10-22-15 03:20 PM
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  1. raino's Avatar
    Two Privs have hit the PTCRB.

    RHK211LW (Priv by BlackBerry STV100-1)
    E-UTRA FDD: Band 1 Band 2 Band 3 Band 4 Band 5 Band 7 Band 12 Band 17 Band 20 Band 29 Band 30
    GSM: 850 900 1800 1900
    UMTS FDD: Band I Band II Band IV Band V Band VIII

    RHL211LW (Priv by BlackBerry STV100-3)
    E-UTRA CA: CA_4A-17A CA_2A-17A CA_4A-12A CA_4A-7A CA_4A-29A CA_2A-29A CA_4A-5A
    E-UTRA FDD: Band 1 Band 2 Band 3 Band 4 Band 5 Band 7 Band 8 Band 12 Band 13 Band 17 Band 20 Band 25 Band 28 Band 29 Band 30
    GSM: 850 900 1800 1900
    UMTS FDD: Band I Band II Band IV Band V Band VIII
    IMHO, the presence of B12 is a very strong indication that the Priv is TMO bound. But which one? I'm guessing the -3.
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    10-21-15 01:14 AM
  2. lift's Avatar
    Looks good for T-Mobile customers that want a BlackBerry android device.
    10-21-15 12:40 PM
  3. raino's Avatar
    Actually, I'm amending my original guess now. The -1 looks like the North American variant to me, while the -3 looks like a global variant.

    I always thought that the PTCRB--being a North American certification agency--didn't certify Non-North American variants of phones. Or do they certify as long as some NA UMTS and/or LTE bands are present? In other words, is the -3 going to sold in North America? If I as a TMO customer was considering this phone, I'd much rather get the -3, especially if WFC portability stays in effect.
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    10-21-15 12:59 PM
  4. Faizan Syed's Avatar
    Actually, I'm amending my original guess now. The -1 looks like the North American variant to me, while the -3 looks like a global variant.

    I always thought that the PTCRB--being a North American certification agency--didn't certify Non-North American variants of phones. Or do they certify as long as some NA UMTS and/or LTE bands are present? In other words, is the -3 going to sold in North America? If I as a TMO customer was considering this phone, I'd much rather get the -3, especially if WFC portability stays in effect.
    -3 was imported in india for evaluation, so I would guess it's global variant since it doesn't have TD-LTE bands. Wonder which variant have TD-LTE bands, -4 (few units of -4 were also imported in india). Also, one poland retailer/reseller website have -6 variant of Priv for pre-order that might be EMEA variant, but it contradicts that -3 would be global variant.

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    10-21-15 01:57 PM
  5. thurask's Avatar
    Actually, I'm amending my original guess now. The -1 looks like the North American variant to me, while the -3 looks like a global variant.

    I always thought that the PTCRB--being a North American certification agency--didn't certify Non-North American variants of phones. Or do they certify as long as some NA UMTS and/or LTE bands are present? In other words, is the -3 going to sold in North America? If I as a TMO customer was considering this phone, I'd much rather get the -3, especially if WFC portability stays in effect.
    I believe that their jurisdiction is any device with a certain set of bands (should be on the front page of the website, but it doesn't pop up on mobile).

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    10-21-15 02:07 PM
  6. zephyr613's Avatar
    I believe that their jurisdiction is any device with a certain set of bands (should be on the front page of the website, but it doesn't pop up on mobile).

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    Thurask - can you please decipher the PTCRB data show to identify IF there is any variant shown for Verizon in US? I tried but my head exploded...

    Many thanks...

    STL100-4 10.3.2.2789
    10-21-15 02:22 PM
  7. thurask's Avatar
    CDMA devices aren't their department.

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    10-21-15 02:23 PM
  8. zephyr613's Avatar
    Thanks but isnt this a good or clear indication of upcoming FCC rulings for the PRIV? Or am I drinking too much too early...
    10-21-15 02:24 PM
  9. thurask's Avatar
    Thanks but isnt this a good or clear indication of upcoming FCC rulings for the PRIV? Or am I drinking too much too early...
    http://forums.crackberry.com/showthread.php?t=828586

    Last few pages should help.

