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  1. BADTOLZ's Avatar
    So, I'm hearing several different things I guess.
    If we switch to Sprint, do they use VZ towers? If that's the case and it costs no extra we'd be fools not to switch. For a flat everything price we can use VZ towers and it would be as if we were on Verizon? It doesn't make sense. I didn't mean to start a bickering match, just looking for a better fiscal solution for my wife and myself...and others I guess.
    I guess simple (one would think) question: Does Sprint use VZ towers? If so, all the towers? Does it cost extra?
    10-12-09 09:59 PM
  2. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    So, I'm hearing several different things I guess.
    If we switch to Sprint, do they use VZ towers? If that's the case and it costs no extra we'd be fools not to switch.
    If that were true, why are there 87+ million people on VZW, & less than 48 million on Sprint?

    Think what you will, but you're not smarter than 87 million people, or even the difference in the number of customers. But you had your mind made up before you started this thread, so go for it.

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    10-12-09 10:56 PM
  3. lennyj17's Avatar
    Larry, you're really grasping at straws there - in the first 200 lines of that PRL, I noticed multiple areas which would have been sequentially included, but weren't.

    And, the majority of those I looked at were 1900MHz PCS towers.

    When my guys install a tower, they input the initial programming. Too bad Sprint isn't usually included.

    Now let's say you were correct. Most people here know that without an amplifier, I get no signal in much of my house. When I stand outside, I might get a VZW signal. Thanks to a new AT&T tower (installed by a competitor) I can now get similar signal on AT&T as VZW, except the AT&T signal is EDGE only. Why do Sprint phones not work at my house, Larry? Why is it that I have to drive nearly two miles to get a good signal - and still no Sprint signal? It isn't until I get about three miles south that I get a Sprint signal, Larry.

    Since you've proven you don't have a clue as to what a PRL entry means, why do you present it as evidence?

    When you learn telecom, come back & talk. Until then, I believe Fisher-Price has a nice little forum. Or better yet, maybe a few weeks in a nun-run Catholic school. They will straighten up your manners.

    At the very least, they will teach you that double-negatives, like DOESN'T NOT NEG are not only unintelligent, they are unnecessary.

    And I say this even though I am anti-Catholic teachings.

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    Do me favor Twin X find me offical documentation stating were Sprint blocks Verizon SID's in it's PRL lists?

    No I don't want here some bs story about someone's house.... Anyone can make that bs up....

    I want to see a lists of SID's, which u won't be able to find because there ARE NONE! PERIOD POINT BLANK! I don't care what these brainwashed fanboys say.
    10-13-09 07:01 AM
  4. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Do me favor Twin X find me offical documentation stating were Sprint blocks Verizon SID's in it's PRL lists?

    No I don't want here some bs story about someone's house.... Anyone can make that bs up....

    I want to see a lists of SID's, which u won't be able to find because there ARE NONE! PERIOD POINT BLANK! I don't care what these brainwashed fanboys say.
    The PRL is NOT a license to roam on a carrier. The phone can see the tower ID, but if the tower does not allow the radio signature/MEID/ESN/etc., you are not roaming on it.
    10-13-09 08:29 AM
  5. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    And here is a link provided elsewhere by TrendyProfessional that shows you the reality...

    Cellular Maps.com-3G Coverage Comparison:AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, US Cellular & Verizon

    Notice the gray areas for Sprint that tells you "limited access to some services."
    10-13-09 08:54 AM
  6. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    FYI, just to fuel this debate...
    I switched to Sprint from alltel/verizion during the conversion in my area. I was told by the rep that i would get service everywhere i had service with alltel previous to my switch due to "roaming agreements". I had NO service in my house where i had 3 bars with alltel/verizon. I had to go stand in my yard to use my phone.. not happy.
    So i call in 10 days into my new contract with sprint... They then tell me that ALL my minutes were coming from roaming and that they would not be able to continue to let me use their service if more than half of my usage was thru roaming..

