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  1. Jamie Brahm's Avatar
    People are really really dumb about technical specs of devices.

    For example, there are android octacore devices, but no one has coded software for it.

    People are obsessed about more ram, and more cpu speed, when the experience on PC has shown that its the slowest element that causes speed bottlenecks more than the faster elements - hence they _should_ be focusing on the storage, replacing plain nand flash with simple ssd, and replacing the ram rather than over 2gb, with 2 gb's of highest speed, dual channel ram (depending on the OS, but I think for most 2 is probably plenty, 3 at the most).

    The cpu doesn't really need to go anywhere, its not whats causing hold ups. Its the ram and the storage - thats what multi-tasking is slowing things down due to. You give a PC enough ram (4 for windows 7 32, 6 for 64 bit), and an ssd, and it flies, even if the CPU is a bit dated, multi-tasking whatever.

    The trouble with smart phones and tablets isn't the cpu speed, plain and simple. Its slow internal nand flash primarily, and then slow ram, secondly. Then after that is RAM amount, and only after that - cpu speed. The slowest parts are where the bottle necks happen.

    Retina display is another example. Its roughly 50% more resolution than one really needs. You basically never see the pixels at slightly lower resolutions, and its smooth sharp and easy to read. People obsess with higher resolutions, but the truth is, if your not going to throw it up on the flatscreen or a projector, your not really going to see much benefit from that very slight increased sharpness. You are however going to lose a crapload of battery power running it AND it will slow down your machine :P (In both cases, quite a lot)

    And thats the other thing people miss. They look for battery mah, when they should also be looking for power efficient cpus and gpus, power efficient wifi, and power mindful OS coding. It makes a significant different to have a cpu that runs on half the power, or an OS thats well coded. It can mean hours of battery life either way, one more or less power efficient element.

    So all these none technical people, who are not at all thinking with practicality, or indeed any thought process, see some bigger numbers, and say - hey thats better. But generally its not really at all, its just a gimmick. Often its an annoying or impractical gimmick, like a retina display, slowing down your OS experience, and chewing up battery.

    Its amazing how many dopes fall for it all.

    Back on the flagship story - So long as it has hard keys, and some innovative software approaches, im curious to see what the new classic is like. Clearly the classic is their new flagship for this year, yes?

    A lot of the magic of a system is in its software, OS, and the hardware features, rather than hardware specs.

    Thank god its not the blackberry equivilant of one of those samsung monstrosities :P
    Last edited by Jamie Brahm; 05-08-14 at 03:57 AM.
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    05-08-14 03:26 AM
  2. The Big Picture's Avatar
    People are really really dumb about technical specs of devices.

    For example, there are android octacore devices, but no one has coded software for it.

    People are obsessed about more ram, and more cpu speed, when the experience on PC has shown that its the slowest element that causes speed bottlenecks more than the faster elements - hence they _should_ be focusing on the storage, replacing plain nand flash with simple ssd, and replacing the ram rather than over 2gb, with 2 gb's of highest speed, dual channel ram (depending on the OS, but I think for most 2 is probably plenty, 3 at the most).

    The cpu doesn't really need to go anywhere, its not whats causing hold ups. Its the ram and the storage - thats what multi-tasking is slowing things down due to. You give a PC enough ram (4 for windows 7 32, 6 for 64 bit), and an ssd, and it flies, even if the CPU is a bit dated, multi-tasking whatever.

    The trouble with smart phones and tablets isn't the cpu speed, plain and simple. Its slow internal nand flash primarily, and then slow ram, secondly. Then after that is RAM amount, and only after that - cpu speed. The slowest parts are where the bottle necks happen.

    Retina display is another example. Its roughly 50% more resolution than one really needs. You basically never see the pixels at slightly lower resolutions, and its smooth sharp and easy to read. People obsess with higher resolutions, but the truth is, if your not going to throw it up on the flatscreen or a projector, your not really going to see much benefit from that very slight increased sharpness. You are however going to lose a crapload of battery power running it AND it will slow down your machine :P (In both cases, quite a lot)

    And thats the other thing people miss. They look for battery mah, when they should also be looking for power efficient cpus and gpus, power efficient wifi, and power mindful OS coding. It makes a significant different to have a cpu that runs on half the power, or an OS thats well coded. It can mean hours of battery life either way, one more or less power efficient element.

