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  1. Heavy Fluid's Avatar
    There is a reason that Verizon is the biggest provider in the United States. Their coverage here far surpasses any carrier that I have been with, including AT&T and Sprint.

    For almost no dropped calls, knowledgeable customer service, outstanding store reps in my area, pretty wide selection of phones, and 0 billing mistakes, I am more than glad to pay my bill every month. That is really all I want. Sure, the mandatory BB data plan sounds ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as a BB without it to be honest.
    02-09-09 09:52 AM
  2. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    The gimmics.... thats where they lose me! All have their gimmics but as of right now, verizon has...... more! (forced data, paying for GPS, $20 extra texting on top of data plan, vzw apps that use texts as IMs, paying for visual VM, extreme prices for tethering, and a few other things in their past that were the last to be corrected by VZW like restricting bluetooth file sharing, restricting MP3s as ring tones, restricting transfers of purchased music from one device to another, restricting personal pictures as backgrounds. Then u have exclusive gimmics like charging airtime to shop their v-cast store and then charging $15 to be able to surf the same store unlimited but then still having to purchase the stuff LMAO too funny, ringtones costing $3 for 20 seconds of a song, etc)


    These things are where Verizon loses me and there's almost no way to know a lot of these things unless ur either cell savy or are with the network for a while and already in the commitment. As I've said before, based prices are a little higher and I don't mind that if I'm going to get a better carrier for it. Its the little gimmics that they do now, and in the past that should bring us up in arms! Those little fees and forced services are the things that hyke ur monthly bills so high that u cant help but understand why a lot of ppl pass on Verizon. Again, its not the base prices or even the separate $20 for texting (as AT&T does it too). Its the rest of the stuff which is why I call it "nickle and diming!"

    And even when you read a review anywhere on the net, some journalist somewhere will make some statement attensting to all this in the thngs they write about! I dont care how much u support them as a carrier or a company but no one can sit here with a straight face and tell me that these restrictions and extra fees are a good business practice!

    Don't blame and then insult the ppl that have the right to be frustrated! Don't play the Verizon can do nothing wrong game because if that was the case and contracts cover everything that they do, then u might as well just let them slit ur wrists if u signed a contract for it! THats not the way the law works and thats not the way business in america works!


    things are not corrected right away but I assure u, verizon will be the first to be sued, and it won't be by the angry customers, it'll be by the US government (think microsoft). And when it does, all u die hard supporters can fight along side them and then when they're forced to drop some of those tactics, u guys can go back to paying the old fees since u love them so much and think their always in the right!
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    02-09-09 03:50 PM
  3. Cg2Chris's Avatar
    The gimmics.... thats where they lose me! All have their gimmics but as of right now, verizon has...... more! (forced data, paying for GPS, $20 extra texting on top of data plan, vzw apps that use texts as IMs, paying for visual VM, extreme prices for tethering, and a few other things in their past that were the last to be corrected by VZW like restricting bluetooth file sharing, restricting MP3s as ring tones, restricting transfers of purchased music from one device to another, restricting personal pictures as backgrounds. Then u have exclusive gimmics like charging airtime to shop their v-cast store and then charging $15 to be able to surf the same store unlimited but then still having to purchase the stuff LMAO too funny, ringtones costing $3 for 20 seconds of a song, etc)


    These things are where Verizon loses me and there's almost no way to know a lot of these things unless ur either cell savy or are with the network for a while and already in the commitment. As I've said before, based prices are a little higher and I don't mind that if I'm going to get a better carrier for it. Its the little gimmics that they do now, and in the past that should bring us up in arms! Those little fees and forced services are the things that hyke ur monthly bills so high that u cant help but understand why a lot of ppl pass on Verizon. Again, its not the base prices or even the separate $20 for texting (as AT&T does it too). Its the rest of the stuff which is why I call it "nickle and diming!"

    And even when you read a review anywhere on the net, some journalist somewhere will make some statement attensting to all this in the thngs they write about! I dont care how much u support them as a carrier or a company but no one can sit here with a straight face and tell me that these restrictions and extra fees are a good business practice!

