1. POC3442's Avatar
    I know Verizon is testing out the 4G network in Boston and Seatle...and one or two others...and I also know that they plan on rolling out the 4G network to 20-30 cities...anyone know if there is a hard fact or rummored list anywhere?

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    11-21-09 05:03 AM
  2. skyboxer's Avatar
    I'm sure there is a list somewhere, locked away. Remember the first 4G devices are likely to be laptop cards and such so we may be looking at 2012 before we see 4G berries all over.

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    11-21-09 06:31 AM
  3. big.daddy's Avatar
    not that i am pro at&t but, what is the advantage of boasting a 4g network when there are no devices (phones) to take advantage of it? By the time the phones start coming out At&t will have rolled out (possibly) their 4g network negating the advantage of being first. Am i wrong.
    11-21-09 10:04 AM
  4. ikith's Avatar
    not that i am pro at&t but, what is the advantage of boasting a 4g network when there are no devices (phones) to take advantage of it? By the time the phones start coming out At&t will have rolled out (possibly) their 4g network negating the advantage of being first. Am i wrong.
    Their 3g network is small enough so unless they invest more into 4g over 3g their 4g is going to be crappier then their 3g. So even if they do get it a first the one with the largest 4g network will always win.

    If they do get it first they can boast OH FIRST 4G until verizon puts theirs up and says LARGEST 4G NETWORK... Which wins first or largest?
    11-21-09 10:19 AM
  5. lastraid's Avatar
    not that i am pro at&t but, what is the advantage of boasting a 4g network when there are no devices (phones) to take advantage of it? By the time the phones start coming out At&t will have rolled out (possibly) their 4g network negating the advantage of being first. Am i wrong.
    As stated before - modems and embedded modems will be out far before phones will. This is where advanteage is.
    Last edited by lastraid; 11-21-09 at 11:57 AM.
    11-21-09 10:19 AM
  6. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    As stated before - modems and embedded modems will out far before phones will. This is where advanteage is.
    They exist now, as do phones with it. The people who say "no devices" are stretching... why offer a device with no network? Flip a switch overnight, network on, devices for sale.... poof, it is all there.

    And the list isn't locked away..... I know which areas. Thousands of people know what areas. I even know the sequential order.

    Give it up - most of you have no need for, nor would you know what to do with 4G speeds on a handheld.
    11-21-09 11:53 AM
  7. lastraid's Avatar
    They exist now, as do phones with it. The people who say "no devices" are stretching... why offer a device with no network? Flip a switch overnight, network on, devices for sale.... poof, it is all there.

    And the list isn't locked away..... I know which areas. Thousands of people know what areas. I even know the sequential order.

    Give it up - most of you have no need for, nor would you know what to do with 4G speeds on a handheld.
    Threre ya all go - The GURU has spoken and I am sure the info is correct Thread dead
    11-21-09 11:58 AM
  8. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Guru? I don't see any gurus. I don't even see any mountain tops!
    11-21-09 12:15 PM
  9. lastraid's Avatar
    Guru? I don't see any gurus. I don't even see any mountain tops!
    Thats AZ for ya Your part anyway.
    11-21-09 12:29 PM
  10. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Uh huh - that's why one of my driveways has a 26% grade. Don't know what holds the snow up to the east of me, either... but I see it there every year.
    11-21-09 12:32 PM
  11. Gawain's Avatar
    Give it up - most of you have no need for, nor would you know what to do with 4G speeds on a handheld.
    Now that's funny right there....we all know the best use of high-speed internet regardless of device used.....ask any young American (sh*t any age) male.... ::

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    11-21-09 03:43 PM
  12. sprke81's Avatar
    They exist now, as do phones with it. The people who say "no devices" are stretching... why offer a device with no network? Flip a switch overnight, network on, devices for sale.... poof, it is all there.

    And the list isn't locked away..... I know which areas. Thousands of people know what areas. I even know the sequential order.

    Give it up - most of you have no need for, nor would you know what to do with 4G speeds on a handheld.
    So when I look at a cell tower can you tell me of any signs that I could look for that it has LTE equipment installed? Like different looking antennas etc..

