1. Buzz_Dengue's Avatar
    With all the rumours and photoshopped pics of the new QNX "Colt(?)", what do we know for sure?...

    In your opinion, from your viewpoint, what features and operating specifications are de minimus for the robust market viability and positive consumer acceptance of the new QNX superphone from RIM?

    What items are on your wish-list to be included beyond bare bones?
    08-22-11 10:21 AM
  2. chiefbroski's Avatar
    Minimum specs:
    1Ghz dual-core cpu (like pb)
    1GB memory (like pb)
    Maintain the new BB7 screen ppi (250 is deece)
    4" screen
    Front-facing camera
    better 5mp camera (camera quality and mp count are not the same)
    720p video (who needs 1080p...like really...lol)
    Equivalent 9900 build quality/feel

    Wish list:
    Flash-capable browser
    Magnetometer
    NFC
    A really good autofocus camera
    Android player
    Smooth rotation of screen (its just pleasant to watch, lol)
    Bigger battery (as long as the device is the same or thinner than the Storm)
    Last edited by chiefbroski; 08-22-11 at 10:38 AM. Reason: left something out
    08-22-11 10:29 AM
  3. Buzz_Dengue's Avatar
    How much value does the market assign to "slimness" or "thickness"? Is it more reflective of weight? My Storm could be thicker and heavier for my money, if it brought features and advantages along with it...
    08-22-11 10:42 AM
  4. Buzz_Dengue's Avatar
    And the physical keyboard is histoire, touchscreen only, yes?
    08-22-11 10:56 AM
  5. kbz1960's Avatar
    And the physical keyboard is histoire, touchscreen only, yes?
    For the first one.I think later on there will be ones with a physical keyboard, after all that is what made a bb a bb to start with and many will not go touch screen keyboard.
    08-22-11 11:31 AM
  6. biggulpseh's Avatar
    I cannot stress how important it is that RIM includes a future-proof high resolution screen on the first QNX phone. Apple has the Retina display which is gorgeous and is one of the main selling points. Androids have started getting qHD screens because the screen size has been pushing the envelope in terms of size (>4"). The new Nexus Prime being developed is said to have a 720p display... on a mobile phone that would look gorgeous. I know Blackberry takes battery life very seriously, however 800x480 does not cut it anymore for a full touchscreen phone. Having an exceptional screen will make developers more likely to jump on the platform.

    They're seriously going to get demolished in the press if their first QNX phone in 2012 does not have a high-resolution screen.
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    08-22-11 01:09 PM
  7. Buzz_Dengue's Avatar
    They're seriously going to get demolished in the press if their first QNX phone in 2012 does not have a high-resolution screen.
    Is it even a possibility to hope for resident 16:9 format?
    08-22-11 01:25 PM
  8. biggulpseh's Avatar
    Is it even a possibility to hope for resident 16:9 format?
    They should seriously just put a shrunken 1024x600 like the Playbook display in the next QNX phone. That would equal 300ppi on a 4" screen, would cause a lot less of a headache for developers of Playbook apps hoping to make their apps for a phone as well, and would put RIM in a great position moving forward in order to remain future-proof.
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    08-22-11 01:33 PM
  9. kbz1960's Avatar
    You all have much better eyes than I if you can tell such a big difference on such a small screen. Kind of like 720p and 1080p, do you really see that big of a difference unless you put your nose to the screen?
    08-22-11 01:38 PM
  10. biggulpseh's Avatar
    You all have much better eyes than I if you can tell such a big difference on such a small screen. Kind of like 720p and 1080p, do you really see that big of a difference unless you put your nose to the screen?
    For people with good eyes, 300ppi is basically the max before it is impossible to resolve the pixels from one inch away. The difference between my 9700 and my brother's 9900 is literally night and day, and even someone with bad eyes can tell easily. Having a high-resolution screen also makes smaller-text more readable, so even if you have bad eyes, it will be a bonus for you. Making the resolution 1024x600 would be amazing on many levels.
    08-22-11 01:44 PM
  11. ekafara's Avatar
    More on board memory. It's better to have and not need then need and not have.

    Keep the dedicated memory for the graphics. Love that idea in the new OS 7 phones.

    Close to max dpi screen the eye can recognize. Like you guys above said there is a point where it doesn't matter anymore. It would be great for the competitors to look at the screen and have to push their jaw up after it drops.