    Don't blame and then insult the ppl that have the right to be frustrated! Don't play the Verizon can do nothing wrong game because if that was the case and contracts cover everything that they do, then u might as well just let them slit ur wrists if u signed a contract for it! THats not the way the law works and thats not the way business in america works!


    things are not corrected right away but I assure u, verizon will be the first to be sued, and it won't be by the angry customers, it'll be by the US government (think microsoft). And when it does, all u die hard supporters can fight along side them and then when they're forced to drop some of those tactics, u guys can go back to paying the old fees since u love them so much and think their always in the right!
    Idea: Save the text of your post above, wait 10-15 years and go back and read it to yourself. The experience and maturity (hopefully) that time on this earth will have given you in the interim will probably make you shake your head and even laugh at the statements you wrote.

    Businesses are like troughs where we go to feed. If we don't like the content or the volume or the quality, IE: what we perceive as value, we can simply go feed somewhere else. There's always another trough, at least in a free country like ours where competition flourishes.

    As Verizon customers and free people buying what we wish we deserve exactly what we AGREE to pay for. If we don't want to pay $20 for 5000 texts message we need to either forget texting, text less or change carriers. Why sign up for it (and in this case it is totally a seperate cost/option from your calling plan) and then say you are being ripped off? It's impossible to be ripped off if you agree to it in the first place. Do you even really need 5000 texts per month?

    What Microsoft has been sued for isn't relevant to this thread. That point has to do with antitrust laws that are deirectly opposite to fair competition.

    Verizon does absolutely nothing wrong to me. Between the two Storms my wife and I have we pay about $3,000 per year for our plans. We get exactly what we contracted for including excellent calling, data and customer service. We have zero complaints and we have been with Verizon for 10 years. As a matter of fact when I first got my Storm I had a problem with opening and saving attatchments which, for me, is a critical part of owning the device. I called customer service and they transfered me to a Verizon rep who worked in the Blackberry dept. and she was just excellent on the phone. We tried a few things and ended up doing a complete wipe and reinstalling apps, service books, etc. Took about an hour but she was wonderful to talk to and knew exactly where she was going step-by-step to fix the phone.

    I could say more but this has gotten too long already. My best advice to you and any others who feel the way you do is to step back, take a look around, listen to others, grow up some, learn personal responsibility and stop blaming people, businesses and even the government for whatever makes you a little unhappy with your life today...including for God's sake, your phone/phone bill!


    PS. I LOVE my visual voicemail and I would be willing to pay twice the price for it! (there's value there for me, see?)
    Last edited by Cg2Chris; 02-09-09 at 09:38 PM.
    02-09-09 04:41 PM
  4. SevereDeceit's Avatar
    Speed on VZW is lightyears ahead of the others. It is why they kept on with CDMA & EVDO over GSM & EDGE. You don't get the latency issues with CDMA that you do with GSM which contributes a huge amount toward the goal of minimal dropped calls, especially while in motion. CDMA is also more expensive to implement & maintain than is GSM. Some say this is a reason CDMA is the predominant technology is the more developed & less socialist areas of the world.


    I need to find the link to my post here illustrating the key differences between the two technologies.


    Are there areas where all carriers shine? Of course there are. Are there customers who wouldn't notice a difference between any of them? Again, yes. Are there pricing differences? If you said yes, you're onto my pattern here. Where the differences lie are in patterns of movement & usage expectations.


    If you move around North America the way I do, and find yourself off the beaten path, there is no alternative to VZW, especially if you depend on call reliability. If you find yourself spending most or all of your time in one local area & tend to not even head toward the outskirts of town, any decent carrier in your area might do you. If you plan on heading to Europe a lot, you might lean toward a GSM solution.


    When you compare services, apple to apple, there is no difference between AT&T & VZW. In fact, for most people, VZW is less expensive, by a hair. Sure, Sprint & T-Mobile are less expensive, but find yourself in Roswell, NM, Blythe, CA, Sedona, AZ, Cheyenne, WY, Enid, OK or in much of Wisconsin or the Dakotas or Montana, you may not feel your choice of T-Mobile or Sprint to be a very smart one.


    Apples to apples is the best way to compare prices, yet too many people aren't paying attention to the crabapples or the prunes in the bushel.


