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  1. neoberry99's Avatar
    Yes...you gotta stop the churning before you can focus on attracting new customers. The Windermere will be the device that will stop the bleeding...

    Posted via CB10
    06-09-14 07:51 AM
  2. kfh227's Avatar
    Because you don't believe it comes with a new, modern instruction set and greatly expanded register space (number and size)?

    Even though ARM themselves, the folks who designed this very architecture, have documented this?



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    I didn't say ARM 64 bit. I said 64 bit. There is a difference you know.

    Don't confuse an instruction set spec with 64 bit.

    Ya, the latest ARM instruction set spec is different than the last. Ya, I get it.

    Are you suggesting that the latest spec has more than 4,294,967,296 instructions meaning that the move to 64 bit was driven by the need to support instructions as opposed to the need to address more system memory?

    How many bits long are the instructions for the 64 bit ARM architecture?

    PS: OK, the new spec supports 64 bit arithmetic. This is a non-issue to 99.99% of users. So, this might matter to end users, but I'd guess that the actual need is based on limits in addressable memory space.
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    Last edited by kfh227; 06-09-14 at 03:41 PM.
    06-09-14 03:25 PM
  3. Tank1978's Avatar
    06-11-14 10:56 PM
  4. xBURK's Avatar
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it still up in the air what the final design of the Q30 will look like? I realize these photos are not the design, but I've read mixed stories if the ones published last week from N4BB are also not the final look. Confused?


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    06-11-14 11:29 PM
  5. Blackberry_Boss's Avatar
    OK 8 GB of RAM thoooo?
    Manitoba - 64 bit all touch-img_20140611_214229.png

    Posted via my BeastBerry Z30
    06-11-14 11:43 PM
  6. slagman5's Avatar
    Yah, think they might be let down to find out it's just the LTE version of the Z3, lol. :-P
    06-11-14 11:51 PM
  7. crazigee's Avatar
    Yah, think they might be let down to find out it's just the LTE version of the Z3, lol. :-P
    If Manitoba is just an LTE version of the Z3 I'll definitely be disappointed.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
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    06-12-14 01:53 AM
  8. Tank1978's Avatar
    Yah, think they might be let down to find out it's just the LTE version of the Z3, lol. :-P
    That's what I thought! Hopefully it's more than that since they reported on it

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    06-12-14 06:55 AM
  9. crazigee's Avatar
    That's what I thought! Hopefully it's more than that since they reported on it

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    I hope so too, but I won't be holding my breath.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    06-12-14 04:57 PM
  10. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    If Manitoba is just an LTE version of the Z3 I'll definitely be disappointed.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    I don't think so. They've mentioned that the Manitoba or whatever touch device was like the evolution of the Z30.

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    06-12-14 05:04 PM
  11. crazigee's Avatar
    I don't think so. They've mentioned that the Manitoba or whatever touch device was like the evolution of the Z30.

    Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.3175
    I sure hope so.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    06-12-14 05:11 PM
  12. DaedalusIcarusHelios's Avatar
    Besides addressing more memory, 64-bit means it will be able to do more per clock cycle than 32-bit, assuming the code is optimized for it. That means more power and more efficiency.

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    06-12-14 05:41 PM
  13. eyesopen1111's Avatar
    Yeah, something tells me that the all-touch device coming in Q4 of this year will be the mid-tier Z3 with LTE, as was explained by the insider in the "BlackBerry Manitoba?" thread. Chen, I think, was speaking of this "Phablet" when he was talking of expanding markets with it. This is more feasible than a surprise all-touch flagship to me at this stage of the game. If BlackBerry holds to form, they'll overcharge for the mid-tiered Z3, crippling sales while also being marginalized by the media for producing more low end, 3rd world phones that are still being outperformed and underpriced by Android.

    With respect to the Z50, merely saying that the latest BlackBerry had a 64-bit system, like the iPhone, would raise BlackBerry's profile in the minds of the mass market. Tie that to news that the 64-bit makes BlackBerry run Android apps buttery smooth (closing the app gap), and brand momentum could really pick up.

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    06-12-14 06:08 PM
  14. wojciechp's Avatar
    Update on Manitoba device from another forum :

    The folks from BB10QNX.DE have updated their information on the Manitoba:
    Manitoba und OS10.4 | BB10QNX.de

    Rranslation, with the help of Google

    Starting to make more sense?

