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  1. NewDad8330's Avatar
    I really really really want a BOLD, and I know some of you will think I'm dumb for this question, but is there any way to get a BOLD for verizon? Thanks in advance for the crackberry advice!! I'm keeping my fingers crossed!!
    04-04-09 07:57 PM
  2. beavercountyemt's Avatar
    Nope cankt do it. Bold is gsm only. Wait till the viagra. I mean niagra comes to vzw in a few months. It's the closest were gunna get to it 4 awhile. Hope that helps.

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    04-04-09 08:09 PM
  3. JoeyMoose's Avatar
    Just talked to CS and they said no, gsm issue!
    04-04-09 08:11 PM
  4. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Again, my time-worn analogy...

    GSM=Square Peg
    CDMA=Round Hole

    Or another one...

    GSM=AM Radio
    CDMA=HD Radio

    Honest opinion time. If you live in a larger area, you may want to wait for the 99XX series. All new BlackBerrys for VZW after the Niagara are supposed to be LTE capable.

    And, living with the Bold has its downside, too - my biggest complaint is the thing is rickety. Its almost like RIM contracted the build quality out to Yugo. Many examples feel good out of the box, but after a few weeks of use, it starts feeling like a Flexi-Flyer or a Toyota Solara convertible.

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    04-04-09 08:28 PM
  5. vatothe0's Avatar
    Guys really, stop lying to the guy.

    You can totally use a BOLD on Verizon. Just get a Verizon Curve, remove the radio and put it in the Bold.

    That's like 3 steps. How hard was that? Sheesh.....

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    04-04-09 08:45 PM
  6. NewDad8330's Avatar
    well if its that easy, then is there a thread that goes into more detail?? i really want a BOLD. haha
    04-04-09 09:19 PM
  7. lastraid's Avatar
    Hey Vato - Sounds like a good side business to me
    04-04-09 09:21 PM
  8. lastraid's Avatar
    well if its that easy, then is there a thread that goes into more detail?? i really want a BOLD. haha
    Umm - I think that was said with some sarcasim
    04-04-09 09:21 PM
  9. NewDad8330's Avatar
    hah no seriously, i wasnt being sarcastic. lol i just dont know alot about it so im looking for more info..thanks for the idea!
    04-04-09 10:23 PM
  10. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Guys really, stop lying to the guy.

    You can totally use a BOLD on Verizon. Just get a Verizon Curve, remove the radio and put it in the Bold.

    That's like 3 steps. How hard was that? Sheesh.....
    Hey now! You swore you'd never divulge that secret to ANYONE!

    Sorry, but we may have to kick you out of the VZW Bold Club!

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    04-04-09 10:35 PM
  11. giantfan30's Avatar
    Again, my time-worn analogy...

    GSM=Square Peg
    CDMA=Round Hole

    Or another one...

    GSM=AM Radio
    CDMA=HD Radio

    Honest opinion time. If you live in a larger area, you may want to wait for the 99XX series. All new BlackBerrys for VZW after the Niagara are supposed to be LTE capable.

    And, living with the Bold has its downside, too - my biggest complaint is the thing is rickety. Its almost like RIM contracted the build quality out to Yugo. Many examples feel good out of the box, but after a few weeks of use, it starts feeling like a Flexi-Flyer or a Toyota Solara convertible.

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    LMFAO lemme guess the 8330 is built like a brick and feels like a BMW
    some of your seriously try too hard to sell VZW
    04-04-09 10:46 PM
  12. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    LMFAO lemme guess the 8330 is built like a brick and feels like a BMW
    some of your seriously try too hard to sell VZW
    Not at all - it isn't VZW vs anything. It is Depression-era technology (TDMA/GSM) compared to late-20th Century CDMA.

    Put simply, GSM (TDMA) transmissions work like a revolving door. Bits of your transmission need to wait their turn. GSM is easy to clone & simpler to eavesdrop on.

    CDMA is more like the transporters in Star Trek, where multiple bits can go through at the same time. Each bit it assigned a code, which identifies it within the radio transmission. CDMA is easily compressed, is nearly impossible to clone & more difficult yet to eavesdrop on.

    Even governments need carrier assistance to listen in on most CDMA transmissions, while they don't need help listening in on GSM.

    CDMA was a theory in WWII and was a military technology until the very early 1990s and requires complex computer processing. GSM is not that far removed from UHF television technology.

    I could be talking about any CDMA carrier, not just VZW. Don't try to play ignorant and accuse me of pulling a VZW vs AT&T argument. It is technology, not brand.

    And any Curve is built far better than the Bold.

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    04-05-09 12:56 AM
  13. vatothe0's Avatar
    well if its that easy, then is there a thread that goes into more detail?? i really want a BOLD. haha
    Here's what it should look like when you're done.
    Last edited by vatothe0; 04-05-09 at 01:35 AM.
    04-05-09 01:21 AM
  14. Terrigno's Avatar
    Neat. Now post a picture of your Jacob watch with 5 time zones
    04-05-09 07:27 AM
  15. giantfan30's Avatar
    Not at all - it isn't VZW vs anything. It is Depression-era technology (TDMA/GSM) compared to late-20th Century CDMA.

