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  1. Tony Edwards10's Avatar
    Trump, Trump.. Anyone but Clinton

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    02-14-16 04:00 PM
  2. leglace1's Avatar
    When the states had rights, blacks sat in the back of the bus and couldn't eat with whites. How do you call that deciding what's best? Best for who?
    Civil rights was broken federally before states were misapplying the law. Once the federal government fixed the scope of equal rights applying to all people in the constitution, it was an easy fix. The constitution will always require federal oversight. That has always been the intent.

    States know what they need for its people better than the federal government just as cities and towns know what their constituents need. When you start forcing states to regulate per what the federal government wants, you tie their hands. Example, education, welfare, healthcare.


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    02-14-16 04:01 PM
  3. misterabrasive's Avatar
    Civil rights was broken federally before states were misapplying the law. Once the federal government fixed the scope of equal rights applying to all people in the constitution, it was an easy fix. The constitution will always require federal oversight. That has always been the intent.

    States know what they need for its people better than the federal government just as cities and towns know what their constituents need. When you start forcing states to regulate per what the federal government wants, you tie their hands. Example, education, welfare, healthcare.


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    It may have seemed like an easy fix to you and legislatively maybe it was. But, the actual implementation and acceptance of the legislation was very very difficult and to a large extent is still not accepted in many areas today. Especially in the South.

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    02-14-16 04:11 PM
  4. leglace1's Avatar
    It may have seemed like an easy fix to you and legislatively maybe it was. But, the actual implementation and acceptance of the legislation was very very difficult and to a large extent is still not accepted in many areas today. Especially in the South.

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    I am sure most of us agree in a "we the people" government over a "them the government". If you want to have a voice in how our government is run or keep accountability within an earshot of the community, you better have state's rights. Some states will get it wrong while others get it right. They learn from one another. The big government concept would more than likely only do what is best for the donors, and make decisions that are unproven with the entire nation to pay for its shortcomings. In addition, tyranical governments come from big government with little to hold them accountable.

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    02-14-16 07:07 PM
  5. Soapm's Avatar
    I am sure most of us agree in a "we the people" government over a "them the government". If you want to have a voice in how our government is run or keep accountability within an earshot of the community, you better have state's rights. Some states will get it wrong while others get it right. They learn from one another. The big government concept would more than likely only do what is best for the donors, and make decisions that are unproven with the entire nation to pay for its shortcomings. In addition, tyranical governments come from big government with little to hold them accountable.

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    So what happens when a state gets it wrong? It was the Governor who stood in the door of a school declaring, "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever". Most of the local authority belonged to the group that was killing its citizen's then turning a blind eye became the face of justice. I guess thinking states can do it better is a matter of perspective???

    I may not like Obamacare but I like the term, "can't afford to live" even less. Sure, anyone can go to an emergency room but we who had insurance was paying the deferred cost of the ones who had no insurance and our rates were going out of control. Insurance companies had maximum caps so that the parents of terminal ill children with Leukemia were forced to liquidate their lives in a no win effort to keep their child alive. And let's face it, giving someone preventive care or a pill for their blood pressure sure saves us the cost of caring for the effects of a stroke or diabetes... either way we're going to pay, the blood pressure pill makes more sense than full time care for a stroke victim??? I'm sure you can see that???

    I too don't like welfare, but until we come up with a better way to help those who can't do for themselves, like say my nephew born with MS, then we have to try something. Yes, there are people who fraud and milk the system, but we have them in wall street and defense contracts also. And they stick us for a whole lot more than a few food stamps ($600 hammer)... Spreading the cost across the national population helps us do more for less than small states like AK (small population) and other less populated states can do for their poor. This is why the programs are federal, we can do more for less at that level...

    As far as doing for their donors, you're sure not describing those who live off public assistance. I've never seen a welfare lobbyist??? Pumping $millions into a campaign or buying a TV network??? They sure aren't a bunch of them making large donations like say the deregulation guys that got tax breaks and subsidies for sending the good paying jobs overseas... I think you're blaming the problem on the attempt to solve it whether than seeing reality for what it is...