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    11-21-09 06:04 PM
  13. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Now that's funny right there....we all know the best use of high-speed internet regardless of device used.....ask any young American (sh*t any age) male.... ::
    Porn video downloading when you just can't wait 12 seconds because your "experience" is done in 10....

    So when I look at a cell tower can you tell me of any signs that I could look for that it has LTE equipment installed? Like different looking antennas etc..
    Unless you climb up there, not apparent. Any new tower-side equipment handles 2G/3G/LTE in the same transmitters & within the same housings.

    1900PCS & 700/850MHz is pretty easy - 1900 has smaller antennas. Other than that, nothing really.
    11-21-09 07:04 PM
  14. kch50428's Avatar
    If they do get it first they can boast OH FIRST 4G until verizon puts theirs up and says LARGEST 4G NETWORK... Which wins first or largest?
    The one that actually works is the one that wins.
    11-21-09 07:41 PM
  15. gotblackberry's Avatar
    I can't wait for WoW: II Mobile.
    11-21-09 08:09 PM
  16. pkcable's Avatar
    We got the "other" one here in Philly, WifiMax. Both sprint & Comcast are selling it as well as the owner a group called Clear.

    EDIT: They are selling is as VoIP, home internet and aircards.
    11-21-09 08:27 PM
  17. TaZ52083's Avatar
    Hows it holding there pkcable.
    11-22-09 11:38 AM
  18. TaZ52083's Avatar
    I'm wondering when will verizon start advertising the 4g.
    11-29-09 09:07 AM
  19. Coraya's Avatar
    whats the improvement with 4G? especially if berries are coming out with wifi?
    11-29-09 05:37 PM
  20. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    whats the improvement with 4G? especially if berries are coming out with wifi?
    WiFi is nowhere close to the speed or coverage of the 4G being promised by VZW, AT&T or Sprint.
    11-30-09 12:45 AM
  21. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    EDIT: They are selling is as VoIP, home internet and aircards.
    Exactly - not very mobile, actually. It is portable, but not reliable while in motion.

    Clear is the Clearwire brand of mobile Internet. Technically, it is the service & Sprint is reselling it (even though same company) & Comcast is also reselling it. Other CATV/Broadband providers are starting to offer it as well.

    An interesting sidenote to it all is Cox Communications picked up 700MHz licenses - and has contracted with Huawei to build their new independent voice/data network AND will be tied into a reciprocal agreement with Sprint & a tentative secondary one with AT&T.

    It is possible that Sprint & Cox may be the first carriers to offer CDMA/LTE/WiMAX - mobile telephony, data, video, fiber, etc.

    It promises to be a very interesting time in telecom - what looks to be a sure thing may not end up that way. Don't bet that today's status quo will be tomorrow's.
    11-30-09 12:57 AM
  22. pkcable's Avatar
    An interesting side note, Comcast is offering the Clear 4G aircards (card free with 1 year agreement) at 30 per month for existing Tripleplay customers. This is the 4G only, which just works in the 4G cities. Comcast will also resell you the 3G/4G, with 3G provided by Sprint, but the pricing is more and the card is not free.
    11-30-09 11:49 AM
  23. i7guy's Avatar
    WiFi is nowhere close to the speed or coverage of the 4G being promised by VZW, AT&T or Sprint.
    Hmm, speedtests on laptops hooked to N router @ home get 30mbps down and 5mbps up. Not sure how that compares to 4G. Whether phones' cpu is able to handle throughput that is something else entirely.
    11-30-09 11:59 AM
  24. TwinsX2Dad's Avatar
    Hmm, speedtests on laptops hooked to N router @ home get 30mbps down and 5mbps up. Not sure how that compares to 4G. Whether phones' cpu is able to handle throughput that is something else entirely.
    Stationary, maybe - what you want to compare it with is mobile, or at least how you plan on using the connection.

    LTE theoretical maximum is 60Mbps, with 20-30Mbps mobile.

    Of course, range plays into this - you're not holding your WiFi network across town... And if all you need is connectivity within range of your WiFi at home/work, you may not even need a cell connection.

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    11-30-09 01:12 PM
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