanumbers? Interesting... Let's go back to the VZ SEC filings for that quarter...

    Let's see.. GP was 16.2 billion. Operating income was 4.69 billion. Net income was 3.2 billion. Are those real enough or do you need something else?

    oh.. the source of the numbers is VZ: Income Statement for VERIZON COMMUN - Yahoo! Finance

    of course, with your perceived black helecopter mentality, yahoo is in cahoots with Obama, the Masons, Opus Dei and the chipmunks in my backyard...
    07-23-09 08:18 PM
  3. jimcander's Avatar
    Im willing to leave this alone, but you are really trying arent you?

    I will tell you the same thing I told someone else in another thread.....you made verizon 7000.00 over the life of the contract.

    Now take out the salary of the rep you talked to, the phones that they have to pay for for someone to talk to you, the electricity of the store you went to, the pay of the person who is at the store, etc, etc.

    Basically, its like this, who do you know make a living off 3500 dollars a year?

    Thats what you are saying vzw should be "grateful" for.

    Once again, you got lucky, i can congratualte you, but maybe you are trying to convince yourself you didnt do anything wrong,but if you dont think there is a dominoeffect, once again, I dont know what to tell you, lol
    So bottom line here is the phone CS rep should still be reprimanded for helping me out, yes?

    I know no one that lives off 3500 a year. You keep preaching the moral/ethical aspects. I'm just playing by your rules. Based off those rules, VZ should have let me walk for difference I paid in the retail of the phone as opposed to the amount of money I would have continued to pay over the life of the contract. How does that work? You seemingly want to have VZ make money but here you are endorsing them to lose money.

    Just answer those two questions and I will go merrily on my way.
    07-23-09 08:24 PM
  4. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Ahh... this is fun... Obamanumbers? Published financials are Obamanumbers? Interesting... Let's go back to the VZ SEC filings for that quarter...

    Let's see.. GP was 16.2 billion. Operating income was 4.69 billion. Net income was 3.2 billion. Are those real enough or do you need something else?

    oh.. the source of the numbers is VZ: Income Statement for VERIZON COMMUN - Yahoo! Finance

    of course, with your perceived black helecopter mentality, yahoo is in cahoots with Obama, the Masons, Opus Dei and the chipmunks in my backyard...
    Sorry, but I am going to back Dogs on this one. You're using Yahoo reports, to start - not exactly WSJ or Forbes credibility there, but that is beside the point. You are quoting Verizon Communications numbers, not Verizon Wireless numbers. You know, VZ Communications only owns a little more than half of VZW, but VZ revenues are from long ago depreciated landline properties, plus revenues for sales of exchanges, like the recent sale to Frontier. They also include construction, investments, revenues from long distance & fiber-optic transmission services.

    You are also quoting gross profit & revenue & not net profit - but for a company different than that you're badgering. Even if the subject numbers were those of VZW, you miss the realities of accounting practices & lack even a rudimentary understanding of what those figures mean.

    It is very apparent you don't have a clue as to business accounting practices - that much was obvious to me from your first paragraph. You seem to want to quote raw numbers & twist them to suit your purpose - much the way the current administration is doing in trying to force-feed us every socialist program they can think of.

    Compare apples to apples & use business sense & knowledge in your reasoning/argument & we might have something. But from your words so far, you could be a high-school dropout convenience clerk with Internet access.

    Come back to play when you have a ball to play with.

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    07-23-09 08:54 PM
  5. DesertDogs's Avatar
    of course, with your perceived black helecopter mentality, yahoo is in cahoots with Obama, the Masons, Opus Dei and the chipmunks in my backyard...
    Anyone ever notice that when someone gives some form of intelligent reaponse to these kinds, instead of responding intelligently, they regurgitate what they already said, no matter how ridiculous it sounded to begin with & try to deflect their ploy by trying character assassination, or at the very least, they resort to ad-hominem attacks?
    Sorry, but I am going to back Dogs on this one.
    Thanks. I was hoping you would.

    This guy isn't bright enough to discern between two companies and yet he thinks he can make a valid point? My kids can do better.

    On top of that, what kind of mentality thinks it is okay to dictate what a market driven company makes? If you don't like it, go elsewhere. I don't think any of the carriers hold a gun to your head making you sign a contract. When you sign the contract, then complain about it, it does not shed a good light on your intelligence. Move on to a company that you are happy with and stop whining like a sissified little girl. Own up to what you agreed to. The only one at fault for your agreement is YOU. It isn't me, it isn't Mojo and it isn't Dad above.

    Of course if you think it is okay for others outside of your company to dictate what you're paid, I might be able to live with that. For starters, I think you're getting paid too much. Let's cut YOUR revenue in half, if only because you're such a PITA.

    To paraphrase an old saying, leave VZW now while you still know everything.

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    07-23-09 09:15 PM
  6. jimcander's Avatar
    OOO... this is fun...

    Hey Dad... I did mention NET numbers. Put the reading glasses on. Good point on VZ vs. VZW... time for some more digging...

    Yo Dog... lol... I was just responding to you Obamanumber rhetoric. You're allowed to disparage me? Did I hurt your feelings? If I did, I'm truly, truly sorry.

    In the end, I'm still curious about the whole idea of reprimanding someone who actually made money for the company, and measly amount that is was...

    Pointless, I know... I'm a schmuck... but I like the inanity of it all...
    Last edited by jimcander; 07-23-09 at 09:42 PM.
    07-23-09 09:30 PM
  7. B_Hutch's Avatar
    Ugh, if I didn't have such a good deal with one of those family shared plans I would leave Verizon in a heart beat.
    07-23-09 09:31 PM
  8. jimcander's Avatar
    To paraphrase an old saying, leave VZW now while you still know everything.
    Never, ever claimed to know everything... So stated on a number of posts... I just asked a couple of questions...
    07-23-09 09:39 PM
  9. Jodiuh's Avatar
    I have no idea what I just read. Wait...were you foruming while drinking?
    07-31-09 07:02 AM
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