    Quality costs money and given a choice, I will opt for quality over price any day. I know VZW & AT&T are the most expensive. They do not lock down anything in hopes of sucking more money out of people. Those who know the realities of the technologies know this. For my money, I will stick with VZW & let those with fallacies branded to their brain cells go with less features & quality.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Well put man, i completely agree...
    02-09-09 04:44 PM
  5. gotblackberry's Avatar
    (forced data, paying for GPS, $20 extra texting on top of data plan, vzw apps that use texts as IMs, paying for visual VM, extreme prices for tethering, and a few other things in their past that were the last to be corrected by VZW like restricting bluetooth file sharing, restricting MP3s as ring tones, restricting transfers of purchased music from one device to another, restricting personal pictures as backgrounds. Then u have exclusive gimmics like charging airtime to shop their v-cast store and then charging $15 to be able to surf the same store unlimited but then still having to purchase the stuff LMAO too funny, ringtones costing $3 for 20 seconds of a song, etc)
    We used to not* force data. Then people bought blackberries, and guess what, they automatically connect to the data network. Try taking how many kb you used and multiplying it by $.015/kb.. Tell me how much it is. You expect AIM/MSN to not include text? What company does that? VVM is a service, a convenience, we used to charge for regular voice mail but not anymore. Again our prices for tether are along w/ Industry standard. Verizon could double ding you, but we don't. (meaning we could charge you $30 for a data plan for your phone PLUS $60 for tethering if you want to use it as a modem) Instead we give you a $30 discount on the tethering if you have a PDA/BB Internet plan making the tethering $30 extra a month. You can browse VCAST Videos, Mobile Web, (Which have nothing to do with purchasing songs) w/ the $15 vpak. You can also browse online at http://forums.crackberry.com/e?link=...token=hme0qGbA for free. It costs US money to have you browse around on GIN and VCAST all day? We could just raise the price of the plan you pay -- kinda like a socialist state -- or you can pay if you use it, not if you don't. However, I do agree w/ you about restricting bluetooth. I think it would be a good idea to allow this, even thought it opens up all sorts of possibly copyright violations .
    Last edited by Weekendbum; 02-09-09 at 07:56 PM.
    02-09-09 06:26 PM
  6. Cg2Chris's Avatar
    We used to not* force data. Then people bought blackberries, and guess what, they automatically connect to the data network. Try taking how many kb you used and multiplying it by $.015/kb.. Tell me how much it is. You expect AIM/MSN to not include text? What company does that? VVM is a service, a convenience, we used to charge for regular voice mail but not anymore. Again our prices for tether are along w/ Industry standard. Verizon could double ding you, but we don't. (meaning we could charge you $30 for a data plan for your phone PLUS $60 for tethering if you want to use it as a modem) Instead we give you a $30 discount on the tethering if you have a PDA/BB Internet plan making the tethering $30 extra a month. You can browse VCAST Videos, Mobile Web, (Which have nothing to do with purchasing songs) w/ the $15 vpak. You can also browse online at http://forums.crackberry.com/e?link=...token=Gt5FZrtW for free. It costs US money to have you browse around on GIN and VCAST all day? We could just raise the price of the plan you pay -- kinda like a socialist state -- or you can pay if you use it, not if you don't. However, I do agree w/ you about restricting bluetooth. I think it would be a good idea to allow this, even thought it opens up all sorts of possibly copyright violations .
    Yup...I can remember the early days of cell phones when $500+ monthly bills were common and cellphone use was special. No email, no texting, no data, no GPS and they really were bricks just to hold. Don't remember saying WHAAAA! Why don't I get more more more?

    Life does not start and end with our existence.

    We arrive not of our own choice. We eventually contribute, enjoy and.... hopefully, help. Hmmm... maybe that needs to be my new sig?
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    02-09-09 09:58 PM
  7. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    data can be cut clean and u know this! Plus, theres a little option on ur device that says "data services" and u can click.... ON .... OFF! Simple! If we choose to take a risk or pay per kb, guess what! We're adults and we take resposibility for that, be it by signing a waiver, or whatever! Point being, choice is what customers ask for

    And yes, I absolutely expect aim/msn not to count as text msg's! These are internet apps, not text msging apps! The BB versions use data only! As in every other place that aim or MSN is used! To make an instant msging app that used texts msges only, especially in light of textng pricing controvercies (congress still investigating btw), just shows that it was designed to force u to buy a texting plan! Thats an unfair tactic if u ask me!