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    10-21-15 02:27 PM
  10. zephyr613's Avatar
    Thanks again, perused through last few pages and of course I am more confused, but that is OK, I will sit back and start on the popcorn and have my finger on the F5 button..
    10-21-15 02:32 PM
  11. raino's Avatar
    -3 was imported in india for evaluation, so I would guess it's global variant since it doesn't have TD-LTE bands. Wonder which variant have TD-LTE bands, -4 (few units of -4 were also imported in india). Also, one poland retailer/reseller website have -6 variant of Priv for pre-order that might be EMEA variant, but it contradicts that -3 would be global variant.
    Yeah, it's confusing me now lol. But in a good way.

    The -3 could be the NA variant a la Classic -4 because b13 is pretty much Telus (and Verizon. Ahem.) Plus it's got carrier aggregation (CA) all over NA bands: 4-12 being a TMO scheme, for example. But it's too global to be a North American variant, while the -1 isn't: no LTE b8, b28.

    Either one could do well in NA, but I don't see BB "screwing" NA carriers like AT&T (who gets their own variants) out of CA, if indeed the -1 doesn't support it. Even Canada has CA schemes now, so who gets the -1?

    I hope there's a TD variant. India, Saudi Arabia, Brazil are some of the big names with TD-LTE networks.
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    10-21-15 02:33 PM
  12. zephyr613's Avatar
    Yeah, it's confusing me now lol. But in a good way.

    The -3 could be the NA variant a la Classic -4 because b13 is pretty much Telus (and Verizon. Ahem.) Plus it's got carrier aggregation (CA) all over NA bands: 4-12 being a TMO scheme, for example. But it's too global to be a North American variant, while the -1 isn't: no LTE b8, b28.

    Either one could do well in NA, but I don't see BB "screwing" NA carriers like AT&T (who gets their own variants) out of CA, if indeed the -1 doesn't support it. Even Canada has CA schemes now, so who gets the -1?

    I hope there's a TD variant. India, Saudi Arabia, Brazil are some of the big names with TD-LTE networks.
    Boom goes the dynamite as my head explodes again!!

    Thanks Raino !!

    EDIT - I just noticed the header in this forum URL and saw the "t-mobile" - sorry if I asked this in the wrong area..
    10-21-15 02:34 PM
  13. raino's Avatar
    CDMA devices aren't their department.
    Did not know this. So they don't test Verizon phones even for band 4?

    Thanks but isnt this a good or clear indication of upcoming FCC rulings for the PRIV? Or am I drinking too much too early...
    Combined with the quoted post above, the PTCRB isn't the place you should be looking for indications of a CDMA/Verizon phone. From the UMN&N thread, there are placeholders (on BB's end, at least) for a Verizon variant. But until something hits the shelves, we really won't know. And that's a higher standard than FCC filings because even the unreleased Sprint Z30 went through the FCC, and there were similar indications of a Verizon Passport.
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    10-21-15 02:40 PM
  14. zephyr613's Avatar
    Did not know this. So they don't test Verizon phones even for band 4?



    Combined with the quoted post above, the PTCRB isn't the place you should be looking for indications of a CDMA/Verizon phone. From the UMN&N thread, there are placeholders (on BB's end, at least) for a Verizon variant. But until something hits the shelves, we really won't know. And that's a higher standard than FCC filings because even the unreleased Sprint Z30 went through the FCC, and there were similar indications of a Verizon Passport.
    Thank you for the Clarification, So I should be looking in the UNM&N thread.....
    10-21-15 02:42 PM
  15. Faizan Syed's Avatar
    Yeah, it's confusing me now lol. But in a good way.

    The -3 could be the NA variant a la Classic -4 because b13 is pretty much Telus (and Verizon. Ahem.) Plus it's got carrier aggregation (CA) all over NA bands: 4-12 being a TMO scheme, for example. But it's too global to be a North American variant, while the -1 isn't: no LTE b8, b28.

    Either one could do well in NA, but I don't see BB "screwing" NA carriers like AT&T (who gets their own variants) out of CA, if indeed the -1 doesn't support it. Even Canada has CA schemes now, so who gets the -1?