    I would like less government also, but as long as the rich keep taking advantage of the poor then the only voice the poor has to counter the money of the rich is government. I know some are afraid of communism, but without government we'd be more of a third world country with about 10% filthy rich and the rest of us dirt poor...
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    02-14-16 07:46 PM
  6. leglace1's Avatar
    The states make up the country through local governments. They will make mistakes, but not at a national level. However, they will likely learn from one an other. As long as they are forced to abide by the constitution, historical issues we had are in the past. There will always be a new a challenge, but at least if a state gets it wrong, people will leave in protest. Other states will do some things better and hopefully they all self regulate to learn from mistakes and success of other states. If the federal government gets it wrong, that is a much bigger issue.

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    02-14-16 08:10 PM
  7. misterabrasive's Avatar
    The states make up the country through local governments. They will make mistakes, but not at a national level. However, they will likely learn from one an other. As long as they are forced to abide by the constitution, historical issues we had are in the past. There will always be a new a challenge, but at least if a state gets it wrong, people will leave in protest. Other states will do some things better and hopefully they all self regulate to learn from mistakes and success of other states. If the federal government gets it wrong, that is a much bigger issue.

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    So, how many people do you know personally who have left their state in protest? And where do you actually live?

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    02-14-16 08:23 PM
  8. leglace1's Avatar
    Businesses leave first, and then people follow the businesses. This has happened with NJ where taxes are ridiculous. Their population has shrunk.

    I left NJ in protest to move down south where there is much less regulation.

    If you like high taxes, NJ may be for you.

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    02-14-16 08:43 PM
  9. jbfair728's Avatar
    As far as doing for their donors, you're sure not describing those who live off public assistance. I've never seen a welfare lobbyist??? Pumping $millions into a campaign or buying a TV network??? They sure aren't a bunch of them making large donations like say the deregulation guys that got tax breaks and subsidies for sending the good paying jobs overseas... I think you're blaming the problem on the attempt to solve it whether than seeing reality for what it is...
    Public assistance needs a lobby? Public assistance IS the lobby, and quite an expensive one- it's costing us billions!!! Most Dem politicians drag folks to the polls just by promising them all kind of goodies. If you can pinpoint to 1 issue that helped Obama win a 2nd term, it's to promise of free birth control. The young turned to the polls in droves! With de Blasio in New York, it was free pre-kindergarten. And the list goes on and on.

    As stated in a previous post, no, I'm not against common sense social programs per se. But you can't deny the fact that it is the promise for more and more giveaways that is keeping the modern Democratic machine alive. Food Staps, not good enough. Public housing, discount college, you deserve more. Free health care, tax refunds, WIC, etc. etc. Still not enough.

    Sanders and Hillary fighting for the poor. Not because it will help them win. Noooo, not at all! it's because they really care. My foot!

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    02-14-16 09:40 PM
  10. grover5's Avatar
    Public assistance needs a lobby? Public assistance IS the lobby, and quite an expensive one- it's costing us billions!!! Most Dem politicians drag folks to the polls just by promising them all kind of goodies. If you can pinpoint to 1 issue that helped Obama win a 2nd term, it's to promise of free birth control. The young turned to the polls in droves! With de Blasio in New York, it was free pre-kindergarten. And the list goes on and on.

    As stated in a previous post, no, I'm not against common sense social programs per se. But you can't deny the fact that it is the promise for more and more giveaways that is keeping the modern Democratic machine alive. Food Staps, not good enough. Public housing, discount college, you deserve more. Free health care, tax refunds, WIC, etc. etc. Still not enough.

    Sanders and Hillary fighting for the poor. Not because it will help them win. Noooo, not at all! it's because they really care. My foot!

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    Lol. You don't get it. They want a society that cares for each other and puts the happiness and health of the citizens above all else. It isn't about money. I'll buy you a printer. Print out as much money as you can and wrap yourself up in it. Do it alone. There. You have your country. Enjoy.
    02-14-16 10:54 PM
  11. medic22003's Avatar
    I honestly don't see what people see in Trump, he has barely even mentioned what he will do, all he says is, I know what to do, trust me, I'm a deal maker, I'm a successful businessman. He is a businessman and thinks he can do anything because he is a negotiator, that's just bull. Take Russia, Putin will not play to Trump!