    As for visual voice mail, yes, I expect it to be free, although I don't demand it to be free. Since the competition has it for free and verizon's storm is obviously trying to compete with iphone, it makes vzw look like greedy pigs to charge when the sister competitor does not! This is the same song for a lot of other features as well.... ummmmm GPS?

    As for tethering, again, pricy compared to the competition! Especially with a 5gb limit! $15 extrea was reasonable but a lot of ppl including myself feel that $30 extra after all the stuff we have to pay for already (calling plan, data, texting) is WAY too much! At the very least offer a darn discount for those who have it all! Don't rape us so badly!

    So u agreed that restricting file sharing was wrong? Why did it change? Ppl got mad right? While I don't assume by any means that I am influencing the carriers by speaking on here, I do feel that if more ppl express their feelings in general, the general concencus changes. Hense the reason why most ppl call verizon .... PRICEY! And many just stay away because of that fact.

    Things were unjust in verizons past and they were corrected over time. And as of today, there are clearly new things and new technologies that pop up in which these companies try to capitolize on! But as history has showed, once they milk it for what its worth,they stop and change. Hense why GPS is unlocked for BB maps. They give u just enough to keep us "in line." But as soon as their #s start to change and their bottom dollar starts to fall, they will change!

    My thing is.... why not just play fair from the start?
    Last edited by RicanMedic78; 02-09-09 at 11:53 PM.
    02-09-09 10:05 PM
  8. jayllea's Avatar
    In my area - verizon is the best service by far..been with sprint,horrible customer service,unexplained charges,dropped calls-at*t..the same story..verizon gives me what I need for a reasonable price and I don't have to worry about any 'surprise' charges, not to mention excellent service..perfect cell provider in my book.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    02-09-09 10:57 PM
  9. SSGCrackberry's Avatar
    I travel all over the US almost constantly and verizon's coverage has never let me down. That's why I stick with it, even though I feel like I'm getting nickel-and-dimed. Capitalism at work--like some people have stated already. If people are willing to pay for the extras, why wouldn't verizon keep charging for them? They know they have the best service and that therefore few people are going to leave them.
    02-09-09 11:11 PM
  10. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    I travel all over the US almost constantly and verizon's coverage has never let me down. That's why I stick with it, even though I feel like I'm getting nickel-and-dimed. Capitalism at work--like some people have stated already. If people are willing to pay for the extras, why wouldn't verizon keep charging for them? They know they have the best service and that therefore few people are going to leave them.
    I sort of feel like u do. They dont let me down when it comes to service and network. But the nickle n diming & restrictions do get to me. I havent been with another carrier in a long long time but I don't doubt that others do things like verizon. But I do know for a fact that its on a much lesser level.

    Maybe its the GPS that frustrates me more than anything. If they would just unlock the darn thing, I might be ok! Till they do, it will always be a love/hate relationship for me! Def leaning more toward hate whenever I see a new program come out, only to scroll down its website to read "not supported by Verizon Wireless."

    Remember when Verizon didn't support aim/yahoo/msn IM apps till what seems like the very end of time? Grrrr! Still Pisses me off!
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    02-09-09 11:47 PM
  11. Bramsy's Avatar
    The term "raped" means assaulted...A .r.a.p.i.s.t uses actual force or violence or the threat of it to take control over another human being.

    Do you feel Verizon is controling you? Forcing you to do something you don't wish to do? If you don't like the fees why not switch carriers?

    Why do so many people feel they deserve something or are owed something by others, including a business like Verizon? Maybe it's the "spread the wealth around" mentality?