    So all these none technical people, who are not at all thinking with practicality, or indeed any thought process, see some bigger numbers, and say - hey thats better. But generally its not really at all, its just a gimmick. Often its an annoying or impractical gimmick, like a retina display, slowing down your OS experience, and chewing up battery.

    Its amazing how many dopes fall for it all.

    Back on the flagship story - So long as it has hard keys, and some innovative software approaches, im curious to see what the new classic is like. Clearly the classic is their new flagship for this year, yes?

    A lot of the magic of a system is in its software, OS, and the hardware features, rather than hardware specs.

    Thank god its not the blackberry equivilant of one of those samsung monstrosities :P
    Many good points there. +1

    Q10SQN100-3/10.2.1.2228, Z30, Z10, iP5, SGS3
    Jamie Brahm likes this.
    05-08-14 04:27 AM
  3. Astro Boyzone's Avatar
    BB10 OS is fantastic it just needs the support of equally fantastic hardware. Z30 comes near to fantastic hardware but still needs improvement for pure marketing(because some people only understand hardware), and that would be in camera pixel, PPI, Processor upgrade to quad core or octa core, and with all this a battery upgrade to continue with the fantastic battery life like in Z30.
    05-08-14 04:55 AM
  4. The Big Picture's Avatar
    BB10 OS is fantastic it just needs the support of equally fantastic hardware. Z30 comes near to fantastic hardware but still needs improvement for pure marketing(because some people only understand hardware), and that would be in camera pixel, PPI, Processor upgrade to quad core or octa core, and with all this a battery upgrade to continue with the fantastic battery life like in Z30.
    Windermere is going to help BlackBerry switch "some" people from other phones and 10.3 is gonna make them stick.

    Q10SQN100-3/10.2.1.2228, Z30, Z10, iP5, SGS3
    05-08-14 05:03 AM
  5. Astro Boyzone's Avatar
    People are really really dumb about technical specs of devices.

    For example, there are android octacore devices, but no one has coded software for it.

    People are obsessed about more ram, and more cpu speed, when the experience on PC has shown that its the slowest element that causes speed bottlenecks more than the faster elements - hence they _should_ be focusing on the storage, replacing plain nand flash with simple ssd, and replacing the ram rather than over 2gb, with 2 gb's of highest speed, dual channel ram (depending on the OS, but I think for most 2 is probably plenty, 3 at the most).

    The cpu doesn't really need to go anywhere, its not whats causing hold ups. Its the ram and the storage - thats what multi-tasking is slowing things down due to. You give a PC enough ram (4 for windows 7 32, 6 for 64 bit), and an ssd, and it flies, even if the CPU is a bit dated, multi-tasking whatever.

    The trouble with smart phones and tablets isn't the cpu speed, plain and simple. Its slow internal nand flash primarily, and then slow ram, secondly. Then after that is RAM amount, and only after that - cpu speed. The slowest parts are where the bottle necks happen.

    Retina display is another example. Its roughly 50% more resolution than one really needs. You basically never see the pixels at slightly lower resolutions, and its smooth sharp and easy to read. People obsess with higher resolutions, but the truth is, if your not going to throw it up on the flatscreen or a projector, your not really going to see much benefit from that very slight increased sharpness. You are however going to lose a crapload of battery power running it AND it will slow down your machine :P (In both cases, quite a lot)

    And thats the other thing people miss. They look for battery mah, when they should also be looking for power efficient cpus and gpus, power efficient wifi, and power mindful OS coding. It makes a significant different to have a cpu that runs on half the power, or an OS thats well coded. It can mean hours of battery life either way, one more or less power efficient element.

    So all these none technical people, who are not at all thinking with practicality, or indeed any thought process, see some bigger numbers, and say - hey thats better. But generally its not really at all, its just a gimmick. Often its an annoying or impractical gimmick, like a retina display, slowing down your OS experience, and chewing up battery.