    Needless to say... i am back with Verizon. I pay a bit more, but i don't have to stand in the yard to use my phone.
    Wow thats kinda like having to use an out house......................
    10-13-09 09:31 AM
  7. blue_and_bold's Avatar
    My wife and I are simply paying too much for VZ service compared to other companies. I love VZ because I ride my motorcycle in the mountains, but for considerably less $ we can switch, get new phones at new sign on price, get equivalent if not better package, call other people on other networks included, not have some restrictions VZ places on their phones (without paying extra for it), and lose some coverage.
    Please try to argue why more VZ customers don't jump ship? I realize VZ coverage is far and away the best, but what else? You can save money and IMO get better smart phones w/other companies (I'm not talking about the iphone).
    Sprint is the front runner in my "soon to be new customer" race.
    You get what you pay for, this thread seems redundant now that its been answered again and again.
    VZW - better coverage higher price
    Everyone else - less coverage for cheaper.
    Its like saying whats better a ferrari or a corolla?
    Well the ferrari is 200k and the corolla is 3k...
    But the ferrari can do 160mph and will seldom send you home alone at night
    10-13-09 09:36 AM
  8. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    Here you go!

    PRL sp_20232


    Like I SAID Sprint DOESNT NOT NEG VERIZON PRL's, Verizon Fanboys lie to hang on to that better coverage BS claim...It makes them feel vaildated for the Car Note they pay to Verizon.
    While eating those Romain Noodles; I think he meant Ramen.
    U forgot the Romain noodles. Still have the ketchup and mustard to
    put in em though............
    10-13-09 09:41 AM
  9. lennyj17's Avatar
    The PRL is NOT a license to roam on a carrier. The phone can see the tower ID, but if the tower does not allow the radio signature/MEID/ESN/etc., you are not roaming on it.
    Oh Come On STOP IT!!!! I'm not one of those clusless VZW Fanboys that you can easily manipulate with lies!

    Weather a Sprint CDMA phone roams is able to Roam on Verizon or not soley depends on if Sprint has NEG'd any of Verizon's SID's in the PRL list....Which Sprint doesnt not do....

    Sprint does NEG Leap and Metro from the PRL because there's no Roaming agreement with them...atleast not Sprint > to Leap/Metro.

    Again Stop Lying to Folks
    10-13-09 09:42 AM
  10. lennyj17's Avatar
    And here is a link provided elsewhere by TrendyProfessional that shows you the reality...

    Cellular Maps.com-3G Coverage Comparison:AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, US Cellular & Verizon

    Notice the gray areas for Sprint that tells you "limited access to some services."
    Doesnt matter we're talking about if a Sprint phone will say "NO SERVICE" while a Verizon phone would have usable service....

    and FACTS! are NO it would not, since Sprint doesn't Neg any Verizon SID's!

    Pulled from the Story Below!

    ATT - "Cingular's standard GSM voice service reaches 270 million people"

    Verizon - "Verizon offers standard voice coverage to 291 million potential people if you include its roaming partners who provide service where Verizon does not. If you discount the roaming partners and just include towers owned and operated by Verizon, coverage is 255 million people."

    Sprint - "Sprint's standard voice service reaches more than 295 million people (including U.S.-owned islands like Guam)"


    T-MO - "T-Mobile reaches 275 million people in the U.S."


    So you tell me how is it that Sprint Covers more POP's then Verizon with Roaming if it Didn't INCLUDE ALL OF VERIZON's NETWORK in is PRL when VERIZON Network MAKES UP 95% of the US CDMA Network out side of Sprint, USCC, Metro and Cricket (Sprint does not Roam on Metro or Cricket)


    Per Yahoo! Tech:

    Who Really Has the Largest Cellular Network?
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    Buzz up!0 votes You've seen the commercials. You've heard the debates. You can't go a week without hearing Verizon Wireless, Cingular, or Sprint claim to have the biggest or fastest wireless network in America... or sometimes all three of them!

    So who's right? Who really does have the biggest cellular network in the U.S.? I put the question to the big three networks to find out how they make their claims and what data they had to back it up. (And while I love T-Mobile as much as anyone, its network is decidedly smaller in both coverage and number of subscribers, nor do they make such grandiose claims, so it was originally excluded in this survey (update below).)

    For starters, you'll see that no carrier claims to have a larger network based on actual geographic coverage (except Alltel, see below). In fact, no carrier even seems to know how much square mileage its network actually covers. It just isn't measured, and that data doesn't exist.

    What cellular carriers use instead is a measurement of the total number of people who are physically located in the service area of the carrier. The total number of people who can reach the network is how carriers make claims about the size of their coverage; presumably the more people you can reach, the more physical ground you cover, but that's not necessarily true.

    Obviously, more people live in urban areas than in rural ones, so all carriers focus their efforts on reaching the most people where they live. Rural coverage exists, but there's no way to easily tell whether one farm or another is going to have coverage aside from looking at a coverage map in detail.

    With that in mind, here's what the networks saidthis is all from their own mouths; I'm not spinning the information at allabout their wireless service (in the order they returned my calls).