    And when I said "owed" I meant up and above what was agreed upon in the beginning...like a Verizon contract.
    You seriously took the time to type this? you got the gist of what he was saying.
    02-10-09 11:14 AM
  12. Bramsy's Avatar
    and OP yes, im in the same boat with you. its just a cell phone for christ sake.

    sprints $99 plan looks better and better every day!
    02-10-09 11:16 AM
  13. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    You seriously took the time to type this? you got the gist of what he was saying.
    I was thinking the same thing!!! Are we dealing with 2 or 3 personality types here??? It sometimes feels that way!
    02-10-09 11:42 AM
  14. PRC's Avatar
    I don't mind paying the "higher price". I haven't dropped a call in like 2 years! My mom dropped one the other day and was so surprised she could not believe it. Starred at her phone for like 5 minutes. lol! It's what you get used to with VZW. Phones are ok, I have to admit I have wanted to kick the VZW CEO in the junk a couple of times when phone releases are all over the place and we have nothing but i guess a phone network that doesn't know what a dropped call is, is better than an Iphone for a paperweight.

    I'm staying with Verizon. Can you hear me now?
    02-10-09 12:05 PM
  15. PinkCowgirl's Avatar
    Verizon is the best service around here, but man they block EVERYTHING...unless it's changed and I am unaware. For me getting ringtones and using GPS or maps on the phone is next to impossible. It's super hard to find free ones that verizon doesn't have a block on.
    02-10-09 12:25 PM
  16. chaznsc's Avatar
    How are they raping you? Pretty strong accusation unless they tied you up.

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    02-10-09 12:29 PM
  17. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    read the prior page. I explained this very clearly

    and plz! lets stay in the ................ metaporic area of discussion, thank you!
    02-10-09 12:35 PM
  18. nursgirl's Avatar
    so help a girl out... I have Sprint but have been thinking about switching to Verizon when my 2 yrs is up... been looking at Verizon's website and am confused...
    How much is an unlimited everything plan with Verizon? It seems like everything is added onto the base price. Navigation is extra? Unlimited texting is extra? I have tried calling them but after holding for an eternity I either get hung up on or give up myself....
    Seriously this might sound like a reject thought but the website is confusing and I am looking for the honest truth... let me have it! LOL
    For anyone with unlimited calls, web, texting, GPS, how much is it running you?
    TIA!
    02-10-09 02:22 PM
  19. gotblackberry's Avatar
    data can be cut clean and u know this! Plus, theres a little option on ur device that says "data services" and u can click.... ON .... OFF! Simple! If we choose to take a risk or pay per kb, guess what! We're adults and we take resposibility for that, be it by signing a waiver, or whatever! Point being, choice is what customers ask for
    It would be great if it were that easy, but in reality, it would be. "Why wouldn't you guys put a data plan on if it automatically connects? I WANT A CREDIT!" The same customers who expect so much and believe they're entitled to the world from their cell phone company and request that we allow them to not have a data plan would be the same customers who call up and want a credit. A blackberry is a DATA device. There is no reason to buy a blackberry unless you want to use it for DATA. Hence, if you don't want to use data, don't buy a Blackberry/PDA. It's very easy.

    And yes, I absolutely expect aim/msn not to count as text msg's! These are internet apps, not text msging apps! The BB versions use data only! As in every other place that aim or MSN is used! To make an instant msging app that used texts msges only, especially in light of textng pricing controvercies (congress still investigating btw), just shows that it was designed to force u to buy a texting plan! Thats an unfair tactic if u ask me!
    Okay, we could charge you data instead if you want. The BB Data plan covers the data charges for BB Messenger.

    As for visual voice mail, yes, I expect it to be free, although I don't demand it to be free. Since the competition has it for free and verizon's storm is obviously trying to compete with iphone, it makes vzw look like greedy pigs to charge when the sister competitor does not! This is the same song for a lot of other features as well.... ummmmm GPS?
    The sister competitor builds it into their price plan. Verizon text plans give you more value than AT&T, we give you better coverage, better reliability, better speed and more IN calling than any other provider.

    As for tethering, again, pricy compared to the competition! Especially with a 5gb limit! $15 extrea was reasonable but a lot of ppl including myself feel that $30 extra after all the stuff we have to pay for already (calling plan, data, texting) is WAY too much! At the very least offer a darn discount for those who have it all! Don't rape us so badly!
    This is amazing. You pay for services, it costs us money to provide you those services and we charge you for them. We're not gouging you, it is fair market value for us to hire employees, maintain a network, a billing system essential to providing services. There are cheaper options out there, but you get what you pay for.

