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  1. Trisk333's Avatar
    The Priv should have been a landscape ?

    But it's the only modern Android slider since the Priv..
    Well there's some things to like about the portrait mode of Priv. However, it's cramped and I personally miss the landscape slider with more spacious keys and a dedicated number row. I find it annoying to have to bring up on-screen symbols on my Priv to find symbols that should already be on the keyboard.
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    08-04-19 02:04 AM
  2. EskeRahn's Avatar
    Well there's some things to like about the portrait mode of Priv. However, it's cramped and I personally miss the landscape slider with more spacious keys and a dedicated number row. I find it annoying to have to bring up on-screen symbols on my Priv to find symbols that should already be on the keyboard.
    I too prefer landscape sliders!
    To me they are the ideal combination of a full screen slab, and a full keyboard that can be tucked away.
    And I can now wait to see the Pro1 hit the streets, and see how it is received. The early preproduction units got a very positive reaction all over back in February when it was shown in Barcelona.

    BUT I wish there were a greater variety in form factors! It so much depends on usage pattern and physiognomy what form factor that is optimal for each user!

    And with literally billions of users, there should be plenty of room for a wide variety of form factors and sizes.

    Personally I would have preferred the Pro1 to be shrunken from the 5.99" to a 5¼" display, so the width got below the 65mm 'phone-limit' and could ALSO have been fully one hand operated used as a slab.

    The funny thing is that Portrait orientation of the display originates from a time when phones were one hand operable. And had the physical keyboard replaced by virtual surrogates, and thus the display growing downwards.
    But as phablets has grown beyond one handed usage (except for a very few users with especially long and flexible fingers), and are thus two hand operated anyway, there are no real reason to stick to the display in this odd orientation for the majority of users, for a slider. (Virtual keyboards in landscape does not work well, making the remaining display area very elongated)
    SURE a lot of lazy app developer has only designed their apps for portrait. But often a competing product from a serious developer exists....

    But for those very depending on one or more app that only works in portrait, or with very long and flexible fingers, well then sure it would be nice if there were portrait devices like the Priv form factor for them also.
    And also a form factor like the Key½ for those typing a lot that do not need a full display.
    (And perhaps even a roughly square device with fixed keyboard, somewhat like the Passport)
    ...and more form factors for other user segments...
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    08-04-19 03:40 AM
  3. the_boon's Avatar

    BUT I wish there were a greater variety in form factors! It so much depends on usage pattern and physiognomy what form factor that is optimal for each user!

    ...and more form factors for other user segments...
    Yeah, that's what you would think...


    But instead, every OEM is beating the same horse, churning slab after slab...each not being much different from those of competitors, and bring nothing original to the table
    08-04-19 08:11 AM
  4. EskeRahn's Avatar
    Yeah, that's what you would think...


    But instead, every OEM is beating the same horse, churning slab after slab...each not being much different from those of competitors, and bring nothing original to the table
    Well at the least a few tries like BBmo and FxTec.
    08-04-19 08:15 AM
  5. the_boon's Avatar
    Well at the least a few tries like BBmo and FxTec.
    Yeah, but you can count them on one hand...

    Not that I'm complaining that someone IS trying, but I'm still a little worried about the future of PKB's if it rests solely upon the hands of one company and a few kickstarter style start-ups.
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    08-04-19 08:18 AM
  6. EskeRahn's Avatar
    Yeah, but you can count them on one hand...

    Not that I'm complaining that someone IS trying, but I'm still a little worried about the future of PKB's if it rests solely upon the hands of one company and a few kickstarter style start-ups.
    As long as there are not enough users that stop buying the crap they are being offered, the vendors will keep pushing crap.
    Why should they produce a more expensive better product, if they can still sell something else with a higher profit?

    It is a classic hen&egg situation for breaking an evil circle. I believe the last flagship speced qwerty slider was the SE Xperia Pro. So it died off with SE changing to Sony.
    (Not blaming Sony here, everybody else had stopped earlier)

    Actually SE made a clever 'experiment' by releasing four spec-wise identical devices in 2011, and from that it was quite clear what the market wanted. They had the compact Ray, the standard Neo, the Pro variant of that with a keyboard, and finally the back then humongous Arc.
    I remember people being laughed at putting that huge Arc to the ear making calls. And today it would with its 63mm be considered a super compact....

    But the interesting thing apart from the funny thing on the sizes is that the Xperia Pro was NOT a huge success that was seen all over, so despite being flagship, the broad demand for keyboards was not there anymore. It was reduced to a niche.