    Cingular/ATT
    Cingular's standard GSM voice service reaches 270 million people, and its 2.5G EDGE service (a service that's a bit faster than GSM) reaches 250 million potential people. Cingular's 3G HSDPA service reaches 70 million people in "80 to 90 cities" and covers 40,000 miles of highway. Cingular also points out that its network is all-digital and has no analog roaming, making it the largest all-digital network in the U.S. Since it's GSM, you can also take your phone worldwide (with voice service in 200 countries and data service in 100), which you can't do with CDMA networks like the other two carriers have.

    Verizon Wireless
    Verizon offers standard voice coverage to 291 million potential people if you include its roaming partners who provide service where Verizon does not. If you discount the roaming partners and just include towers owned and operated by Verizon, coverage is 255 million people. Verizon's 3G EV-DO network reaches 150 million-plus people. Verizon also claims to have the largest network by number of subscribers: 52.6 million retail subscribers and 54.8 million if you include resale/rebranding agreements with other carriers. Verizon also notes that J.D. Power consistently ranks Verizon as having the highest overall call quality on the market, along with T-Mobile. Verizon also claims to have the most reliable network in the States, based on a variety of third-party studies.

    Sprint
    Sprint's standard voice service reaches more than 295 million people (including U.S.-owned islands like Guam), and the Nextel iDen network reaches 264 million people. Sprint's 3G EV-DO network reaches 158 million people in 220 markets with more than 100,000 residents and 486 airports. Sprint's recent claims are that its broadband service is 5 times faster than Cingular's, but this is comparing to Cingular's old 2.5G EDGE service and not its newer 3G service (which has a comparable speed). Technically speaking, Sprint suprisingly has the largest amount of coverage.

    Alltel
    Here's what Alltel (finally) says: Alltel has 11 million customers and cover 72 million potential customers. "Our network covers more square miles nationally than any other carrier's networkhence we are the largest network." When I asked how the Alltel network could be larger geographically but cover less than a third of the population that the other carriers do, Alltel said, "There is no tie between pops [people covered] and network coverage... our build-out network covers more square miles than any other carrier's... pops really pertains to population in a licensed area." It seems to me that there actually is a strong tie between the geographic size of the network and the number of people living inside that area. And since no other network actually even measures the size of its network geographically, I have to take these claims with a grain of salt.

    T-Mobile
    T-Mobile got back to me with this information: T-Mobile reaches 275 million people in the U.S. and has 23 million customers. The company didn't offer information about how much of its coverage is through its own network vs. its affiliates.

    And that's the scoop!

    So who's got the biggest network? If you compare geographic coverage maps, it sure looks like Verizon, but Sprint genuinely seems to cover more people, if by a small margin, with both voice and high-speed data. (Those coverage maps are hardly standardized, so it's tough to draw conclusions based on them.) Cingular, however, does have an advantage by having more digital service. Analog roaming, common in rural areas, can be expensive and buggy, and many phones simply don't have analog radios at all any more. Cingular's international support is also worth noting. Then there's Verizon: Those call quality claims are hard to ignore and are probably more important to most users than a few extra towers out in the boonies.

    Bottom line: All three networks are suitably large for more than 99 percent of U.S. users. Unless you frequent parts of Montana near the Canadian border, you shouldn't experience dead zones more than once in a blue moon. My recommendation: Find a phone you love and a plan you can afford and give it a try near where you live, but don't worry too much about who's providing the service.

    Note: This does not mean that all three carriers are equally appropriate for every mobile phone user, but that, on average, they all have coverage that spans most of the country. Check out this post for more help on how
    10-13-09 10:08 AM
  11. lennyj17's Avatar
    Ok here ya go bud; when I call VZW I get an A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N.
    I don't get a call center routed to the Philipines; or upper Mongolia.
    If I do get a foreign accent I know they are a naturalized citizen
    here in the US.
    I would rather pay more to KEEP an A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N working if they
    offer a quality product. When I have a problem; taken care of immediately.
    Yearly upgrade no problem; problem with my bill no problem.
    So when u go ragging on VZW think of the bigger picture my friend
    LOL! OMG You think Sprint still does off-shore call centers LOL!

    Hesse been closed those closed those call centers, soon after he became CEO

    I get an American, the little times I do need to call, because my bill is the same every month, because all of my features are bundled into a nice Everything package, including Roaming on Verizon thank you!
    10-13-09 10:13 AM
  12. sjsjr's Avatar
    So because Sprint can roam and use VZW towers this makes them better even though VZW already has service in the same spot using their own towers? If they have the exactly the same coverage how is Sprint superior?

