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  1. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Here we go. Without catching up on the entire thread I would bet entitlement is the theme of the people being raped.
    Let's see if I can help get it going...

    OH I AM SO ENTITLED TO CHEAP/DISCOUNTED/FREE SERVICES BECAUSE THESE COMPANIES ARE SO BIG & THEY CAN AFFORD IT!!! THEY RAPE ME BECAUSE I CONTINUE TO PAY THEM BECAUSE I HAVE A RIGHT TO UNLIMITED CELL PHONE/DATA & GPS SERVICE AND WON'T BE HAPPY UNTIL THEY PAY ME FOR TAKING THEIR SERVICE!!! THE BIG COMPANIES SHOULDN'T MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF ME OR MY FRIENDS!!! I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT CELL/DATA/GPS BECAUSE IT IS A TOTAL NECESSITY! HOW CAN ANYONE LIVE WITHOUT IT???

    The premise is absurd - of course, so are the demands.

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    02-23-09 07:51 PM
  2. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    I have a question. How much should tethering be? Also, why should we not require data plans for DATA PHONES? We could not require them and have to give big credits to customers who call in about their high bills, which would then raise our prices for other things to make up for the cost. Streamlining data by requiring data plans was very very smart. Just curious though, what would be a "fair" price for you.
    #1 I pay for data already! Paying for tethering is like paying twice for data. And while I will accept a nominal fee on top of phone data prices as a compromise, it defeats the purpose to pay an extra $30 JUST for tethering when you can get a plan thats comperable (or maybe even cheaper) with your cable/phone company without any limts at all! This is not just a verizon rant, this goes industry wide as well! Its not in the price range for the masses. The technology has been around for a long time (I used to tether with my startac) and even back then (10+ years ago), it was actually cheaper to tether with my phone and my old IBM thinkpad. Shoot, I even did a little online gaming! I always said, I can see an extra $15 on top of BIS service as a compromise for the higher data traffic expected on the network, but an extire $30??? Totally useless at that point and doesn't ake it a marketable feature for us. Then the 5gb limit is the icing on the cake!

    #2 And as for required data... simple, OTHER CARRIERS DON'T REQUIRE IT! Its as simple as that! I may want a blackberry because I want the ability to get push email but then cut it off if its not in my budget. I may want the phone and may like the way the keyboard and OS functions. Do u buy a corvette knowing ur going to go 150+ mph??? But u may want it from to take advantage of it when you can right??? So back to phones, if other carriers don't require it (and I dont see any carrier dying because their too busy giving credits to ppl who don't know how to retrict data to their device), then why should verizon be any different??? If I pay the price required, I should be able to get the device I want! Simple as that! other carriers agree. Why does verizon have to be the company to disagree???




    Say you're on a 450 plan. You have 80 million customers, you're fine on your plan. Why exactly do you need MORE unlimited calling? Say we gave you F&F on 450. You know what your complaint would be since you would be using so few minutes? "Why is their not a lower plan, I mean verizon is LOCKING me into this HIGHER plan just to 'rape my wallet'"
    This is silly! your assuming people pay for what they need at all cost! I was at a 450 min plan and restricted my usage heavily just to acomodate the plan (budget). Thats how we live! If we all can pay for whatever we desired, then we'd all be wealthy and can pay for anything we want at any time! This is stupid and its either coming from a rich guy who never had to balance a budget, or from an extremely ignorant one.

    Geez Dad, a 61" TV is the size we needed! So why did you opt for the 47"??? Son... let me explain to you a little thing called ..... BUDGET!
    02-23-09 08:18 PM
  3. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    Let's see if I can help get it going...

    OH I AM SO ENTITLED TO CHEAP/DISCOUNTED/FREE SERVICES BECAUSE THESE COMPANIES ARE SO BIG & THEY CAN AFFORD IT!!! THEY RAPE ME BECAUSE I CONTINUE TO PAY THEM BECAUSE I HAVE A RIGHT TO UNLIMITED CELL PHONE/DATA & GPS SERVICE AND WON'T BE HAPPY UNTIL THEY PAY ME FOR TAKING THEIR SERVICE!!! THE BIG COMPANIES SHOULDN'T MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF ME OR MY FRIENDS!!! I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT CELL/DATA/GPS BECAUSE IT IS A TOTAL NECESSITY! HOW CAN ANYONE LIVE WITHOUT IT???

