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- 02-01-13 11:33 PMLike 2
- If I were a WP fan, which I assume you are since you're spending an awful lot of time defending WP for a "Soley iPhone5 owner", then I'd rather see threads about BB on a BB website than see 4 out of 6 top topics be about BB on a WP website. If you thought you saw anything other than this thread alone as a non BB related topic, then you saw wrong. And now apparently you're adding trolling to your list since you just referred to this entire community as "whining". You're a real charming fellow. Definitely not Mensa material though.
Oh and I'm most definitely an iPhone user. Check my instagram name, cause we all know what platform(s) DOESN'T support that at the moment02-01-13 11:49 PMLike 0 -
It's always common sense and logic from my end...I can't be held responsible if some of you can't deal with that.
PS: I've been on this forum for a while now and I've vigorously tackled misinformation when it comes to hard facts like misrepresentation of tech specs, sales numbers etc. I've never pulled the 'misinformation' card when you lot pull out subjective opinions like 'IOS is stale' and 'home buttons are archaic' or 'Android is a confusing mess'. There's a difference.cckgz4 likes this.02-02-13 12:01 AMLike 1 - Your point about the Curve is very good, but my comment is still the same. Windows Phone is gaining a bit of traction but not a runaway success - especially considering all that went into the NOKIA launch of Windows Phones this christmas.
And I like Windows Phone. But it's success is no more 'assured' than BlackBerry's is. It is foolish to under-estimate Microsoft in any circumstance but it's also foolish to assume they can walk in and win.
But here's the thing. WP8 is stable and has a fast growing app ecosystem . More folks are using Windows 8 and xbox and the Metro UI is growing on people. They had supply issues with the 920 in Q4 but that's being overcome. more critically, now they are rolling out multiple form factors with cheaper price points like the Lumia 620 which at $250 should sell like hotcakes in big markets like India and China. At 170 pounds in the UK, I can easily see the 620 doing vey well in that country.
I still maintain that Blackberry needs to come out with a low cost BB10 handset soon.
There's no guarantee for sure...I think this year's Mobile World Congress should be very interesting, if only to see the support MS can manage to scrounge up from other OEMs.02-02-13 12:16 AMLike 2 -
- just joined the crackberry nation after the bb10 event i have to say blackberry is headed in the right direction but having read the piece from wpcentral i had to reply now i've used palm os,wp,ios, and now a current android user i have say what i saw at the event and the reviews from kevin and other various tech sites i would place bb10 in a strong second only to ios only because of apps but i'm not about to dog bb10 for that more will come now everyone has there opinion but what was written by daniel was a little narrow minded when the z10 hits your carrier try it out before you read things like what wpcentral writes me myself will be supporting blackberry just ordered a playbook 32gb and soon as i can i'll be picking a z10 off the shelf and putting my galaxy nexus on a shelf good luck blackberry you have a new fanBlackStormRising likes this.02-02-13 07:24 AMLike 1
- A good first post and a thank you. Crackberry lives and grows.
just joined the crackberry nation after the bb10 event i have to say blackberry is headed in the right direction but having read the piece from wpcentral i had to reply now i've used palm os,wp,ios, and now a current android user i have say what i saw at the event and the reviews from kevin and other various tech sites i would place bb10 in a strong second only to ios only because of apps but i'm not about to dog bb10 for that more will come now everyone has there opinion but what was written by daniel was a little narrow minded when the z10 hits your carrier try it out before you read things like what wpcentral writes me myself will be supporting blackberry just ordered a playbook 32gb and soon as i can i'll be picking a z10 off the shelf and putting my galaxy nexus on a shelf good luck blackberry you have a new fan02-02-13 08:10 AMLike 0 - Does BB10 have an app advantage over Windows Phone?
BB10 is launching with 70,000 apps. 40% of them may be Android apps, but that still leaves about 42,000 native apps. At Launch. Windows RT launched with nothing and according to this source only has 40,839 RT apps available a full 3 months after launch, with only 27,257 available in the US.
Does BB10 have a larger ecoysytem (gaming, desktop, cloud, enterprise/Office) than Windows Phone?
The large Windows ecosystem that you're referring to is largely a legacy system. Windows 8 has pretty much been panned by industry so far. The Xbox connectivity doesn't really demonstrate how it can make enterprise/office more productive. And the new BB phones can become your desktop or your gaming system. Just because you've got a legacy ecosystem doesn't mean your customers will keep investing in it.
No matter how you look at it Microsoft have a larger better ecosystem than BB.
Is BB10's UI more interesting than Windows Phone?
It's not just the UI, its the UX. The old paradigm is just point and click, or click and drag. It's a mouse or a home button. It's very in the box thinking. The majority of the system gestures used in the Playbook and BB10 start from outside the box. They make the entire surface interactive and more intuitive and it represents a significant step forward in terms of the ergonomics of how we interact with our devices.
Does BB10 face the same obstacle as Windows Phone, namely iOS and Android momentum in the marketplace?
No. BB10 already has FIPS 140-2 certification. It's the only platform to ever launch pre-certified. No Windows 8 phone has FIPS.
Does BB have a strong legacy to rely on?