    Its amazing how many dopes fall for it all.

    Back on the flagship story - So long as it has hard keys, and some innovative software approaches, im curious to see what the new classic is like. Clearly the classic is their new flagship for this year, yes?

    A lot of the magic of a system is in its software, OS, and the hardware features, rather than hardware specs.

    Thank god its not the blackberry equivilant of one of those samsung monstrosities :P
    All you said is very true, but unfortunately this Marketing thing that is going on is purely going on in terms of Hardware because this world contains majority of non technical people or fools. BlackBerry has to realize this point very soon give these fools what they see (high end hardware) BB10 OS is very efficient and is getting better and better with every update, now BlackBerry needs to deliver a device for the fools now basicly..
    05-08-14 05:08 AM
  6. The Big Picture's Avatar
    The latest windermere spec leak looks awesome.

    Although for the spec "fools" I wonder if the snapdragon 800 will be enough, thats the cpu its rumored to include.

    If it is the 800 it needs to be launched this year. Not the next. The 800 was introduced mid last year.

    If they go with the 800 and launch windermere in 2015 they will be using a 2 year old cpu.

    Q10SQN100-3/10.2.1.2228, Z30, Z10, iP5, SGS3
    05-08-14 05:22 AM
  7. Astro Boyzone's Avatar
    The latest windermere spec leak looks awesome.

    Although for the spec "fools" I wonder if the snapdragon 800 will be enough, thats the cpu its rumored to include.

    If it is the 800 it needs to be launched this year. Not the next. The 800 was introduced mid last year.

    If they go with the 800 and launch windermere in 2015 they will be using a 2 year old cpu.

    Q10SQN100-3/10.2.1.2228, Z30, Z10, iP5, SGS3
    Yes this is a big problem with BlackBerry they will use yesteryear's hardware and launch it today and then use today's hardware and launch in next year.
    BlackBerry needs to align it self with the current CPU manufacturers and release its device as soon as the CPU is released now its 801 which is being offered with latest Mobile Devices. Common BlackBerry Buckle Up!!!
    05-08-14 06:52 AM
  8. Koepman's Avatar
    My wife has the z30 and I'm jealous of it. I have a z10.

    I love the phone, just do a cpu upgrade to the z30 and call it the z31. I'd get the z31 but not the z30. The z30 hardware is already dated.

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    Sry no offense, but you are a jerk

    Do u need a phone that's fast or do you want a phone to show up?

    I would understand you if the Z30 had Android..
    But it's not the case...
    BB10 is so awesome... so i don't see me switching to an crappy android even with dodeca-core

    Visit my Channel C00121417 ?
    Last edited by Koepman; 05-08-14 at 07:17 AM.
    05-08-14 07:07 AM
  9. Koepman's Avatar
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    05-08-14 07:15 AM
  10. vladi's Avatar
    Spec wars was pushed by Android manufacturers cause they have differentiate from one another somehow. Its easier to beef up the hardware than software and once hardware manufacturers got involved into the "race" that's how we got our useless octacores.

    This has nothing to do with iOS, Windows Phone and BB10 nor are they comparable with Android. Its quite easy they are not based on a dinosaur known as Java
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    05-08-14 09:00 AM
  11. The Big Picture's Avatar
    Spec wars was pushed by Android manufacturers cause they have differentiate from one another somehow. Its easier to beef up the hardware than software and once hardware manufacturers got involved into the "race" that's how we got our useless octacores.

    This has nothing to do with iOS, Windows Phone and BB10 nor are they comparable with Android. Its quite easy they are not based on a dinosaur known as Java
    This! People need to understand that there's a whole lot more to an excellent phone experience than just what android manufacturers want you to believe.

    iOS7 on an iphone 5s is anytime smoother than any super top end android.

    And the Z30 is just as smooth as a top end android


    Q10SQN100-3/10.2.1.2228, Z30, Z10, iP5, SGS3
    05-08-14 10:22 AM
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