    The premise is absurd - of course, so are the demands.

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    and of course, with u, its all black and white ... thats what's so scary about republicans! I don't want to envoke politics here but you have the same mindset .... that in life, there are solely "absolutes." And while the world advances and becomes more and more progressive, you'll be holding on to your absolutes and your radicalness... Be it the mobile industry ... or ... the fact that we have a black "QUALIFIED" president which obviously bothers you greatly. Those who believe in absolutes are the last to change... scary!
    Last edited by RicanMedic78; 02-23-09 at 08:32 PM.
    02-23-09 08:28 PM
  4. ScottRPriester's Avatar
    #2 And as for required data... simple, OTHER CARRIERS DON'T REQUIRE IT! Its as simple as that! I may want a blackberry because I want the ability to get push email but then cut it off if its not in my budget. I may want the phone and may like the way the keyboard and OS functions. Do u buy a corvette knowing ur going to go 150+ mph??? But u may want it from to take advantage of it when you can right??? So back to phones, if other carriers don't require it (and I dont see any carrier dying because their too busy giving credits to ppl who don't know how to retrict data to their device), then why should verizon be any different??? If I pay the price required, I should be able to get the device I want! Simple as that! other carriers agree. Why does verizon have to be the company to disagree???
    I'm known in my store as being someone who is blatantly honest with customers. Some appreciate it, some can't handle it. This topic is one that I love to talk about, even when it's not my customer.

    As a wireless company, we offer these devices for one reason and one reason only. We don't market them to teenie boppers who want to take them to school and show off. We don't market them to people who just want a calendar or note pad. We don't market them to people who want it just for texting.

    These are phones that are much more sophisticated than the average phone, and cost much more than the average phone. Thinking business minded, why would we offer a product like that and not capitalize on it's intended purpose? So what if the other carriers don't, it's a bad business decision not to capitalize on the phones potential in this day and economy. They are loosing an immense amount of business by just letting anyone take them home.

    Sure we have people leave upset over this issue, but at the end of the day, we are getting this product in to the hands of the people that are going to use it for what it's intended for, and that's our goal.
    02-23-09 08:40 PM
  5. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    same idea goes for any pda. Why is blackberry any different. Why is verizon any different from the competition for that matter when it comes to this?

    U say its a sophisticated phone, I take it, for sophisticated ppl, correct? So why don't you let it be that way on its own instead of inventing a restriction for the purpose of making "MORE" money and then pawning it off as a big man's toy as the reasoning for that restriction
    02-23-09 09:49 PM
  6. JoeyMoose's Avatar
    I got VZW and my bill is cheap than it was with that stupid other phone that won't be mentioned. Service is always good and the 3g network is huge. I'm satisfied.
    02-23-09 09:50 PM
  7. JoeyMoose's Avatar
    I got VZW and my bill is cheaper than it was with that stupid other phone that won't be mentioned. Service is always good and the 3g network is huge. I'm satisfied.
    02-23-09 09:51 PM
  8. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Sure we have people leave upset over this issue, but at the end of the day, we are getting this product in to the hands of the people that are going to use it for what it's intended for, and that's our goal.
    Simply put, the bottom feeders are not typically as loyal, nor as profitable, as the next rung up.

    I buy my insurance from the company that gives me top-flight service. I enjoy shopping at Nordstrom and not Walmart. I drive cars that feel good to drive and not the cheap, soulless models.

    I don't mind spending money on things that I want, with service I expect. In purchasing service and devices from VZW, I do so knowing that if my VZW phone doesn't work in an area, odds are that no one else's will either.

    AT&T & T-Mobile cater to the bottom-feeders of the consumer world; it is how they maintain a customer base in the face of poor coverage and crappy, third-world GSM technology. Sprint simple struggles to stay afloat, again because of lousy coverage & poor service. They've fallen into a mode where they mistreat employees, so these same employees don't carry pride into what they do and it shows in their customer service skills.

    All too often, manufacturers create for GSM first, as it is the "hip-technology." Kids are on T-Mobile or AT&T and so these two carriers gain street cred or whatever they call it these days.