    We do offer a discount for tethering if you already have a data plan. We could double ding you (as I explained above). No one is "raping" anyone.

    AT&T Data Connect: Get Started - | Wireless from AT&T, formerly Cingular

    Same as Verizon.

    So u agreed that restricting file sharing was wrong? Why did it change? Ppl got mad right? While I don't assume by any means that I am influencing the carriers by speaking on here, I do feel that if more ppl express their feelings in general, the general concencus changes. Hense the reason why most ppl call verizon .... PRICEY! And many just stay away because of that fact.
    I don't know why it got changed, I wasn't in the decision making room. We could cut back on services and provide our cell service at a cheaper rate. However with spending cuts, comes service cuts. Again, we're evenly or better price w/ AT&T (our major competition) and we offer more value than AT&T.

    Things were unjust in verizons past and they were corrected over time. And as of today, there are clearly new things and new technologies that pop up in which these companies try to capitolize on! But as history has showed, once they milk it for what its worth,they stop and change. Hense why GPS is unlocked for BB maps. They give u just enough to keep us "in line." But as soon as their #s start to change and their bottom dollar starts to fall, they will change!

    My thing is.... why not just play fair from the start?
    How is VzW not playing far? They're a FOR PROFIT company. They have no obligation to make any changes that they don't deem benefitial to the business. This is the best part of capitalism, you can choose your carrier. If you don't like Verizon, go somewhere else. If enough people do this, Verizon will change things and adapt. This is why we're the best country in the world. Again, Verizon is a for profit company but we invest more of those profits back into our customers and our network than any other company.
    02-10-09 03:12 PM
  20. lennyj17's Avatar
    so help a girl out... I have Sprint but have been thinking about switching to Verizon when my 2 yrs is up... been looking at Verizon's website and am confused...
    How much is an unlimited everything plan with Verizon? It seems like everything is added onto the base price. Navigation is extra? Unlimited texting is extra? I have tried calling them but after holding for an eternity I either get hung up on or give up myself....
    Seriously this might sound like a reject thought but the website is confusing and I am looking for the honest truth... let me have it! LOL
    For anyone with unlimited calls, web, texting, GPS, how much is it running you?
    TIA!
    Verizon - does not have a All-Inclusive Unlimited Everything you have to stack and once you have Unlimited Mins - BIS - Text - Gps - VCAST TV You're looking at paying 180$ a month vs 99$ with Sprint....

    I'm sorry in this economy I'm not dying to pay MORE!
    02-10-09 03:22 PM
  21. gotblackberry's Avatar
    And sprint comes w/ unlimited drop calls too
    02-10-09 03:23 PM
  22. lennyj17's Avatar
    Nope not really - I almost need someone to explain to me what a dropped call is again. I know i'd get skooled again if I was on ATT!
    02-10-09 03:32 PM
  23. Cg2Chris's Avatar
    You seriously took the time to type this? you got the gist of what he was saying.
    No I just thought it and it appeared on the screen.

    You took the time to read it?
    02-10-09 03:36 PM
  24. Lowsol94's Avatar
    Hasn't anyone learned yet that each carrier is different to each person. It comes down to educating your self which would be best for you. If you think something is unfair YOU made the wrong choice. I'm sick of people blaming others for their issues. What ever happened to personal responsibility. Anyone ever think that's why this country is failing? Its not always someone else's fault.

    HAHAHAHHA awesome..^^^^^^
    02-10-09 03:39 PM
  25. Cg2Chris's Avatar
    Hasn't anyone learned yet that each carrier is different to each person. It comes down to educating your self which would be best for you. If you think something is unfair YOU made the wrong choice. I'm sick of people blaming others for their issues. What ever happened to personal responsibility. Anyone ever think that's why this country is failing? Its not always someone else's fault.

    HAHAHAHHA awesome..^^^^^^
    amen, bro...
    02-10-09 03:41 PM
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