    So the best we can do is to help make the Pro1 a huge success, so that others see a niche they want to join in on.

    If the Pro1 is not going to be a success, there will most likely never be another keyboard slider...
    08-04-19 08:54 AM
  7. the_boon's Avatar
    As long as there are not enough users that stop buying the crap they are being offered, the vendors will keep pushing crap.
    Why should they produce a more expensive better product, if they can still sell something else with a higher profit?

    It is a classic hen&egg situation for breaking an evil circle. I believe the last flagship speced qwerty slider was the SE Xperia Pro. So it died off with SE changing to Sony.
    (Not blaming Sony here, everybody else had stopped earlier)

    Actually SE made a clever 'experiment' by releasing four spec-wise identical devices in 2011, and from that it was quite clear what the market wanted. They had the compact Ray, the standard Neo, the Pro variant of that with a keyboard, and finally the back then humongous Arc.
    I remember people being laughed at putting that huge Arc to the ear making calls. And today it would with its 63mm be considered a super compact....

    But the interesting thing apart from the funny thing on the sizes is that the Xperia Pro was NOT a huge success that was seen all over, so despite being flagship, the broad demand for keyboards was not there anymore. It was reduced to a niche.

    So the best we can do is to help make the Pro1 a huge success, so that others see a niche they want to join in on.

    If the Pro1 is not going to be a success, there will most likely never be another keyboard slider...
    Right but things have changed since 2011.

    A phone with a keyboard doesn't equal thick plastic phone with small plastic screen anymore.
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    08-04-19 09:02 AM
  8. EskeRahn's Avatar
    Right but things have changed since 2011.

    A phone with a keyboard doesn't equal thick plastic phone with small plastic screen anymore.
    Oh, don't get me wrong, I keep my fingers crossed for the success of the Pro1, I just doubt that the sales of a QWERTY device will be in the millions, but as I said: The best we can do is to help make the Pro1 a huge success, so that others see a niche they want to join in on.

    ...If it gets a huge success it is also more likely that TCL will consider a Priv2
    08-04-19 09:19 AM
  9. Tim Heard's Avatar
    That, among other things, would be a deal breaker. My Priv is not too heavy (including case) but any heavier would be for holding long periods of time. I am not keen on the landscape design either. One thing I really like about the Priv design is how it feels in the hand when on a call when it is slid out. It extends up to my hear and makes for a really comfortable position to be in with my arm.
    I don't care at all about the weight, but wouldn't be at all interested in a landscape slider.
    09-09-19 05:08 PM
  10. EskeRahn's Avatar
    I don't care at all about the weight, but wouldn't be at all interested in a landscape slider.
    For those that do: 8½Oz for a "final sample" according to a post from the founder here

    That is almost exactly the same weight per area unit as the Sony Ericsson Xperia (Neo) Pro.
    Last edited by EskeRahn; 09-11-19 at 08:18 AM. Reason: more info
    09-11-19 08:11 AM
  11. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    For those that do: 8½Oz for a "final sample" according to a post from the founder here

    That is almost exactly the same weight per area unit as the Sony Ericsson Xperia (Neo) Pro.
    241g for Pro1 and 305g for Titan are heavy enough to remind me of Torch9800/9910 and 8700/8800 hardware.
    09-11-19 12:27 PM
  12. EskeRahn's Avatar
    241g for Pro1 and 305g for Titan are heavy enough to remind me of Torch9800/9910 and 8700/8800 hardware.
    Or the 8% lighter Sony XA2 Ultra, with plastic back from last year, see e.g. here
    09-11-19 12:53 PM
  13. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Or the 8% lighter Sony XA2 Ultra, with plastic back from last year, see e.g. here
    At 221g that’s unnecessary for me. The PRIV at 192g was bad enough since I dual carry but things are what they are. Years ago, I dual carried 8700/Curve and went to dual holsters. My kids still remember and make fun of till I stopped when Otterbox or Seidio holsters weren’t available.
    09-11-19 01:30 PM
  14. Tim Heard's Avatar
    A slider with a massive screen would be more than just a phone. People have no problem with lugging around hybrid laptops.
    This would offer a level of functionality that would be very useful in a work setting.... Might free some people from having to lug around laptops.
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    09-11-19 05:54 PM
  15. EskeRahn's Avatar
    A slider with a massive screen would be more than just a phone. People have no problem with lugging around hybrid laptops.
    This would offer a level of functionality that would be very useful in a work setting.... Might free some people from having to lug around laptops.
    Yeah, it is 6" WFHD (2160x1080). So using at half the distance of a laptop, it would be somewhat similar to using a standard minor 12" FHD laptop
    09-12-19 09:47 AM
  16. EskeRahn's Avatar
    The pre-orders are in the process of being delivered, the earliest got it on Nov 15. I expect the first I bought to arrive today