    Of course, we know about kids' taste. They go for things like Hannah Montana, Britney Spears & Snoop-Dog. They also think Escalades and 26inch oversized wheels are cool.

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    02-23-09 10:50 PM
  9. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Sure we have people leave upset over this issue, but at the end of the day, we are getting this product in to the hands of the people that are going to use it for what it's intended for, and that's our goal.
    Simply put, the bottom feeders are not typically as loyal, nor as profitable, as the next rung up.

    I buy my insurance from the company that gives me top-flight service. I enjoy shopping at Nordstrom and not Walmart. I drive cars that feel good to drive and not the cheap, soulless models.

    I don't mind spending money on things that I want, with service I expect. In purchasing service and devices from VZW, I do so knowing that if my VZW phone doesn't work in an area, odds are that no one else's will either.

    AT&T & T-Mobile cater to the bottom-feeders of the consumer world; it is how they maintain a customer base in the face of poor coverage and crappy, third-world GSM technology. Sprint simple struggles to stay afloat, again because of lousy coverage & poor service. They've fallen into a mode where they mistreat employees, so these same employees don't carry pride into what they do and it shows in their customer service skills.

    All too often, manufacturers create for GSM first, as it is the "hip-technology." Kids are on T-Mobile or AT&T and so these two carriers gain street cred or whatever they call it these days.

    Of course, we know about kids' taste. They go for things like Hannah Montana, Britney Spears & Snoop-Dog. They also think Escalades and 26inch oversized wheels are cool.

    It helps too that it costs less to develop GSM phones - too often, the base technology is spread in SIM cards, plus the componentry is simply cheaper. Once a phone model catches on, they go ahead with a CDMA model.

    But the kids keep saying VZW doesn't give them the latest phones, without ever thinking the manufacturers aren't offering up the latest phones until they are first run through GSM. Europe also plays into the GSM scheme as GSM is the chosen technology in socialist markets.

    The finest companies are selective in what they offer and who they offer it to. If you don't like the fact VZW doesn't offer a smartphone without a data package or you are irrationally upset about the realities of GPS technology, quit proving to the world that you're a whiner who made a bad decision and switch to the company you think will give you everything you need. You may just be a bottom-feeder and you really need to habg in Walmart instead of Nordstrom; drive your Hyundai & leave the BMW to those who not only appreciate them, but who don't whine about their cost.

    Or as we used to think when I was younger, I'll take the Cadillac, the Packard, the Lincoln. You can drive your Volkswagen.

    How's that for posting after an evening with Glenfiddich???

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    02-23-09 11:02 PM
  10. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    bottom feeders? LMAO!!! what kind of ppl are on this site????
    02-24-09 12:27 AM
  11. gotblackberry's Avatar
    #1 I pay for data already! Paying for tethering is like paying twice for data. And while I will accept a nominal fee on top of phone data prices as a compromise, it defeats the purpose to pay an extra $30 JUST for tethering when you can get a plan thats comperable (or maybe even cheaper) with your cable/phone company without any limts at all!
    Can you use your phone/cable company modem on a bus? How about in a taxi? How about in the office? How about almost ANYWHERE ELSE you are? You do realize that it costs a lot more to broadcast a data signal wirelessly than it does through the ground, right? Can you do that? You're not only paying for the data, you're paying for the service, for the convenience. This is why convenient stores usually cost more than an actual grocery store. Make sense?

    Also, you pay for data services on your PHONE. YOUR MOBILE DEVICE. Not to use your mobile phone as a gateway to connect to your laptop. It costs MONEY for the company to provide the bandwidth to allow you to do that. This is why you can not take your current home connection and LAN your neighbors then charge them. This is why you can't setup servers and run them unless you pay for a BIGGER connection that allows for more bandwidth transfer. Ever played on a laggy counter-strike server? Been to a slow website? Wondering why websites usually asks for donations to stay up? It's because bandwidth costs money.