    Put simply, GSM (TDMA) transmissions work like a revolving door. Bits of your transmission need to wait their turn. GSM is easy to clone & simpler to eavesdrop on.

    CDMA is more like the transporters in Star Trek, where multiple bits can go through at the same time. Each bit it assigned a code, which identifies it within the radio transmission. CDMA is easily compressed, is nearly impossible to clone & more difficult yet to eavesdrop on.

    Even governments need carrier assistance to listen in on most CDMA transmissions, while they don't need help listening in on GSM.

    CDMA was a theory in WWII and was a military technology until the very early 1990s and requires complex computer processing. GSM is not that far removed from UHF television technology.

    I could be talking about any CDMA carrier, not just VZW. Don't try to play ignorant and accuse me of pulling a VZW vs AT&T argument. It is technology, not brand.

    And any Curve is built far better than the Bold.

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    good deal so you keep your 21st century technology and i will stick with GSM and HSDPA
    and while you're on your 8330 curve with its antiquated hardware and OS i will be doing circles around you with my clunker badly built Bold
    so celebrate CDMA....i will enjoy my antiquated GSM technology....
    i will enjoy my over the hill simultaneous data and voice and faster download speeds while you celebrate CDMA and whatever other irrelevant crap you can come up with..... now you can try to spin that into something or the other...i expect your response to be some long drawn out wikipedia like post trying to prove to me how great CDMA is and the usual B.S...save your time i know your modus operandi
    04-05-09 07:49 AM
  16. NewDad8330's Avatar
    Hahahha wow! All of these perverbial GSM and CDMA fists flying!!! Haha and I was ROTFL at that "finished product" pic...good stuff. I'm gonna sit back and watch the rest of this thread...
    04-05-09 08:25 AM
  17. midnightdt's Avatar
    there was supposed to be a bold coming to vzw, then i saw the niagara. not sure if thats all we are getting or if a bold will also come.
    04-05-09 10:02 AM
  18. midnightdt's Avatar
    you arent going to get an att bold to work on the network thats for sure. gsm and cdma are incompatible.
    04-05-09 10:02 AM
  19. Crackberrykills's Avatar
    there was supposed to be a bold coming to vzw, then i saw the niagara. not sure if thats all we are getting or if a bold will also come.
    Yeah, the Niagara is VZW's version of the Bold.

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    04-05-09 10:09 AM
  20. NewDad8330's Avatar
    Ok cool. Ill get the niagara and be a happy addict. I shouldve known about the GSM CDMA compatibility...DUH!!! Thnx guys
    04-05-09 11:23 AM
  21. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    good deal so you keep your 21st century technology and i will stick with GSM and HSDPA...(added drivel removed for brevity)...i will enjoy my over the hill simultaneous data and voice and faster download speeds while you celebrate CDMA and whatever other irrelevant crap you can come up with.....
    Faster download speeds? Now I know your M.O. - believing talking points that have no basis in reality.

    GSM 3G Real World Operating Speeds = +/- 300-350kbps with 400kbps peak.


    CDMA 3G Real World Operating Speeds = +/- 500-700kbps with 2.1mbps peak.

    Those are specs from 3G, not some GSM fanboy site.

    Oh, then there is the issue of the effective speed being dropped by as much as 80% when running simultaneous voice/data - an issue LTE will not suffer.

    You also conveniently missed the issue of the vastly larger CDMA 3G footprint, compared to the GSM footprint. I get CDMA 3G in rural areas, while you miss it in most metro areas.

    Wikipedia is for dopes who don't mind heavily slanted "info."

    Try talking factual reality - that which doesn't come from the hole you sit on.

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    04-05-09 03:00 PM
  22. giantfan30's Avatar
    Faster download speeds? Now I know your M.O. - believing talking points that have no basis in reality.

    GSM 3G Real World Operating Speeds = +/- 300-350kbps with 400kbps peak.


    CDMA 3G Real World Operating Speeds = +/- 500-700kbps with 2.1mbps peak.

    Those are specs from 3G, not some GSM fanboy site.

    Oh, then there is the issue of the effective speed being dropped by as much as 80% when running simultaneous voice/data - an issue LTE will not suffer.

    You also conveniently missed the issue of the vastly larger CDMA 3G footprint, compared to the GSM footprint. I get CDMA 3G in rural areas, while you miss it in most metro areas.

    Wikipedia is for dopes who don't mind heavily slanted "info."

    Try talking factual reality - that which doesn't come from the hole you sit on.

