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  1. colecar's Avatar
    I sell AT&T Wireless for a living and we have more and more people coming over from T-Mobile and Sprint/Nextel than ever before (at least in Alabama). People will pay more to have better service. Nothing is more annoying than getting dropped calls. There is a reason why they are cheaper. Verizon has very good service. It seems like every other year or so AT&T and Verizon go back and forth as far as adding towers. It's all about your area too and if you're going to be traveling.
    05-10-09 01:02 AM
  2. Branta's Avatar
    Once again moderators have removed insulting content after complaints were received.

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    Please let the thread continue to discuss the service provided (or not) by VZW in a polite and civil manner.

    Thanks for your cooperation.
    05-10-09 06:45 AM
  3. IDsweetcheeks's Avatar
    Ok....this probly has been talked about before but I switched to verizon in december and their rates are astronomical...I mean they have great service and whatnot but between access rates..dropping new every 2...money is the name of the game but my gosh......

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    VZW didnt "drop" NE2
    They reduced the discounts associated... ( I agree no bueno ) but its not GONE...
    05-10-09 07:11 AM
  4. vatothe0's Avatar
    VZW didnt "drop" NE2
    They reduced the discounts associated... ( I agree no bueno ) but its not GONE...
    While it does suck that the discount went down, overall phone prices have gone down significantly too.

    To compare two similar types of phones I looked up the launch price of the LG VX7000 and VX5500. Here is a comparison of features on Phone Scoop's site:
    Compare Phones (Phone Scoop)
    The 5500 is better in pretty much every category.

    The 7000 came out and was priced at $249.99 with a 2 year contract and a $50 rebate. The 5500 came out priced at $99.99 with a $50 rebate.

    No matter what NE2 level you are at or even if you don't have it, you still get a better price on current phones which is the reason Verizon lowered the benefit.
    Last edited by vatothe0; 05-10-09 at 01:28 PM.
    05-10-09 01:26 PM
  5. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    While it does suck that the discount went down, overall phone prices have gone down significantly too.
    Prices go down, subsidies drop. Verizon negotiates better prices on phones, so there is less room in the margin for extra money promos.

    North America has had a pricing model that was pretty unique in the world. In most regions of the world, there are no subsidies and often no contracts. Device prices are higher & monthly rates are often more expensive.

    Would you prefer $100 off of a $500 phone or $50 off the same phone priced at $399?

    It doesn't take a math whiz to figure out which is better. Yet to the uninitiated, that $100 sure sounds good.

    But honey, I bought it because it was on sale for $100 off!

    Too bad 'honey' might ask what the original price was.

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    05-10-09 03:53 PM
  6. tg32's Avatar
    I'm satisfied with my verizon. Quit hating on the network!
    05-10-09 04:27 PM
  7. john.coleman's Avatar
    I too am quite satisfied. Although the pricing may be high compared to others, my experience with Verizon coverage and customer service has been head and shoulders above any other carrier. To me, having a phone that consistently works with decent data speeds is worth every penny I pay. That is just my $.02 anyway.
    05-10-09 05:35 PM
  8. ERDude's Avatar
    Sprint has a $99 for everything plan, which includes unlimited dropped calls
    Unlimited dropped calls? Hmm, haven't dropped a call in years on Sprint. Can't say the same for my Verizon or AT$T buddies here in OC, CA.

    Can you back you claim up with facts?
    05-10-09 07:25 PM
  9. sprke81's Avatar
    There's always some place that one of the carriers don't have good signal and one of the others do. There isn't a carrier that is best in ALL areas. If Sprint works good for you there then stick with them, they need you.
    05-10-09 07:42 PM
  10. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Unlimited dropped calls? Hmm, haven't dropped a call in years on Sprint. Can't say the same for my Verizon or AT$T buddies here in OC, CA.

    Can you back you claim up with facts?
    Come out of Orange County, where Sprint has good coverage, but VZW is still better, with more facilities and something better than the local 1900MHz PCS system. The difference in OC is slight, but if you were to spread your wings & travel a distance equal to even 5% of my 50,000+ miles annually (and we're not inluding the absurd mileage figures SoCal folks have to drive locally), and you'll have your proof.

    I tell folks all the time - if you have good coverage in your area & you're pretty much a local, then you will see no advantage elsewhere. Get off the beaten track on Dprint & you're pretty much screwed.

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    05-10-09 07:44 PM
  11. mconte903's Avatar
    actually I've had verizon for almost a 2 years now and I wouldnt go back to any other service...at&t gets horible service here, sprint nextel is only good with the direct connect here, and tmobile doesnt have a phone I like...So verizon it is for me!!!
    05-10-09 08:02 PM
  12. numus's Avatar
    I tell folks all the time - if you have good coverage in your area & you're pretty much a local, then you will see no advantage elsewhere. Get off the beaten track on Dprint & you're pretty much screwed.