    This is not just a verizon rant, this goes industry wide as well! Its not in the price range for the masses. The technology has been around for a long time (I used to tether with my startac) and even back then (10+ years ago), it was actually cheaper to tether with my phone and my old IBM thinkpad. Shoot, I even did a little online gaming! I always said, I can see an extra $15 on top of BIS service as a compromise for the higher data traffic expected on the network, but an extire $30??? Totally useless at that point and doesn't ake it a marketable feature for us. Then the 5gb limit is the icing on the cake!
    We could charge you an extra $60. That's how much people pay for their aircards or if they don't already have a data plan. Again, take a network class. Learn the difference in bandwidth requirements for BIS vs BES (which is why BES costs more) and why playing World of Warcraft or constantly seeding/leeching torrents on your aircard does not make business sense for Verizon Wireless. Hence the cap.

    #2 And as for required data... simple, OTHER CARRIERS DON'T REQUIRE IT! Its as simple as that! I may want a blackberry because I want the ability to get push email but then cut it off if its not in my budget. I may want the phone and may like the way the keyboard and OS functions. Do u buy a corvette knowing ur going to go 150+ mph??? But u may want it from to take advantage of it when you can right??? So back to phones, if other carriers don't require it (and I dont see any carrier dying because their too busy giving credits to ppl who don't know how to retrict data to their device), then why should verizon be any different??? If I pay the price required, I should be able to get the device I want! Simple as that! other carriers agree. Why does verizon have to be the company to disagree???
    I buy a corvette knowing I am overpaying for features I will probably never use. RPM, High Speed, Insane traction control among other things. If other carriers do not require it [which is true, but with downsides] then you're more than happy to move over to one of those other carriers. Verizon hates to lose it's customers, but we try to balance the needs of the business w/ the needs of the customers. All of our phones have calendars, all of them have a form of Mobile Email. However, blackberry devices are DATA devices - period. They're for use w/ DATA products. Not because Paris Hilton has one. If you do not have a data plan on the other carriers, you can not connect to the BB network (no BBMSGR, among other things) Our phones automatically connect, which is another reason why Verizon requires it. Again, this was clearly disclosed to you at purchase, and you agreed to it.





    This is silly! your assuming people pay for what they need at all cost! I was at a 450 min plan and restricted my usage heavily just to acomodate the plan (budget). Thats how we live! If we all can pay for whatever we desired, then we'd all be wealthy and can pay for anything we want at any time! This is stupid and its either coming from a rich guy who never had to balance a budget, or from an extremely ignorant one.

    Geez Dad, a 61" TV is the size we needed! So why did you opt for the 47"??? Son... let me explain to you a little thing called ..... BUDGET!
    If you totally listed your budget on this forum. I bet I could cut $.64/day. Either by taking a shorter route, cutting out the starbucks, cutting out the routine anything. It's $20 for double your minutes. If you need a bailout -- Call Obama, he rewards irresponsibility.
    02-24-09 02:08 AM
  12. Bigdaddy2009's Avatar
    Wow! What do you do that requires all these phones, lines and coverage? I hope it's something HUGE to justify $280 a month!
    the One Blackberry line is mine and another regular line as a backup, and the other two lines are used for the same thing by my roomate. we only pay 140 a month each for a blackberry and a regular phone.
    02-24-09 05:59 AM
  13. ScottRPriester's Avatar
    U say its a sophisticated phone, I take it, for sophisticated ppl, correct?
    Incorrect.

    Compare a Blackberry 9530 to a Samsung U340. That's what I mean by sophistication. A basic phone with a low quality camera compared to a high end multi media Blackberry.

    When further questioning people who don't want a data package, most of the time they will say "I just want a phone that works and to be able to text"

    Keep going on and on and on, it's not going to change. As a matter of fact, we have heard that some of our other multi media phones, like the Dare, the Glyde, etc may be requiring the VCast package. We are not sure, but this may be coming. We have way to many people buying these devices, we explain they have certain capabilities, and they swear they won't use them, then they come in waiving and crying with their 400 dollar phone bill.

    It's not going to change.
    02-24-09 06:24 AM
  14. ScottRPriester's Avatar
    You can drive your Volkswagen.
    Hold on about VW now.......I can show you my 2007 GTI and it sure as **** isn't a soulless little car.
    02-24-09 06:27 AM
  15. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    If you need a bailout -- Call Obama, he rewards irresponsibility.
    u mean as opposed to the garbage bail out a few weeks before passed by bush? Yea, I'll take Obama's any day of the week!