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    let me try telling you this again...you are wasting your time
    keep posting B.S maybe your VZW fanboys will buy into that nonsense
    HSDPA peak is 400 Kbps ...LMFAO
    HSDPA speeds drop 80% during simultaneous data and voice transmission ..LMFAO
    good for you with your rural footprint..where i work and roam its 3G all day every day and thats all that matters to me
    so when i test my tethered Bold and i record speeds at 1.5 Mbps i must be seeing things
    you need to try to spin a little harder...

    oh yea i see you abandoned the farce about your super duper Curve
    its amazing how your weak attempts at insults always seem to creep into your posts when somebody doesnt agree with your VZW fanboy rhetoric
    Last edited by giantfan30; 04-05-09 at 08:33 PM.
    04-05-09 04:02 PM
  23. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Its amazing how your weak attempts at insults always seem to creep into your posts when somebody doesnt agree with your VZW fanboy rhetoric
    Again, and I'll say this very slowly so your Neanderthal mind has a remote chance of understanding it:

    GET OFF THE DOPE YOU DOPE.

    Of course, we shouldn't expect more out of a Giants fan.

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    Last edited by TwinsX2Dad; 04-05-09 at 10:50 PM.
    04-05-09 10:21 PM
  24. ddarvish's Avatar
    Again, and I'll say this very slowly so your Neanderthal mind has a remote chance of understanding it:

    GET OFF THE DOPE YOU DOPE.

    Of course, we shouldn't expect more out of a Giants fan.

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    Bro I am on with the CDMA bandwagon but you really did pull these figures out of your ***.

    Wikipedia quotes the speeds correctly and whatever you wanna call 3G or 3.5G or 3.75G to me is all 3G. It is all basically the same standard and same equipment and same theory, most often upgraded by software upgrades to the cell sites. HSPA+ (3.75 G) and EVDO Rev B (also 3.75G) which I will call 3G since it isnt LTE which is 4 G have the following theoretical Speeds.

    Evolved HSPA provides HSPA data rates up to 42 Mbit/s on the downlink and 22 Mbit/s on the uplink with MIMO technologies and higher order modulation.

    BTW HSPA is actually a WCDMA technology. Only the voice portion of the phone is GSM


    EVDO Rev B : Higher rates per carrier (up to 4.9 Mbit/s on the downlink per carrier). Typical deployments are expected to include 2 or 3 carriers for a peak rate of 14.7 Mbit/s.

    Anyway stop playing numbers games. our phones are so stupid they dont know what to do with anything faster than 1 Mbit anyway!










    2G
    GSM iDEN D-AMPS IS-95 PDC CSD PHS GPRS HSCSD WiDEN
    2.75G
    EDGE/EGPRS CDMA2000 (1xRTT)
    3G
    UMTS (W-CDMA) CDMA2000 (1xEV-DO/IS-856) FOMA TD-SCDMA GAN/UMA WiMAX
    3.5G
    UMTS (HSDPA) UMTS (HSUPA) CDMA2000 (EV-DO Rev.A)
    3.75G
    UMTS (HSPA+) CDMA2000 (EV-DO Rev.B/3xRTT)
    4G
    Flash-OFDM 3GPP LTE
    04-06-09 12:10 AM
  25. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Hold the phone!

    Anytime you start seeing oddball decimal point numbers, you should be aware that you're looking at the writings of someone's imagination, especially when Wikipedia is concerned. ANYONE can add, write or edit Wikipedia, including twelve-year-olds and midlife adults surfing online in their underwear in their parents' basement.

    3G is a speed rating, and these ratings are specified in minimums. The only standard ratings are 1G (9.6 Kbps), 2G (most recent standard revision - IS95B - is 115Kbps), 2.5G (the only mid-standard decimal - 56Kbps-144Kbps) and 3G (144Kbps-2.1Mbps). 4G is realistically 2Mbps, but true 4G is thought of as 20Mbps+.

    The numbers I refer to are real-world operating speeds, not theoretical maximums. The numbers posted in that Wikipedia article are way off and not posted with any basis in the standard.

    I've heard people make reference to 3.5G, but there is no 3.5G standard. Some have mentioed it in the context of VZW's tested speeds, but again, VZW runs up to 2.1Mbps and usually in the 512Kbps-1.1Mbps range, all well within 3G parameters and below that of 4G.

    As a rule of thumb, using strong signals as a baseline, the AVERAGE real world performance of the "Big 4" looks like this:

    T-Mobile: 80
    AT&T; 100
    Sprint: 175
    VZW: 205

    In maximum real world numbers, the following can be observed:

    T-Mobile: 100
    AT&T: 140
    Sprint: 460
    VZW: 510

    That isn't figuring the peak maximum of the CDMA carriers which would push the difference even further.

    I regularly see average speeds of 1.1Mbps on my local VZW connection - nearly citywide, whereas the average local AT&T speed is around 360Kbps and Sprint runs 650-850Kbps - but neither AT&T, nor Sprint, have strong speeds in the outer or fringe areas.

    There are places in the country where Sprint & VZW run neck & neck, but few where the AT&T speeds come anywhere close to the CDMA performance figures - and that only happens in marginal CDMA areas.

    There is a huge difference between theoretical maximums of a technology and real-world performance. Taking a look at comparative-speed coverage maps is very enlightening, but internal industry tests, while not widely available, are even more so.

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    04-06-09 01:46 AM
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