    They made an unboxing video here
    11-19-19 04:56 AM
  17. jamescarruthers's Avatar
    The pre-orders are in the process of being delivered, the earliest got it on Nov 15. I expect the first I bought to arrive today

    They made an unboxing video here
    I'd be interested in hearing how you get on with it.

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    11-19-19 02:26 PM
  18. EskeRahn's Avatar
    I'd be interested in hearing how you get on with it.

    Posted via CB10
    I have had a "Final Sample" that have been my daily driver for over a month, and it works like a charm, see various posts here.
    I will be adding something on the qwertZ unit ASAP.
    11-19-19 02:41 PM
  19. jamescarruthers's Avatar
    Thank you. I'm just browsing through your blog now. I just need to talk myself in to Android again as my last venture with a Motion was not great. Currently very productive with my Passport which is hard to give up.

    I'm tempted to get a FX Tec Pro 1 and a Cosmo Communicator if I get a Christmas bonus. Cosmo might be a bit too big and heavy for my pocket though.

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    11-19-19 02:53 PM
  20. the_boon's Avatar
    I have had a "Final Sample" that have been my daily driver for over a month, and it works like a charm, see various posts here.
    I will be adding something on the qwertZ unit ASAP.
    Nice!

    How does it feel using a 240g device as a daily and how is the comfort levels with such a wide landscape keyboard?
    11-19-19 03:14 PM
  21. EskeRahn's Avatar
    Nice!

    How does it feel using a 240g device as a daily and how is the comfort levels with such a wide landscape keyboard?
    Surprisingly it does not FEEL as heavy, as I the most of the time use it opened with two hands. I even added a 60g Flip case while it is still so 'irreplaceable' last week.

    The weight per area/unit is the same as e.g. the Xperia (Neo) Pro. So it feels more like a larger device than a heavier device - but of course that is the psychology that tricks me, as it in real weight is heavier.

    I look forward to be using the un-shifted keyboard, I kept having issues with the very leftmost keys. Typing what it was supposed to give.
    After just a few hours, I'm already very happy with the unshifted keyboard combined with the FinQWERTY software to provide the Danish chars in the right positions.

    The width is an academic, not a real, issue. It's simply a way of how you hold it depending on your hand size. See this
    11-19-19 04:21 PM
  22. the_boon's Avatar
    Surprisingly it does not FEEL as heavy, as I the most of the time use it opened with two hands. I even added a 60g Flip case while it is still so 'irreplaceable' last week.

    The weight per area/unit is the same as e.g. the Xperia (Neo) Pro. So it feels more like a larger device than a heavier device - but of course that is the psychology that tricks me, as it in real weight is heavier.

    I look forward to be using the un-shifted keyboard, I kept having issues with the very leftmost keys. Typing what it was supposed to give.
    After just a few hours, I'm already very happy with the unshifted keyboard combined with the FinQWERTY software to provide the Danish chars in the right positions.

    The width is an academic, not a real, issue. It's simply a way of how you hold it depending on your hand size. See this
    I'm not sure what you mean by "unshifted" keyboard, I just want to know how a final production unit would feel when typing.

    The width is an academic, not a real, issue.
    @conite thoughts lol?
    11-19-19 04:33 PM
  23. EskeRahn's Avatar
    I'm not sure what you mean by "unshifted" keyboard, I just want to know how a final production unit would feel when typing.

    @conite thoughts lol?
    Read (in) the blog-posts i made on the Pro1...
    And I has had the production unit for a few hours, there are still not a specific post on that....
    Added an unpacking etc post
    Last edited by EskeRahn; 11-19-19 at 05:57 PM. Reason: Link
    11-19-19 04:36 PM
  24. Ralse's Avatar
    Bought a cosmo communicator, quite happy with the product.
    12-16-19 01:28 PM
  25. Spinnp's Avatar
    Well, the device is nice looking and feeling. But there are some downsides to it
    12-25-19 08:57 AM
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