    I also bet he won't start any illegal wars costing trillions of tax payer dollars!

    But that's a different subject....
    02-24-09 09:13 AM
  16. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Hold on about VW now.......I can show you my 2007 GTI and it sure as **** isn't a soulless little car.
    I hear you - I was upset over the cancellation of the new Scirocco!

    But my intent was framed in an era dominated by luxury giants (at the time) Packard, Cadillac & Lincoln. Back then, VW offered the Type 1 Beetle & the Type 2 Microbus; curious basic transportation modules.

    I guess I could've said Falcon or Dart or Chevy II.

    Overall, I look at the likes of AT&T as that grungy old slant 6 Plynouth Valiant. It got you where you needed to go without flash or extras. While the engine was lackluster in performance, every one of its 225 cubic inches was bulletproof. Too bad the car was a rustbucket. I look at T-Mobile as the old Buick. Solid & quiet, but really not high-performance except in a straight line. The perfect used car for the teeny-bopper's first - safe, not too expensive & easy on insurance. Sprint, I see a direct correlation with Yugo - no explanation needed. VZW is on par with BMW or Cadillac (C, not D). Good value, high reliability, exemplary performance.

    If you want low cost & personalization options, get a Scion xB. If you want high performance, you avoid the low end of the market. VZW is not the low end of the market.

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    02-24-09 10:21 AM
  17. Lowsol94's Avatar
    Let's see if I can help get it going...

    OH I AM SO ENTITLED TO CHEAP/DISCOUNTED/FREE SERVICES BECAUSE THESE COMPANIES ARE SO BIG & THEY CAN AFFORD IT!!! THEY RAPE ME BECAUSE I CONTINUE TO PAY THEM BECAUSE I HAVE A RIGHT TO UNLIMITED CELL PHONE/DATA & GPS SERVICE AND WON'T BE HAPPY UNTIL THEY PAY ME FOR TAKING THEIR SERVICE!!! THE BIG COMPANIES SHOULDN'T MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF ME OR MY FRIENDS!!! I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT CELL/DATA/GPS BECAUSE IT IS A TOTAL NECESSITY! HOW CAN ANYONE LIVE WITHOUT IT???

    The premise is absurd - of course, so are the demands.
    Hey thanks!! I'm bored at work. I'd love to pick it up from here.
    02-24-09 10:35 AM
  18. Lowsol94's Avatar
    and of course, with u, its all black and white ... thats what's so scary about republicans! I don't want to envoke politics here but you have the same mindset .... that in life, there are solely "absolutes." And while the world advances and becomes more and more progressive, you'll be holding on to your absolutes and your radicalness... Be it the mobile industry ... or ... the fact that we have a black "QUALIFIED" president which obviously bothers you greatly. Those who believe in absolutes are the last to change... scary!
    This always makes my day go faster.

    I'm seeing black and white with the fact that everything is unfair to you. With cell phones it is black and white. You either need it or you don't. You either can afford it or you can't. There isn't any in between. "well i want it but i hate to pay for it. or I want the device but I don't want to use it for what its made for." aaannnddd last I knew the comparing device....The iphone has a required $30.00 data plan. Look at that a penny more. And a quick peek with them also. BB plan with tethering is $60.00. Least expensive tethering option on VZW is $44.99 which is the exact same data, access and usage. I'm just comparing a equal competitor.

    And as for tethering on a StarTAC. I'm sure the speed and coverage was exactly the same as it is today. If not I bet there was quite a bit of time, people, and money involved in infrastructure since then. All to improve it for the people paying the bill so they can have usable service.
    Last edited by Lowsol94; 02-24-09 at 10:55 AM.
    02-24-09 10:43 AM
  19. gotblackberry's Avatar
    u mean as opposed to the garbage bail out a few weeks before passed by bush? Yea, I'll take Obama's any day of the week!

    I also bet he won't start any illegal wars costing trillions of tax payer dollars!

    But that's a different subject....
    I would have said GW Bush if he was in office, but unfortunately Bush isn't in office anymore. Also, there can be an argument made that $700B for banks would have been more stimulating in theory then $763B for people who don't pay for the mortgages, for condoms, and for other parks projects..Anyways, it all won't work and then Obama is going to say "Oh it was too little too late.." LOL I can't wait for it.