    We now have new information about the BlackBerry Manitoba for you:

    5.2" Full HD display, MSM 8994 CPU 64bit, 4GB RAM, 3000mAh or 3300mAh battery

    The chip is the Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 (MSM 8994). It will be released in Q4 2014. 64bit Octa-Core 2.5 GHz with an Adreno 430 GPU. Supports display resolutions of up to 2160p and can also play video in 4K UHD resolution. The integrated memory controller handles LPDDR4 memory up to 3.2 GHz.

    It will be released in Q3 2015 with OS10.4. 64-bit support will only be handled with OS10.4.

    OS 10.3.2 is to be rolled out in March 2015.

    Posted via swift BlackBerry ? Z30!
    06-12-14 07:15 PM
  15. kfh227's Avatar
    Besides addressing more memory, 64-bit means it will be able to do more per clock cycle than 32-bit, assuming the code is optimized for it. That means more power and more efficiency.

    Posted via CB10
    Who told you that?

    If you are saying that developers use new instructions in the instruction set, then it might be more efficient. But that has nothing to do with 64 bit and everything to do with new instructions.

    There are tricks in hardware to do math in parallel when 32 bit precision is done in 64 bit channels but I don't think it will help that much. Prediction is required to do this.

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    06-12-14 07:16 PM
  16. kfh227's Avatar
    Q3 2015. Ya, year old specs on release.

    Posted via CB10
    06-12-14 07:23 PM
  17. The Big Picture's Avatar
    Q3 2015. Ya, year old specs on release.

    Posted via CB10
    Q3 2015 would suck. A full quarter earlier would help the cause.

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    06-12-14 07:25 PM
  18. wojciechp's Avatar
    Q3 2015 would suck. A full quarter earlier would help the cause.

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    I don't think you understand.... Q3 2015 is BlackBerry Q3 not the year. On June 19 they are going to hold ER for their Q1 2015. Correct Q1 2015.

    So, the phone will be released in Q3 2015 witch is within Oct. 2014 to Dec. 2014.

    Posted via swift BlackBerry ? Z30!
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    06-12-14 09:26 PM
  19. peter0328's Avatar
    I don't think you understand.... Q3 2015 is BlackBerry Q3 not the year. On June 19 they are going to hold ER for their Q1 2015. Correct Q1 2015.

    So, the phone will be released in Q3 2015 witch is within Oct. 2014 to Dec. 2014.

    Posted via swift BlackBerry ? Z30!
    You said 10.3.2 is March 2015.

    You also said Manitoba needs 10.4. That means it's after March 2015 in that time line.

    This is all too unconfirmed for me though. I'm not worried about it yet.

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    06-12-14 09:51 PM
  20. Koepman's Avatar
    Latest news about Manitoba

    5.2 in
    Snapdragon 810 64 bit Octacore
    4GB RAM
    3000 mAh to 3300 mAh


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    06-13-14 12:27 AM
  21. Andy Wijaya's Avatar
    **** this would be a great device.

    http://berryflow.com/2014/06/rumor-6...ar-q4-release/

    I really, really hope that they would release this at the end of the year. Then I would have no hesitation to upgrade my Z10.
    06-13-14 03:10 AM
  22. crazigee's Avatar
    You said 10.3.2 is March 2015.

    You also said Manitoba needs 10.4. That means it's after March 2015 in that time line.

    This is all too unconfirmed for me though. I'm not worried about it yet.

    Posted via CB10
    Yup, have to agree. This is all still just a rumor, based on one paragraph at the end of an article, that had NO details whatsoever. I haven't seen any other info since that article a week ago.

    Right now this is all speculation.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    06-13-14 10:45 AM
  23. lnichols's Avatar
    I don't think you understand.... Q3 2015 is BlackBerry Q3 not the year. On June 19 they are going to hold ER for their Q1 2015. Correct Q1 2015.

    So, the phone will be released in Q3 2015 witch is within Oct. 2014 to Dec. 2014.

    Posted via swift BlackBerry ? Z30!
    Believe when I see it. Given past performance, my expectations would be actual Q3 2015. Hopefully they could surprise us. Also that is all assuming that this is in fact planned for release then, and Chen doesn't do yet another strategy shift that would can this project. BlackBerry couldn't be counted on to deliver before, and they surely can't be counted on to deliver an all touch high end device now.

    Posted with a BlackBerry Z10
    06-13-14 08:24 PM
  24. solar1806's Avatar
    like LG Vu + keyboard!!!!
    Ugly!!!
    06-17-14 10:48 PM
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