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    EXACTLY. Every time I see a Trump, Hillary, or bernie rally the movie Idiocracy comes to mind. I truly wanted Rand Paul but now I'm all in for Cruz. I will NOT vote for another Bush. I voted for the last 2 but have since woken up. If they cram another establishment "moderate" on us I'll vote for Gary Johnson and the chips can fall where they will. I pray the people wake up and a Constitutional person wins the election.

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    02-14-16 10:56 PM
  12. Captain_Hilts's Avatar
    Public assistance needs a lobby? Public assistance IS the lobby, and quite an expensive one- it's costing us billions!!! Most Dem politicians drag folks to the polls just by promising them all kind of goodies. If you can pinpoint to 1 issue that helped Obama win a 2nd term, it's to promise of free birth control. The young turned to the polls in droves! With de Blasio in New York, it was free pre-kindergarten. And the list goes on and on.

    As stated in a previous post, no, I'm not against common sense social programs per se. But you can't deny the fact that it is the promise for more and more giveaways that is keeping the modern Democratic machine alive. Food Staps, not good enough. Public housing, discount college, you deserve more. Free health care, tax refunds, WIC, etc. etc. Still not enough.

    Sanders and Hillary fighting for the poor. Not because it will help them win. Noooo, not at all! it's because they really care. My foot!

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again - the vast, overwhelming majority of welfare in America does NOT go to the people and the programs you're faulting in your post. It goes to the top 1% in the form of tax breaks, subsidies, and bailouts. Why do you and so many others so quickly boil down the Democratic party platform as one that gives out free stuff when primarily the republican party (since Reagan, especially) has created a system of corporate welfare that gives BILLIONS of our tax dollars to people and corporations that DON'T need it?

    The day that one of you people actually turns your ire to where it SHOULD be instead of demonizing the poor and other needy recipients of social welfare (again, most of whom are children), I'll eat my shoe.

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    02-14-16 10:58 PM
  13. medic22003's Avatar
    It's amazing isn't it? I'm sure you find me and my way of thinking (being a Bernie fan) as alien as I find you liking Rubio. Yet I'm sure we both sincerely think we have the countries best interest at heart.

    No matter what I know I'll vote for the Democrat at the end but I hope Trump beats Cruz in the primary.

    I hope Rubio beats Cruz too. I guess I'd take anything over Cruz. He really scares me.

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    I have to ask you why Constitutional government scares you? I wanted Rand Paul, but that isn't an option now. Cruz is next in line. Actually Carson is, but he's going to be out soon too.

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    02-14-16 11:00 PM
  14. medic22003's Avatar
    You need to travel more outside the US if you think Democrats are socialists or anything close to being left wing. Go live in France if you really want to know what left wing really means. Democrats are right of centre, and Republicans are extreme right wing. There is no liberal or left wing party in the US. Not even close.

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    Only because the progressives " cough socialists " here haven't figured out how to completely get around that pesky Constitution.

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    02-14-16 11:03 PM
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    LOL

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    02-14-16 11:17 PM
  16. medic22003's Avatar
    The common mistakes that people like you make is that you look down and not up, why does Warren Buffet have a lower Tax rate then you? The Billionaires in America have been getting Tax breaks for years and additionally sheltering there money in off shore account and fake company's but you can only think about a few people abusing the System on the bottom. The scales are tipped unfairly in there favor which causes someone like you and your Wife To work two jobs to get by.
    As to your friend I'm sorry to hear that, if the American Health Care system was set up like in all other Modern Country he wouldn't go Bankrupt while trying to get treatment, it's not right to make massive Profit on people's Health when all they want to do is live.