    Illegal war, man, show me the law that was broken. Pretty sure the executive has sole authority to send troops. Congress just funds it!
    02-24-09 02:36 PM
  20. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    I would have said GW Bush if he was in office, but unfortunately Bush isn't in office anymore. Also, there can be an argument made that $700B for banks would have been more stimulating in theory then $763B for people who don't pay for the mortgages, for condoms, and for other parks projects..Anyways, it all won't work and then Obama is going to say "Oh it was too little too late.." LOL I can't wait for it.

    Illegal war, man, show me the law that was broken. Pretty sure the executive has sole authority to send troops. Congress just funds it!
    He also conveniently misses the fact it is Congress who passes spending bills, not the president.

    End of 2005, federal deficit @ $425 billion. Today, it is over $2 trillion. What happened since the end of 2005? The entitlement brigade took control.

    So now we have more fleecing to complain about than just our phone service.

    Just as you have a responsibility to be educated as to your purchasing decisions, your bigger responsibility is to vote with an educated opinion.

    Knowing how the process works is the first step to either.

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    02-24-09 02:54 PM
  21. gotblackberry's Avatar
    He also conveniently misses the fact it is Congress who passes spending bills, not the president.

    End of 2005, federal deficit @ $425 billion. Today, it is over $2 trillion. What happened since the end of 2005? The entitlement brigade took control.

    So now we have more fleecing to complain about than just our phone service.

    Just as you have a responsibility to be educated as to your purchasing decisions, your bigger responsibility is to vote with an educated opinion.

    Knowing how the process works is the first step to either.

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    Yeah it is funny that right when Dem's took control of congress in 2006 that amazingly the deficit went up. Of course, if they could just raise taxes on those rich people more we could pay for all this free stuff.
    02-24-09 03:53 PM
  22. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    I'm seeing black and white with the fact that everything is unfair to you. With cell phones it is black and white. You either need it or you don't. You either can afford it or you can't. There isn't any in between.
    to those issues u mentioned... u are right! It also has nothing to do with anything I mentioned so there is no rebuttle!

    "well i want it but i hate to pay for it.
    No where have I stated this... This is a silly and fooish statement that shows zero logic and is an obvious gripe that stems from some sort of warped conservative philosophy u have of people who want things for free. Welfare arguements and philosophy have no precidence in this issue as no one is asking for a handout here...

    or I want the device but I don't want to use it for what its made for."
    Who gets to dictate what a phone is designed for? Verizon??? It was designed for supporting many features. Just because a phone has GPS doesn't mean it was designed for GPS "REQUIRING" a GPS fee to activate the device. Just because the phone does multimedia messaging does mean the phone was designed for multimedia messaging "REQUIRING" a fee to activate the device. Just because the device can tether, doesn't mean that the phone was designed for tethering "REQUIRING" a fee to activate the device. And lastly, just because it has a data feature doesn't mean a data fee should be "REQUIRED" to activate the device. Again, look at the competition. You can't say a device is "DESIGNED" for something, when your competitors don't see it that way and allow you the option to add or not add, just like any other feature on your device.

    aaannnddd last I knew the comparing device....The iphone has a required $30.00 data plan. Look at that a penny more. And a quick peek with them also. BB plan with tethering is $60.00. Least expensive tethering option on VZW is $44.99 which is the exact same data, access and usage. I'm just comparing a equal competitor.
    true... verizon is not alone here
    02-25-09 01:10 AM
  23. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    Also, there can be an argument made that $700B for banks would have been more stimulating in theory then $763B for people who don't pay for the mortgages, for condoms, and for other parks projects..
    well, we already saw the results of the first stimulus plan. $700B for banks already flopped and we saw ZERO lending on their part and 100% continuation of lavish lifestyles of the rich! So much for that stimulus! So should we just try it the same way again Einstein?

    Anyways, it all won't work and then Obama is going to say "Oh it was too little too late.." LOL I can't wait for it.
    Can't wait for it? So I guess you can't wait for this country to fail huh? Why how patriotic of you Sir!