    I hope there's a TD variant. India, Saudi Arabia, Brazil are some of the big names with TD-LTE networks.
    Another possibility could be according to me there might be sub-models of these variants. There are a dozen of device IDs that are still Unknown.

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    10-21-15 03:13 PM
  16. thurask's Avatar
    Did not know this. So they don't test Verizon phones even for band 4?
    Haven't seen any.


    What is the PTCRB?
    The PTCRB was established in 1997 as the wireless device certification forum by North American Mobile Network Operators (MNO).

    The purpose of the PTCRB is to provide the framework within which cellular GERAN (GSM), UTRA (UMTS) and E-UTRA (LTE) mobile devices and modules obtain certification for use on PTCRB Operator networks.

    PTCRB provides a certification program for the following:

    GERAN devices operating in the 850 and 1900 MHz bands
    UTRA devices operating in FDD Bands II, IV and V
    E-UTRA devices operating in FDD bands 2,4,5,7,12,13,14,17 and 25; TDD band 41
    Note: bands subject to change as technology advances
    Obtaining PTCRB Certification on a mobile device ensures compliance with 3GPP network standards within the PTCRB Operators' networks. Consequently, PTCRB Operators may block devices from their network if they are not PTCRB certified.

    CTIA has been assigned as the administrator for the PTCRB Certification process and is also responsible for the administration of PTCRB-issued IMEIs.

    It is recommended that the device manufacturer contact the MNO to obtain any operator-specific requirements.
    10-21-15 06:49 PM
  17. raino's Avatar
    Haven't seen any.
    Hmm. As of now, band 41 in North America is a Sprint exclusive. Too lazy to look through their certified devices to check if they test for it in phones other than just that new, all-carrier iPhone.
    10-21-15 07:55 PM
  18. thurask's Avatar
    STV100-1:
    Attachment 376998

    STV100-4:
    Interesting PTCRB sightings-img_20151022_131953.png

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    10-22-15 01:21 PM
  19. thurask's Avatar
    Went through docs, compiled this:

    STV100-1
    GSM: 800/850/1800/1900
    UMTS: 1/2/4/5/8
    LTE: 1/2/3/4/5/7/12/17/20/29/30

    STV100-3
    GSM: 800/850/1800/1900
    UMTS: 1/2/4/5/8
    LTE: 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/20/25/28/29/30/38/40/41

    STV100-4
    GSM: 800/850/1800/1900
    UMTS: 1/2/4/5/8
    LTE: 1/2/3/4/7/8/13/17/20/28/41


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    10-22-15 01:45 PM
  20. Uzi's Avatar
    At least I can use STV100-1 in Malaysia woohoo LTE compatible
    10-22-15 01:52 PM
  21. raino's Avatar
    STV100-4:
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    Sweet. I think this is that German company again. Much better at documenting bands.

    That LTE b41 though
    10-22-15 01:54 PM
  22. thurask's Avatar
    Sweet. I think this is that German company again. Much better at documenting bands.
    Yep.

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    10-22-15 01:54 PM
  23. RyanGermann's Avatar
    From the frequency / band listings, the -3 variant looks to support a pure superset of the bands on the -1 and -4 variants... how are they different otherwise, and why wouldn't everyone just want the -3 variant for worldwide compatibility for traveling etc.?
    10-22-15 02:03 PM
  24. thurask's Avatar
    From the frequency / band listings, the -3 variant looks to support a pure superset of the bands on the -1 and -4 variants... how are they different otherwise, and why wouldn't everyone just want the -3 variant for worldwide compatibility for traveling etc.?
    Carrier exclusivity, maybe?

    If there's a GSM device and a hobbled GSM device, AT&T will probably be selling the second one.

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    10-22-15 02:06 PM
  25. RyanGermann's Avatar
    Carrier exclusivity, maybe?

    If there's a GSM device and a hobbled GSM device, AT&T will probably be selling the second one.
    ...but for anyone wanting to purchase outright, would the -3 variant be their best choice? Sorry, I don't know much about the distinctions between various LTE type technologies, but from a layperson's point of view, the -3 variant has all the LTE bands one would need to use the device all over the world, n'est-ce pas?
    10-22-15 02:08 PM
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