Do carriers prefer BB to Microsoft?
Yes. Because BB is known for making quality phones.
Is BB hardware good and often better than Android?
Better question: Would a buggy app that crashes an Android device be able to wreak the same havoc on a BB10 device? No.
Has the media been more jubilant and positive about BB than their Windows Phone coverage?
Because Metro is UGLY. Face it. Microsoft jumped the shark with Windows 7 and then dropped long term support by refusing to offer service packs to try to force enterprise to upgrade to Windows 8. Blackberry's stock and media reputation was in the toilet 5 months ago, Microsoft's was not. Blackberry is the underdog in this situation and Microsoft is a manipulator so don't expect sympathy on that front.02-02-13 09:57 AMLike 0 - This is pure comedy. You guys are arguing over phones that have 10% market share, combined. I'm a fan of BB10 and WP8 but I can see that both will be playing second fiddle when it comes to developers. Both will remain niche products for the foreseeable future. My only concern is if BlackBerry can stay afloat as a niche. I'm not concerned about Microsoft. They have been a niche ever since they entered the mobile market and it doesn't phase them at the least.christenmartin likes this.02-02-13 11:17 AMLike 1
- I assure you that is not the case. I'm not at all convinced that BB10 offers anything better than what is currently on the market. Most reviews said as much too.
I'll gladly keep Nokia over BlackBerry. Not that I think BlackBerry is bad but I'm more confident in Nokia's long term innovation.02-02-13 11:24 AMLike 0 - More like 1000 native apps, that is appalling and you can see
Which parts are legacy? xbox music with a third more tracks than are available on BB, outlook, skydrive, azure, etc?
No matter how you look at it Microsoft have a larger better ecosystem than BB.
The reviews dont seem to agree with this, some going as far as calling the UK chaotic.
Do you even know what FIPS is? It is a security certification that says a device can use different technologies that have been tested by the US gov, how on earth does that have anything to with the momentum of IOS or Android?
No
Really?
Strawman,
Again you are talking nonsense Windows 7 LTS ends in 2020.
Oh yeah... NEVER.Neely2005 likes this.02-02-13 11:47 AMLike 1 - Does BB10 have an app advantage over Windows Phone?
BB10 is launching with 70,000 apps. 40% of them may be Android apps, but that still leaves about 42,000 native apps. At Launch. Windows RT launched with nothing and according to this source only has 40,839 RT apps available a full 3 months after launch, with only 27,257 available in the US.
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Windows RT. Windows Phone. Are these two the same?!
You need Jesus.cckgz4 likes this.02-02-13 11:52 AMLike 1 -
You need to find your inner Buddha.02-02-13 12:46 PMLike 0 - windows phone 8 appstore numbers...officially
Reflecting on 2012: scale and opportunity
Confidence. Establish high confidence level in the store and the apps it offers. Confidence is built by testing and certifying every app and game to help protect customers from malware and viruses. Over the last year we’ve certified and published over 75,000 new apps and games (more than doubling the catalog size) and over 300,000 app updates. In addition, this year we added the capability for customers to tell us if they have a concern about an app.
christenmartin likes this.02-02-13 01:15 PMLike 1 - windows phone 8 appstore numbers...officially
Reflecting on 2012: scale and opportunity
so 150k+ windows phone apps02-02-13 01:42 PMLike 0 - windows phone 8 appstore numbers...officially
Reflecting on 2012: scale and opportunity
so 150k+ windows phone apps
The BB10 platform isn't designed to fragment their tablet and phone ecosystem the same way their Windows Phone and Windows RT platforms have.02-02-13 01:43 PMLike 0 -
- 02-02-13 02:53 PMLike 0
- The Playbook is just a development device for the platform, but it's still getting BB10. BlackBerry's end goal is to create a unified platform, not a bloated codebase of fragmented operating systems that will be near impossible to maintain across generations.02-02-13 03:28 PMLike 0
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No, apps written on Windows Phone 8 can't run on Windows RT directly but the code overlaps as much as 80% with UI being the main differentiation (Microsoft recognizes that a desktop PC, tablet and phone are all different systems with unique usability requirements, that's why they didn't take Windows Phone and make into a tablet--that's the easy way out).
Windows 8 is far from 'bloated', in fact it's extremely light, which is why it can fly on Atom or i3 processors (or ARM for straight RT). There is no "maintaining across generations" as Microsoft is bringing all of their platforms onto the same code. A developer can write one app for RT, open a "new project" with the developers tools and port most of that into a Windows Phone 8 app (and vice versa).
This will become more evident when Windows "Blue" comes online. The combo of share codebase between desktop, tablet, cars, Xbox "720", Windows Phone will give Microsoft extreme flexibility in the future.cckgz4 likes this.02-02-13 04:19 PMLike 1 - What does that even mean? Windows Phone 8 can run all apps and games on Windows Phone 7.
There are no "native" apps for Windows Phone 8 except for games that opt to use the new gaming engines brought online. There are apps that take advantage of new WP8 APIs like lockscreen wallpaper, notifications, rapid resume, doublewide tiles, higher resolution graphics, but you don't need to have an app with those to run as everything just scales up.02-02-13 04:24 PMLike 0
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