    RIM must know that everyone is expecting a lot from this phone. They must include everything they can think of. I'm hoping they have some trick up their sleeve that we don't know about it.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    08-24-11 05:46 AM
  12. visceralberry's Avatar
    RIM needs to bring these things to the table, right from the word go:

    1. Model range made-up of the QNX Bold, QNX Torch, and QNX Curve;

    2. QNX Bold will be the ultimate messaging device, instead of replacing the Bold 9900/9930, it will be the successor of the Torch 9810, albeit with a horizontal slider-keyboard on par with that of the Bold 9900 series;

    3. All QNX phone-ranges must have a minimum of Super Amoled/qHD touchscreens, Dual-core processors, 1GB+ RAM, and 16GB internal memory (capable of storing apps, emails, sms, contacts, memo's, media, etc.);

    4. The QNX Torch series will then become the iPhone/Android beaters of RIM's portfolio, continuously pushing the envelope within the mobile phone space, and making FULL USE of the QNX platform and Blackberry functionalities [4.3"+ Super Amoled/qHD touchscreens, Quad-core processors, 2GB+ RAM, and 64GB internal memory];

    5. Updated notifications system, leveraging the superb BBOS system to create a truly updated and class-leading solution, bringing-in iOS5, Android and WebOS style features (especially actionable pop-up notifications accross all apps in-use);

    6. ALL phone-ranges will need to be thinner, lighter and far better designed than ever before. The OS7 devices are on the right track, but RIM needs to far exceed this to get the attention of the consumer market (Take a page from Samsung and HTC);

    7. Launch globally. If not simultaneously, then The Americas, Europe, Asia, Africa, and MENA, should all have the devices within 2 weeks of the first market. Do not rely on established OECD markets with a heavy bias toward iOS and Android devices. Reviews may be made to simply throw your customers off the very idea of buying the new QNXmobiles; know your client, your market and where the true growth is. Follow the model of the brilliantly-worked OS7 roll-out;

    8. Lastly, perfect the Android app-player for QNX mobiles, release the native SDK for the phones FAR BEFORE the release date of the first QNXmobile devices, and do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to bring-in the very best app developers out there. At least the 5,000 top selling/downloaded apps from across the ecosystems (IE: iOS, Android, WebOS, Windows Phone, and Symbian/MeeGo), should be available for the first QNXmobiles, FROM LAUNCH;


    Do all these with a re-focused management team, marketing that at least meets the standards of HTC, APPLE, and Samsung, and commit fully to the QNXmobile project (whilst keeping loyal consumer and business fans and clients fully on-board throughout), and RIM, you will have a seriously outperforming device lineup with sales exceeding anything the market watchers are giving you hope for.

    Heres to hoping RIM, the Crackberry Nation, and all the new budding QNXmobile fans of the (very) near future, can bring a vision of this type to fruition.

    Roll-on 2012......
    Last edited by visceralberry; 08-26-11 at 04:50 AM. Reason: *keyboard comparison to 9900 is to do with quality, rather than orientation (portrait vs. landscape)
    08-24-11 01:05 PM
  13. kbz1960's Avatar
    DO NOT, DO NOT want any sort of popup notifications. Talk about annoying.
    08-24-11 01:10 PM
  14. visceralberry's Avatar
    DO NOT, DO NOT want any sort of popup notifications. Talk about annoying.
    Wouldn't it be best to let the indivual user decide for themselves? Its clearly popular with users on other platforms, and the demand for it to reach QNX Blackberries will come soon enough.

    Why not have the option present within the QNXmobile OS, so that users can switch it on/off, and adjust the operational settings depending on how they would prefer to utilise it?
    08-24-11 01:51 PM
  15. kbz1960's Avatar
    Optional works for me, nothing more annoying then being in the middle of something and getting interrupted by a popup about something that can wait or I don't even care about.
    08-24-11 01:54 PM
  16. Umm Yeah's Avatar
    RIM needs to bring these things to the table, right from the word go:

    1. Model range made-up of the QNX Bold, QNX Torch, and QNX Curve;

    ...

    3. All QNX phone-ranges must have a minimum of 4.1" Super Amoled/qHD touchscreens,
    ...
    You really want a QNX Bold with a 4.1" touchscreen and a full QWERTY keyboard? That would be one BIG phone!
    08-24-11 02:35 PM
  17. Buzz_Dengue's Avatar
    You really want a QNX Bold with a 4.1" touchscreen and a full QWERTY keyboard? That would be one BIG phone!
    ... no physical keyboard, or a slider if you must... a big, best in class screen (bar none), with micro-HDMI included...
    08-24-11 02:53 PM
  18. Skeevecr's Avatar
    1. Model range made-up of the QNX Bold, QNX Torch, and QNX Curve;
    Tough to do an entry-level model like the curve from the outset since those are not low-end components.


    2. QNX Bold will be the ultimate messaging device, instead of replacing the Bold 9900/9930, it will be the successor of the Torch 9810, albeit with a horizontal slider-keyboard on par with that of the Bold 9900 series;
    How can it be the ultimate messaging device when it would be worse than both a bold 9900 or a torch 9810 due to the inclusion of a bulkier keyboard that was still worse than the other two, just try typing one-handed on any landscape slider and you will see it just doesn't work.

    A qnx bold should be like the 9900 in the sense that you get a phone where you accept the compromise of a smaller screen to get by far the best keyboard out there.


