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  1. venkatesh babu's Avatar
    As some of you surely remember, at the very same Barcelona venue last month, Blackberry gave us a quick tease by bringing up on stage what clearly looked like a slider with a double-edged screen. A new set of leaked images seems to showcase the very same phone, as well as two more BlackBerry devices, so fans have a lot to look forward to.
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    Three new devices leaked (includes slider)-gsmarena_002.jpg

    04-27-15 10:24 AM
  2. tiruvalli uttamkumar's Avatar
    Hope you are from India.

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    04-27-15 10:42 AM
  3. FrankIAm's Avatar
    First one is fake, second one is a Porsche, third one is supposedly a Passport for Asian markets.
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    04-27-15 10:44 AM
  4. GoJaysGo's Avatar
    Fake pics or not, but the slider concept is silly. How long of a phone to you really need? I can't imagine every time, I need to type, I need to extend my device another 2 inches. Is the need for a slider really a lacking today? I know in business we often ask ourselves what problem is this solving? And I ask that of a slider, what problem (or user group) is this solving (catering to)? With the amount of iPhone's and Android's sold, the answer is clear. There is no demand for such device.

    If BlackBerry wants to introduce yet another sales flop (Yes, I'm looking at you passport) that is 'different' than the rest, then they will get what they ask for: another device that caters to only few diehard keyboard BlackBerry fanboys.
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    04-27-15 11:23 AM
  5. FrankIAm's Avatar
    Fake pics or not, but the slider concept is silly. How long of a phone to you really need? I can't imagine every time, I need to type, I need to extend my device another 2 inches. Is the need for a slider really a lacking today? I know in business we often ask ourselves what problem is this solving? And I ask that of a slider, what problem (or user group) is this solving (catering to)? With the amount of iPhone's and Android's sold, the answer is clear. There is no demand for such device.

    If BlackBerry wants to introduce yet another sales flop (Yes, I'm looking at you passport) that is 'different' than the rest, then they will get what they ask for: another device that caters to only few diehard keyboard BlackBerry fanboys.
    I agree with your post, but tbh, that's actually what they are trying to do, so I guess it fits their scheme.
    04-27-15 11:43 AM
  6. Mamaluka's Avatar
    Fake pics or not, but the slider concept is silly. How long of a phone to you really need? I can't imagine every time, I need to type, I need to extend my device another 2 inches. Is the need for a slider really a lacking today? I know in business we often ask ourselves what problem is this solving? And I ask that of a slider, what problem (or user group) is this solving (catering to)? With the amount of iPhone's and Android's sold, the answer is clear. There is no demand for such device.

    If BlackBerry wants to introduce yet another sales flop (Yes, I'm looking at you passport) that is 'different' than the rest, then they will get what they ask for: another device that caters to only few diehard keyboard BlackBerry fanboys.
    Disagree and here's why you're wrong. The passport is a terrible design. The classic is the same old same old teensy weensy chunk of crap blackberry always had. The Z series has no physical keyboard. So you have no basis to form that opinion.
    Hardware is a very "build it and they will come" business. Back in 2009,no one wanted a big giant phone. In fact, everyone on this very message board was clammering for a smaller device. Well, what do you see now? Nothing but giant phones. There's no such thing as too long, too wide. Just build it and see.
    Of course there's a demand for physical keyboards. Don't be silly. Everyone who owned a smartphone at one point used a physical keyboard. They went glass for the screen real estate. Combine both (and not the passport) and you've got a winner. Blackberry had something amazing with the bold 9000 keyboard. They made it better with the 9900...then they went and got silly with the straight keyboard but still kept the tactile feedback and basic key shape the same, which is acceptable, but not preferred by me, and apparently boatloads of other blackberry users who have sacrificed the physical keyboard for all glass.
    That slider looks like a winner to me. If it gets blackberry back in the game so they can then expand and improve on their design, then so be it. The note 1 isn't as good as the note 4. Let blackberry grow and stop such nonsense like "nobody wants a this or that" style phone. People don't know what they want, trust me. They buy what they're offered and listen to who's saying what about whatever newest product is out there. Mostly, they buy what everyone else has.
    04-27-15 01:25 PM
  7. Josh Garrow's Avatar
    So actually if you remember how popular the torch was, and what people complain about. People on keyboard devices ask for more screen real-estate, people will ful l touch screens ask for better keyboards with more accurate typing (Android, IOS, Windows, BlackBerry) it's a smart move. All they need to do is market that device, people actually do want that device