    I get what you are saying about the no service thing, and you may be absolutely correct, but I still don't see any benefit to Sprint other then the price of the plans. In my case Sprint would only save me like $10 a month. Not a huge difference in my opinion.
    10-13-09 10:20 AM
  13. blue_and_bold's Avatar
    Sprint customer service is ranked 3rd or 4th out of major carriers?
    10-13-09 10:25 AM
  14. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    Sprint customer service is ranked 3rd or 4th out of major carriers?
    Regional rankings are as follows:

    Verizon Wireless ranks highest in the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, Southeast and Southwest regions in wireless call quality performance. Verizon performs particularly well with regard to limiting dropped calls, failed initial connections, and late or failed text and voice messages.

    In a tie, Verizon Wireless, Alltel and T-Mobile rank highest in the West region. T-Mobile performs particularly well in reducing the number of problems with echoes and distortion, while Alltel performs particularly well in limiting the number of problems associated with late or failed messages.

    In the North Central region, U.S. Cellular ranks highest for an eighth consecutive reporting period. Compared with the regional average, U.S. Cellular has fewer customer-reported problems with initial connections, static or interference, and late or failed voice message notification.

    "Customers rely heavily on their mobile devices to stay connected, so carriers must provide their customers with a problem-free experience to keep them satisfied-particularly in such a highly competitive environment," said Parsons. "Customers have come to expect quality calling experiences, and wireless carriers must continue to deliver on their promises for faster downloading and increased bandwidth as customers continue to migrate to next-generation network technologies."

    Wireless usage patterns continue to evolve, as more communications than ever before are now made via text messages. The study finds that wireless customers receive 112 text message notifications per month-nearly double the number of notifications from one year ago. In 2009, 32 percent of wireless calls are made or received in the home-a percentage that will likely continue to grow, as 27 percent of customers report using their wireless phone for all calls that they would have previously made or received using a traditional landline.
    10-13-09 10:31 AM
  15. lennyj17's Avatar
    Sprint customer service is ranked 3rd or 4th out of major carriers?
    Not according to THIS
    10-13-09 10:50 AM
  16. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    Here Goes
    As per Lenny

    AT&T and its 2.5G EDGE service (a service that's a bit faster than GSM) reaches 250 million potential people.
    Cingular's 3G HSDPA service reaches 70 million people in "80 to 90 cities" and covers 40,000 miles of highway. Cingular also points out that its network is all-digital


    If you discount the roaming partners and just include towers owned and operated by Verizon, coverage is 255 million people.
    Verizon's 3G EV-DO network reaches 150 million-plus people. Verizon also claims to have the largest network by number of subscribers


    Sprint's standard voice service reaches more than 295 million people (including U.S.-owned islands like Guam), and the Nextel iDen network reaches 264 million people
    Sprint's 3G EV-DO network reaches 158 million people in 220 markets with more than 100,000 residents and 486 airports.

    Note u gave the edge to Sprint's 3g market reaching 158 million people
    including Territories owned by the US.
    It would have been more practical if only the 50 United States were included.
    So then wouldn't be fair that since VZW and Voda are partners that you add
    that customer base to VZW's numbers as well?
    10-13-09 10:51 AM
  17. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    Not according to THIS
    But this is how they tested............
    Not survey based?
    Unless I missed something.....
    Rating the Carriers: Customer Service Showdown
    To test the friendliness, knowledge, and timeliness of the big four wireless carriers (AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, and Verizon Wireless), we called customer service twice during the week—once at midday and once during rush hour. We also visited two stores per carrier in New York City. Finally, we tried to find solutions to our problems using each carrier’s Web site and online features. We always had a BlackBerry from each carrier handy for the tests, and asked the following questions: “Can you help me set up a personal e-mail account on my phone?”, “Can I tether my phone to my computer for use as a modem?”, and, “How do I install Slacker Radio or Pandora on my BlackBerry
    10-13-09 10:55 AM
  18. lennyj17's Avatar
    So because Sprint can roam and use VZW towers this makes them better even though VZW already has service in the same spot using their own towers? If they have the exactly the same coverage how is Sprint superior?

    I get what you are saying about the no service thing, and you may be absolutely correct, but I still don't see any benefit to Sprint other then the price of the plans. In my case Sprint would only save me like $10 a month. Not a huge difference in my opinion.
    Never Said that.....But you guys go on like Verizon is the God's gift to Cell phone users everywhere...

    and I get that some fanboy's do it for Validation of why they pay more with Verizon and recieve actually less Service (in terms of Features included in plans)...It gives them a sense of satisfaction...