    Illegal war, man, show me the law that was broken. Pretty sure the executive has sole authority to send troops. Congress just funds it!
    1st, the president has the power to send troops, no start wars. Only congress can approve an actual war resolution. 2nd, show me the evidence for justification for an invasion, a war, and financial disaster that had ZERO to do with 9/11? And your angry about Obama's stimulus bill? You poor misguided baby

    Yeah it is funny that right when Dem's took control of congress in 2006 that amazingly the deficit went up. Of course, if they could just raise taxes on those rich people more we could pay for all this free stuff.
    its amazing how clinton left office with trillion dollar surpluses and bush squandered it in his first term in office!

    He also conveniently misses the fact it is Congress who passes spending bills, not the president.
    incorrect! The president chooses what he signs into law. Therefore, bills are either taylored to what he wants.... or... he will not sign. The president has the ultimate authority in picking and choosing what will work and what won't. So yes, the president is 100% involved and the most important part of the entire process!

    End of 2005, federal deficit @ $425 billion. Today, it is over $2 trillion. What happened since the end of 2005? The entitlement brigade took control.
    Show me evidence of this instead of just using the date that democrats took over and saying thats when we incurred huge deficits. Because its widely known that we have been in extreme deficit for the last 6+ years and not since 2006 as you mentioned above! That must be due to something Bush inherited from the clinton years I bet.

    Just as you have a responsibility to be educated as to your purchasing decisions, your bigger responsibility is to vote with an educated opinion.
    I agree... the problem is that when one is educated but still close minded, the educated just end up being the ignorantly educated.


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    02-25-09 01:25 AM
  24. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    I'm seeing black and white with the fact that everything is unfair to you. With cell phones it is black and white. You either need it or you don't. You either can afford it or you can't. There isn't any in between. "well i want it but i hate to pay for it. or I want the device but I don't want to use it for what its made for." aaannnddd last I knew the comparing device....The iphone has a required $30.00 data plan. Look at that a penny more. And a quick peek with them also. BB plan with tethering is $60.00. Least expensive tethering option on VZW is $44.99 which is the exact same data, access and usage. I'm just comparing a equal competitor.

    And as for tethering on a StarTAC. I'm sure the speed and coverage was exactly the same as it is today. If not I bet there was quite a bit of time, people, and money involved in infrastructure since then. All to improve it for the people paying the bill so they can have usable service.
    Speaking of tethering and carriers and charges - has anyone noticed that Sprint has quietly asked Palm to remove tethering capability from the Pre?

    Don't yet know if it is a hardware change or what, but... it kind of fits the trend I've been hearing rumored. one that I heard from an AT&T source is that AT&T has asked that tethering be disabled from the Curve2.

    Sounds like a large portion of the argument may be moot, folks - VZW isn't the bad guy here.
    02-25-09 01:27 AM
  25. gotblackberry's Avatar
    well, we already saw the results of the first stimulus plan. $700B for banks already flopped and we saw ZERO lending on their part and 100% continuation of lavish lifestyles of the rich! So much for that stimulus! So should we just try it the same way again Einstein?
    No. We shouldn't do any stimulus Einstein. The only stimulus we should do is cut taxes for corporations and those making over $250,000 per year. That is the stimulus. Bush screwed up and Obama is screwing up more. It's not going to work, it's going to prolong our recession.

    Study: Bush's Capital Gains Tax Cuts Provided Stimulus; More Revenue | Reuters

    Can't wait for it? So I guess you can't wait for this country to fail huh? Why how patriotic of you Sir!
    Explain to me how the country hinges on this stimulus. Please.

    1st, the president has the power to send troops, no start wars. Only congress can approve an actual war resolution. 2nd, show me the evidence for justification for an invasion, a war, and financial disaster that had ZERO to do with 9/11? And your angry about Obama's stimulus bill? You poor misguided baby
    So sending troops isn't starting a war? When was the last time we declared war? Do you know how many times we've deployed troops since then? LOL. Congress continued to write blank checks to the president even after they ran on getting us out. Now obama won't even get us out. Amazing.


    incorrect! The president chooses what he signs into law. Therefore, bills are either taylored to what he wants.... or... he will not sign. The president has the ultimate authority in picking and choosing what will work and what won't. So yes, the president is 100% involved and the most important part of the entire process!
    A veto can be overridden. It's called checks & balances.
    02-25-09 02:04 AM
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