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    04-27-15 01:39 PM
  8. GoJaysGo's Avatar
    They buy what they're offered and listen to who's saying what about whatever newest product is out there. Mostly, they buy what everyone else has.
    So everyone else has a touch screen device (apple, samsung, blackberry, microsoft) no one has a device with a keyboard other than BlackBerry. So by your analysis, Blackberry should be selling their touch screen devices and they're not.

    The number one reason why Blackberry can't sell devices is very simple. The devices say "BlackBerry" on them. You can't argue with numbers presented in the earnings reports.
    04-27-15 01:50 PM
  9. Andrew4life's Avatar
    I liked the torch because it was a compromise. The screen wasn't too tall, and when you turned it landscape the ratio was 4:3. Make the phone with those same ratios and I like it!

    Make it with a widescreen PLUS a slide out keyboard? NO THANKS.



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    04-27-15 01:59 PM
  10. conite's Avatar
    So everyone else has a touch screen device (apple, samsung, blackberry, microsoft) no one has a device with a keyboard other than BlackBerry. So by your analysis, Blackberry should be selling their touch screen devices and they're not.

    The number one reason why Blackberry can't sell devices is very simple. The devices say "BlackBerry" on them. You can't argue with numbers presented in the earnings reports.
    BlackBerry lost the consumer slab war. Clearly. The reasons don't matter now. This is where we are.

    The future is in low cost enterprise devices to round out BES12 offering, and niche higher end devices to improve image and attract specialised users and executives.

    The keyboard won't sell uber quantities, but it's a segment that BlackBerry owns and needs to maintain.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.2.500
    04-27-15 02:03 PM
  11. Mamaluka's Avatar
    So actually if you remember how popular the torch was, and what people complain about. People on keyboard devices ask for more screen real-estate, people will ful l touch screens ask for better keyboards with more accurate typing (Android, IOS, Windows, BlackBerry) it's a smart move. All they need to do is market that device, people actually do want that device

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    Absolutely. Just build something like that and watch it sell.
    04-27-15 03:07 PM
  12. Mamaluka's Avatar
    So everyone else has a touch screen device (apple, samsung, blackberry, microsoft) no one has a device with a keyboard other than BlackBerry. So by your analysis, Blackberry should be selling their touch screen devices and they're not.

    The number one reason why Blackberry can't sell devices is very simple. The devices say "BlackBerry" on them. You can't argue with numbers presented in the earnings reports.
    Samsung holds a few similar patents as this
    https://www.google.com/patents/WO201...ed=0CCsQ6AEwAg
    I wonder why anyone bothers? If it's not in demand to have tactile feedback with a physical keyboard? Because it IS a demand. We (myself included) are just settling for glass because of the screen real estate. This is not difficult to understand.

    By the way, I do agree with you on one point. Blackberry doesn't sell because it has the name blackberry on it. Their phones are garbage right now. The passport didn't even get picked up by the largest carrier here in the US
    04-27-15 03:30 PM
  13. Mamaluka's Avatar
    Look at a the first diagram on this patent. Bold 9000? Cmon man, this is what people want.

    https://www.google.com/patents/US201...ed=0CDIQ6AEwAw
    04-27-15 03:34 PM
  14. Mamaluka's Avatar
    04-27-15 03:35 PM
  15. Mamaluka's Avatar
    Here's, I found it. Filed 5 years ago, by Samsung themselves. These guys aren't stupid, they know glass is terrible to type on. Yet they wanted the patent and got one on the physical keyboard overlay for a smartphone.