    But in Reality a Sprint phone will get coverage everywhere that Verizon does...The Fact that we have 2nd Best 3G coverage, killers plans, getting hotter phones long before Verizon, uncripple devices, and knowing we'll never be without coverage regardless weather it Roaming or NOT, since its free....

    hey Sprint's NOT BAD AT ALL!

    I see Twin X has disappeared into the Sunset! Leaving you guys to defend yourselves....hmmmmmmmmm
    Last edited by Lennyj17; 10-13-09 at 11:00 AM.
    10-13-09 10:57 AM
  19. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    Never Said that.....But you guys go on like Verizon is the God's gift to Cell phone users everywhere...

    and I get that some fanboy's do it for Validation of why they pay more with Verizon and recieve actually less Service (in terms of Features included in plans)...It gives them a sense of satisfaction...

    But in Reality a Sprint phone will get coverage everywhere that Verizon does...The Fact that we have 2nd Best 3G coverage, killers plans, getting hotter phones long before Verizon, uncripple devices, and knowing we'll never be without coverage regardless weather it Roaming or NOT, since its free....

    hey Sprint's NOT BAD AT ALL!
    I agree Sprint is second best 3g look at the maps.
    I almost went to Sprint; the Storm kept me
    Now it's the Samsung Omnia II
    10-13-09 11:00 AM
  20. lennyj17's Avatar
    Here Goes

    Note u gave the edge to Sprint's 3g market reaching 158 million people
    including Territories owned by the US.
    It would have been more practical if only the 50 United States were included.
    So then wouldn't be fair that since VZW and Voda are partners that you add
    that customer base to VZW's numbers as well?

    You're Fishing to Stave Face to keep your Verizon arguement....

    No its talking about complete coverage...and those areas are consider domestic calling not international, so they are counted as Native US.
    10-13-09 11:11 AM
  21. sjsjr's Avatar
    Hey I have nothing against Sprint. They are an excellent provider too. I went to Verizon because 10 years ago Sprint had no signal along the places I travel most. I am sure by now they have great coverage in this area as I know several people who have Sprint and love them. I just stick with Verizon because I enjoy what services I have and think the price is fair. Maybe you feel differently and Sprint makes you happy. And that is all anyone can ask for really is to be happy with what they have!

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    10-13-09 11:15 AM
  22. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    You're Fishing to Stave Face to keep your Verizon arguement....

    No its talking about complete coverage...and those areas are consider domestic calling not international, so they are counted as Native US.
    No I'm not fishing to save face my friend.
    If you include regions outside of the 50 states
    lets be all inclusive.
    U opened the door; I just entered........
    10-13-09 11:17 AM
  23. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    And here is a link provided elsewhere by TrendyProfessional that shows you the reality...

    Cellular Maps.com-3G Coverage Comparison:AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, US Cellular & Verizon

    Notice the gray areas for Sprint that tells you "limited access to some services."
    For the record no one said Sprint was lousy............
    10-13-09 11:19 AM
  24. lennyj17's Avatar
    Hey I have nothing against Sprint. They are an excellent provider too. I went to Verizon because 10 years ago Sprint had no signal along the places I travel most. I am sure by now they have great coverage in this area as I know several people who have Sprint and love them. I just stick with Verizon because I enjoy what services I have and think the price is fair. Maybe you feel differently and Sprint makes you happy. And that is all anyone can ask for really is to be happy with what they have!

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Hey if Verizon's prices didn't cost me my first born, and they weren't sooo Damn Nickel and Dimey, they would been my carrier back when Sprint was at its ABSOLUTE WORST under Gary Forsee!

    But Hesse came in and really cleaned up Sprint for the better, and is goaled to Turn this company around, keep an eye out for the Q4'09 numbers...Sprint is putting everything in place to have subscriber add's again.
    10-13-09 11:21 AM
  25. blue_and_bold's Avatar
    A family with 5 or 6 kids? Sorry you got laid off and now you're pissed off and come complaining on here.
    I don't know where you think you are but this is the Verizon section of the forums so do you think there would be ppl here defending their carrier? YES.
    GO ahead and save your money with Sprint no one is stopping you.
    Twins may have a diff financial situation than the rest of us...
    I don't know why we are still talking about this. Someone just say something personal so they can lock this thread.
    10-13-09 12:27 PM
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