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    I travel to rural areas for training (right now i am on a Homeland security base in Anniston, Alabama and my sprint 8330 is getting better reception then someone in my class who has a verizon 8330) and i have yet to come to an area that my sprint phone doesnt work but a verizon phone does... so how have i been screwed?
    05-11-09 09:56 PM
  13. classc1's Avatar
    I guess it just really depends on where you live. Sprint could sell their monthly plan, data and unlimited minutes for 2 dollars a month total and they wouldn't get my business again. I live in NYC and IMHO there is just no comparison.

    I had to chuckle when I read that Sprint had a free unlimited dropped calls policy...gee I wonder why ?

    Yes Verizon costs a bit more...but in this case...you truly get what you pay for.

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    05-11-09 11:00 PM
  14. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    I travel to rural areas for training (right now i am on a Homeland security base in Anniston, Alabama and my sprint 8330 is getting better reception then someone in my class who has a verizon 8330) and i have yet to come to an area that my sprint phone doesnt work but a verizon phone does... so how have i been screwed?
    Somethins is wrong with your friend's phone because I show that area is predominantly non-Sprint for CDMA towers.

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    05-12-09 01:14 AM
  15. crackcookie's Avatar
    No carrier is perfect anywhere guys, if a carrier works for you in a certain area, thats cool for you.


    However, you must admit, Verizon is annoying in how they limit phones. But, if those limitations allow them to provide service people love, I guess its worth it.
    05-12-09 09:22 AM
  16. thom1's Avatar
    You wouldn't like them if they sold you to fairpoint!
    05-12-09 10:04 AM
  17. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    I travel to rural areas for training (right now i am on a Homeland security base in Anniston, Alabama and my sprint 8330 is getting better reception then someone in my class who has a verizon 8330) and i have yet to come to an area that my sprint phone doesnt work but a verizon phone does... so how have i been screwed?
    As further reference, here are the cell sites in Anniston, AL:

    On Blue Mtn. 0.5 Mi Ne Of (Lat: 33.680944 Lon: -85.815528)
    Type: Tower
    Structure height: 54.9 m
    Overall height: 56.1 m
    Call Sign: KNKA665869.040 MHz, 824.040 MHz, 890.010 MHz, 845.010 MHz, 834.390 MHz, 879.390 MHz, 869.040 MHz, 824.040 MHz, 890.010 MHz, 845.010 MHz... (+8 more)
    Grant Date: 12/09/1988
    Certifier: John T Scott
    IiiRegistrant: Verizon Wireless, 1120 Sanctuary Pkwy, #150 Gasa5reg, Alpharetta, GA 30004, Phone: (770) 797-1070, Fax: (770) 797-1036

    On Blue Mountain, 0.5 Miles Northeast Of (Lat: 33.680944 Lon: -85.815528)
    Call Sign: KNKQ224
    Assigned Frequencies : 869.040 MHz, 890.010 MHz, 834.390 MHz, 879.390 MHz, 824.040 MHz, 845.010 MHz
    Grant Date: 10/03/1991
    Registrant: Gte Service Corporation, 1850 M Street N.W., Suite 1200, Washington, DC 20036, Phone: (202) 463-5295, Fax: (202) 463-5239

    26th Street Blue Mountain (Lat: 33.681778 Lon: -85.815806)
    Call Sign: KNKA575880.020 MHz, 891.510 MHz, 835.020 MHz, 880.020 MHz, 835.020 MHz, 846.510 MHz, 880.020 MHz, 891.510 MHz, 835.020 MHz, 880.020 MHz, 835.020 MHz, 846.510 MHz
    Grant Date: 11/06/2007
    Certifier: David C Jatlow
    Registrant: At&t Mobility LLC, 5601 Legacy Drive Ms A-3, Plano, TX 75024, Phone: (469) 229-7422, Fax: (469) 229-72972

    Park Road (Lat: 33.620111 Lon: -85.872750)
    Call Sign: KNKA575
    880.020 MHz, 891.510 MHz, 835.020 MHz, 880.020 MHz, 835.020 MHz, 846.510 MHz, 880.020 MHz, 891.510 MHz, 835.020 MHz, 880.020 MHz, 835.020 MHz, 846.510 MHz
    Grant Date: 11/06/2007
    Certifier: David C Jatlow
    Registrant: At&t Mobility LLC, 5601 Legacy Drive Ms A-3, Plano, TX 75024, Phone: (469) 229-7422, Fax: (469) 229-7297

    Again, if your friend's VZW service is subpar in the area, it would have to be a device issue. There is 800MHz GSM presence through AT&T & 800MHz CDMA presence through VZW. There is no 1900MHz Sprint service listed, so Sprint customers would be roaming using the 800MHz capability of their phones. The odds of Sprint customers roaming on a non-native system, having better coverage than a customer on the native network, are slim and none. Unless, of course, there is something wrong with the phone.