    3. All QNX phone-ranges must have a minimum of 4.1" Super Amoled/qHD touchscreens, Dual-core 1.8Ghz processors, 1GB+ RAM, and 16GB internal memory (capable of storing apps, emails, sms, contacts, memo's, media, etc.);
    I would say that specifying the screen tech is pointless, the main consideration should be the screen resolution and on the large screen models they should be aiming at those 4.2" or so screens with a resolution of 1280x768 that were demoed at shows earlier this year and are due to show up in devices by the end of this year or early 2012.

    Mandating too high a processor speed seems a bit odd when we know that qnx runs very well on a 1ghz dual-core and that the battery in these things will be a lot smaller than the one in a playbook, similarly going beyond 1GB of Ram will depend on how much it typically needs because your ideal amount of Ram is a fraction more than you need since any unused Ram would just sit there eating up battery

    4. The QNX Torch series will then become the iPhone/Android beaters of RIM's portfolio, continuously pushing the envelope within the mobile phone space, and making FULL USE of the QNX platform and Blackberry functionalities [4.3"+ Super Amoled/qHD touchscreens, Quad-core 1.8Ghz processors, 2GB+ RAM, and 64GB internal memory];
    Throwing more Ram and processor cores into a device is just a waste of battery life, this is meant to be a portable device not the wet dream of somebody reading out tech specs. As far as making 'FULL USE' of the qnx platform, I'd hope that was true for all the qnx phones.

    As far as the screen, you are again ignoring upcoming screens and settling for qHD that realistically offers little over WVGA.


    5. Updated notifications system, leveraging the superb BBOS system to create a truly updated and class-leading solution, bringing-in iOS5, Android and WebOS style features (especially actionable pop-up notifications accross all apps in-use);
    There is room to improve notifications, but obtrusive pop-ups like some OS are horrible, but something like the way bbm works when you get a message from somebody else while chatting to another person might be one approach.


    6. ALL phone-ranges will need to be thinner, lighter and far better designed than ever before. The OS7 devices are on the right track, but RIM needs to far exceed this to get the attention of the consumer market (Take a page from Samsung and HTC);
    So you want vastly more processor power and ram, much bigger screens and yet you want less room for a battery, sounds like a great plan.


    7. Launch globally. If not simultaneously, then The Americas, Europe, Asia, Africa, and MENA, should all have the devices within 2 weeks of the first market.
    Within reason I would expect this is going to be their intention going forward, but within two weeks seems unrealistic since they could only do that if they held back release until all the carriers have accepted the new devices and software which would be annoying to the carriers that were ready sooner and wasting potential sales for that quarter too.


    8. Lastly, perfect the Android app-player for QNX mobiles, release the native SDK for the phones FAR BEFORE the release date of the first QNXmobile devices, and do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to bring-in the very best app developers out there. At least the 5,000 top selling/downloaded apps from across the ecosystems (IE: iOS, Android, WebOS, Windows Phone, and Symbian/MeeGo), should be available for the first QNXmobiles, FROM LAUNCH;
    In many ways the playbook is a public beta for the qnx phones and stuff like the android player and so on will be available right from the outset because of that.
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    08-25-11 03:35 AM
  19. Umm Yeah's Avatar
    You really want a QNX Bold with a 4.1" touchscreen and a full QWERTY keyboard? That would be one BIG phone!
    ... no physical keyboard, or a slider if you must... a big, best in class screen (bar none), with micro-HDMI included...
    He said he wanted a QNX Bold, QNX Torch, and a QNX Curve and he wanted them ALL to have a 4.1" screens. A Bold with no physical keyboard or a slider is a Torch, so a QNX Bold with a 4.1" screen is a full QWERTY with a huge honking screen. It makes no sense.
    08-25-11 11:53 AM
  20. Buzz_Dengue's Avatar
    5.3-inch AMOLED (Active-Matrix Organic Light-Emitting Diode) touchscreen... Samsung Galaxy Note is now top of the superphone-fondle-slab market in screen specs...

    Samsung's Galaxy Note Is The Biggest Smartphone On The Market (PHOTOS)
    Last edited by Buzz_Dengue; 09-01-11 at 03:06 PM.
    09-01-11 02:43 PM
  21. grahamf's Avatar
    Meh, the Dell Streak still has 5" and doesn't look like a giant iPhone knockoff.
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    09-01-11 05:13 PM
  22. Skeevecr's Avatar
    5.3-inch AMOLED (Active-Matrix Organic Light-Emitting Diode) touchscreen... Samsung Galaxy Note is now top of the superphone-fondle-slab market in screen specs...

    Samsung's Galaxy Note Is The Biggest Smartphone On The Market (PHOTOS)
    Yawn, wake me up when you get that resolution on a phone's screen that is a reasonable size.
    09-02-11 10:34 AM
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