    https://www.google.com/patents/US201...ed=0CCQQ6AEwAQ
    04-27-15 03:40 PM
  16. Nitalia's Avatar
    people will ful l touch screens ask for better keyboards with more accurate typing (Android, IOS, Windows, BlackBerry) it's a smart move. All they need to do is market that device, people actually do want that device

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    Is that why Apple just sold 62 millions Iphones Jan-March after selling 75 M the previous 3 months, because they want a different device? Give me a break...no one but few hundreds people here want and will buy a slider; it is so old style.
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    04-27-15 04:12 PM
  17. fjfisher601#AC's Avatar
    If they are going to release the Venice Slider- then there's one in my future!!!

    Three unannounced BlackBerry models are photographed
    04-27-15 05:41 PM
  18. tiruvalli uttamkumar's Avatar
    Disagree and here's why you're wrong. The passport is a terrible design. The classic is the same old same old teensy weensy chunk of crap blackberry always had. The Z series has no physical keyboard. So you have no basis to form that opinion.
    Hardware is a very "build it and they will come" business. Back in 2009,no one wanted a big giant phone. In fact, everyone on this very message board was clammering for a smaller device. Well, what do you see now? Nothing but giant phones. There's no such thing as too long, too wide. Just build it and see.
    Of course there's a demand for physical keyboards. Don't be silly. Everyone who owned a smartphone at one point used a physical keyboard. They went glass for the screen real estate. Combine both (and not the passport) and you've got a winner. Blackberry had something amazing with the bold 9000 keyboard. They made it better with the 9900...then they went and got silly with the straight keyboard but still kept the tactile feedback and basic key shape the same, which is acceptable, but not preferred by me, and apparently boatloads of other blackberry users who have sacrificed the physical keyboard for all glass.
    That slider looks like a winner to me. If it gets blackberry back in the game so they can then expand and improve on their design, then so be it. The note 1 isn't as good as the note 4. Let blackberry grow and stop such nonsense like "nobody wants a this or that" style phone. People don't know what they want, trust me. They buy what they're offered and listen to who's saying what about whatever newest product is out there. Mostly, they buy what everyone else has.
    Agreed!

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    04-27-15 09:34 PM
  19. The Big Picture's Avatar
    Right know people want anything apple produces, even if it's inferior in some ways and is over priced compared the competition.

    People do not know what they want. I agree with this statement.

    Marketing, advertising and branding creates demand. People are lemmings.

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    04-27-15 09:47 PM
  20. Bbnivende's Avatar
    Fake pics or not, but the slider concept is silly. How long of a phone to you really need? I can't imagine every time, I need to type, I need to extend my device another 2 inches. Is the need for a slider really a lacking today? I know in business we often ask ourselves what problem is this solving? And I ask that of a slider, what problem (or user group) is this solving (catering to)? With the amount of iPhone's and Android's sold, the answer is clear. There is no demand for such device.

    If BlackBerry wants to introduce yet another sales flop (Yes, I'm looking at you passport) that is 'different' than the rest, then they will get what they ask for: another device that caters to only few diehard keyboard BlackBerry fanboys.
    The main body of the device has the keyboard. The very light screen slides up. In use, it will feel somewhat like the Classic.

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    04-27-15 11:43 PM
  21. nickelodeon008's Avatar
    Once again it's not the products that are bad or else they wouldn't be winning awards; its the last 4 to 5 years of bad public perception. Turn that around with decent products and marketing and there you go. Apple and Samsung are not invincible. No one stays on top forever. Look at BlackBerry history.

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    04-27-15 11:52 PM
  22. venkatesh babu's Avatar
    YUP im frm chennai
    04-28-15 12:44 AM
  23. anon(8865116)'s Avatar
    Right know people want anything apple produces, even if it's inferior in some ways and is over priced compared the competition.

    People do not know what they want. I agree with this statement.

    Marketing, advertising and branding creates demand. People are lemmings.