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    05-12-09 12:06 PM
  18. vatothe0's Avatar
    I hope Numus's foot was clean before Twin just shoved it in his mouth.

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    05-12-09 12:43 PM
  19. sprke81's Avatar
    I sure I wish I had access to info like that. Call me a nerd but I dig knowing what towers are who's at the places I frequent.

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    05-12-09 12:53 PM
  20. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    You wouldn't like them if they sold you to fairpoint!
    No comment there.

    I hope Numus's foot was clean before Twin just shoved it in his mouth.
    LOL - but please know that was not my intention.


    I really don't exist here to make folks feel bad.

    It bothers me when people do a one-on-one comparison between their service & a friend's, especially since we're expected to take it at face value without any proof or validation.

    Its one thing to tell me your Sprint service works well in Orange County - I know it does. Its quite another for a lay person to say with certainty that their Sprint service in OC works better than Verizon (or vice-versa) - especially when I know VZW has more towers there, not all of which may allow Sprint roaming. Plus VZW's 800MHz towers have better range than Sprint's 1900MHz PCS band - this is not something that indicates any lack of commitment to a strong signal. Rather, it is an indication of the physics of radio communications. The higher the frequency, the more "line of sight" the signal is. 1900MHz is more prone to being blocked by obstacles like buildings, mountains, trees, cars, etc. than are 700 or 800MHz bands.

    1900MHz PCS mobile service was never originally intended to be anything other than local service, with features that somewhat mirrored the offerings of the local telcos. This is why so many local telcos chose the low-power PCS band with their wireless service offerings, while the AT&Ts, VZWs & others of the mobile world went with the nationwide 800MHz bands. VZW, AT&T & T-Mobile could offer only single band phones to their customers & most would never be the wiser. If Sprint, on the other hand, were to do this, their customers would be without service in most areas outside of metro areas.

    Still, I love the fact Sprint exists - having more options is always a better position for a consumer to find themselves in & the consumer makes choices based on what their needs are. But remember - Sprint is basically local service that relies on other carriers to piece their network into a national one.

    So please folks - save the Sprint drumbeat.
    No matter what carrier you have, there will always be problems.
    Very true - this is because people & their mobile phones are mobile, while towers are anchored in concrete.

    I am not a fan of the VZW ads with the "can you hear me now" guy fronting thousands of people. I want a tower close to wherever I need to use my phone. No one yet has given me coverage in the Grand Canyon, so they all suck.

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    05-12-09 03:13 PM
  21. sprke81's Avatar
    When I was at the south rim of grand canyon last fall alltel had good signal there altho I'm not sure if it was native. Or are you talking right in the grand canyon

    Twins how do you multiquote from your berry? Or are you still enjoying the virtues of copy and paste lol

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    05-12-09 03:20 PM
  22. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    When I was at the south rim of grand canyon last fall alltel had good signal there altho I'm not sure if it was native. Or are you talking right in the grand canyon

    Twins how do you multiquote from your berry? Or are you still enjoying the virtues of copy and paste lol
    South Rim now has a tower - finally - but it is limited scope. Get too far away & you again have nothing.

    As for multi-quoting, I either do the copy/paste, or in this case, copy, esc, esc, quote next, then paste, then rinse & repeat as needed. It is tedious, but when one is bored out of their mind...

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    05-12-09 03:27 PM
  23. sprke81's Avatar
    As for multi-quoting, I either do the copy/paste, or in this case, copy, esc, esc, quote next, then paste, then rinse & repeat as needed. It is tedious, but when one is bored out of their mind...


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    Well I can say that you have far more patience then I do. But I'm using the Storm at the moment and trying to do that on it would be a disaster

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    05-12-09 04:03 PM
  24. ok4a56's Avatar
    (right now i am on a Homeland security base in Anniston, Alabama and my sprint 8330 is getting better reception then someone in my class who has a verizon 8330)
    I have been to the same place before and have had no issues with my VZW service, so keep on reading below.

    No matter what carrier you have, there will always be problems.
    I agree 120%
    05-12-09 04:09 PM
  25. mc066987's Avatar
    i think verizon is decent fair for the service and the phone
    05-12-09 04:38 PM
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