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    I don't agree with this. I think apples marketing and pr machine is probably the best in the world but they have no problem winning over tech evangelists, consumer reports, and emerging markets. The brand is very popular and carries a lot of weight but you have to remember the iPhone started at 0 sales just like any other phone manufacturer. It has been exploding in growth with no foreseeable end at this point. Dare I say it earned its fanbase much like how blackberry did before the fall.

    I would like to think that most Apple users don't know what they want and could easily be converted to blackberrys given the right device, but I don't think that's it. What's more likely is that in the past 5 years, blackberry hasn't given users what they want, they haven't proved to them it's worth dropping their current iPhones/androids, the blackberry brand is struggling to stay relevant not struggling to compete with the big 2, carriers realize this and now push only androids and iPhones which only worsens the situation. There are tons of reasons blackberry doesn't get the sales Samsung or Apple do. I'm not even sure if they care anymore. Obviously, it's great money to bring in but they already said they're not looking at the consumer market which tells me the future of blackberry looks more like Lenovo not Apple. Hopefully, I am wrong.
    04-28-15 06:35 AM
  24. Mamaluka's Avatar
    I don't agree with this. I think apples marketing and pr machine is probably the best in the world but they have no problem winning over tech evangelists, consumer reports, and emerging markets. The brand is very popular and carries a lot of weight but you have to remember the iPhone started at 0 sales just like any other phone manufacturer. It has been exploding in growth with no foreseeable end at this point. Dare I say it earned its fanbase much like how blackberry did before the fall.

    I would like to think that most Apple users don't know what they want and could easily be converted to blackberrys given the right device, but I don't think that's it. What's more likely is that in the past 5 years, blackberry hasn't given users what they want, they haven't proved to them it's worth dropping their current iPhones/androids, the blackberry brand is struggling to stay relevant not struggling to compete with the big 2, carriers realize this and now push only androids and iPhones which only worsens the situation. There are tons of reasons blackberry doesn't get the sales Samsung or Apple do. I'm not even sure if they care anymore. Obviously, it's great money to bring in but they already said they're not looking at the consumer market which tells me the future of blackberry looks more like Lenovo not Apple. Hopefully, I am wrong.
    Absolutely, mtth. We all know that if tomorrow, Apple or Samsung released that new slider blackberry is fiddling with, it would sell like ice in August. I bet they could easily load BBOS 10 on the device and nobody would care. It would just be marketed as the 'm' iteration of the next android OS. The lemmings would rave.
    (bet they could even call it the Apple BlackBerry, or Samsung BlackBerry and get away with it) matter of fact, I guarantee you if they did do that, blackberry would be resurrected. They've would have just been revalidated by the popular kids at school.
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    04-28-15 08:54 AM
  25. anon(8865116)'s Avatar
    Absolutely, mtth. We all know that if tomorrow, Apple or Samsung released that new slider blackberry is fiddling with, it would sell like ice in August. I bet they could easily load BBOS 10 on the device and nobody would care. It would just be marketed as the 'm' iteration of the next android OS. The lemmings would rave.
    (bet they could even call it the Apple BlackBerry, or Samsung BlackBerry and get away with it) matter of fact, I guarantee you if they did do that, blackberry would be resurrected. They've would have just been revalidated by the popular kids at school.
    The only thing I'd add is that I have no idea how blackberry will shift brand image to be positive in most cases. I think they're on the right course by not jumping into products that put them into parity with google and Apple while focusing on the future, and apparently the future of apps. I like that idea but I hope google and Apple don't execute their plans better than they do. This is my major concern above everything else. My assumption is that someone is going to rule IOT and enterprise apps, and I'm not seeing it from blackberry right now. They have world class enterprise platforms but I don't see world class platforms of the future just yet.

    I know there are a lot of talented people at blackberry. I guess I'm just another consumer who is impatient and wants instant gratification from a company who shouldn't be focusing on appeasing short term interests. Shame on me
    04-28-15 09:10 AM
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