    Read this Article For a small example of how over priced Health Care Is in America, even with Health Insurance Your rates and Premiums will continue to rise when you become unprofitable.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/he...pagewanted=all
    No he would die before he got surgery for his gall bladder because it just wasn't quite bad enough when they put him on the list a year ago. As a medical professional, and having seen what the VA and Medicaid here WON'T take care of, you can keep your government single payer insurance.

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    02-14-16 11:20 PM
  17. medic22003's Avatar
    I never liked the man when he was alive, but my sympathies to his family for their loss and to all those hurt by his unapologetically conservative reading of the Constitution in his rulings. He criticized homosexuality as a liberal plot to indoctrinate children, spoke out against women's reproductive rights, was married to an outspoken religious fanatic / advocate of conservative social values, argued that multi-billion dollar corporations are people and that money is speech, did not recuse himself from cases in which he had a conflict of interest, and showed contradictory interpretations of the Constitution depending on the issue being argued. In short, he was everything a Supreme Court Justice should not be. It's too bad the republicans have a palpable hatred of President Obama, otherwise he might be able to nominate someone more suited to the position to replace Scalia, but I'm sure they'd rather shut the court down completely than see anyone left of Scalia take his seat.

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    I was going to list all the reasons you are wrong but I'll just leave it at Obama hasn't nominated anyone who adheres to the Constitution in any post yet.

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    02-14-16 11:24 PM
  18. Soapm's Avatar
    As stated in a previous post, no, I'm not against common sense social programs per se. But you can't deny the fact that it is the promise for more and more giveaways that is keeping the modern Democratic machine alive. Food Staps, not good enough. Public housing, discount college, you deserve more. Free health care, tax refunds, WIC, etc. etc. Still not enough.
    Just like the promise of more corporate welfare keeps the GOP alive. Let's have another war so we can drop million dollar bombs by the dozens, you don't think that's welfare? And fighting an ideology like terrorism with an army is the biggest farce I've seen in a long while. How about oil subsidies when the industry is making record profits? We pay farmers not to grow crops and you complain about a food stamp, why not let the farmer grow the food then give it to the poor???

    You don't seem to hate government waste, it's appears only specific waste that makes you mad. If we'd bring back the jobs from overseas, perhaps we can reduce the welfare rolls? Ever think of that?
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    02-14-16 11:33 PM
  19. Captain_Hilts's Avatar
    Only because the progressives " cough socialists " here haven't figured out how to completely get around that pesky Constitution.

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    Scare tactics, misinformation, and repeated (and debunked) right wing talking points. Rather than just repeat what you've heard, please explain how progressives hate the Constitution and are trying to do away with it. Last time I checked, republicans were the ones trying to limit access to voting, trying to take a woman's right to privacy away, trying to transform America into a theocracy, trying to legalize discrimination against the LGBTQ community by claiming religious freedom or saying "the states should decide," trying to eliminate democracy in states like Michigan, etc, etc, etc.

    Can you still say what you like outside of inciting others to riot? Can you still worship and assemble where and when you want? Can you still own a gun? Can you vote? If (when) you get arrested, will you be given a trial by a jury of your peers? If you answered "yes" to all these questions, then congratulations, you still have your rights. Don't like the country we have here? Then pack up and move to North Korea or something. So many on the right are convinced that Obama has already turned us into North Korea, anyway, so I'm sure you won't really notice a difference.

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    02-14-16 11:34 PM
  20. Soapm's Avatar
    I have to ask you why Constitutional government scares you?
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    Because some people forget the constitution is really a great compromise. There were all kinds of views sitting at the table, and not just a bunch of guys who agreed on what government should be. This is why we have elections and why the Constitution had provisions to change it... Otherwise, we wouldn't need Congress, just a bunch of high paid lawyers...
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    02-14-16 11:38 PM
  21. Captain_Hilts's Avatar
    I was going to list all the reasons you are wrong but I'll just leave it at Obama hasn't nominated anyone who adheres to the Constitution in any post yet.

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    Why don't you enlighten us all on how you know oh so much more about the Constitution than those he has nominated and who have been confirmed. Don't worry, I'll believe whatever you say. After all, your icon is an ingenious combination of the traitor... I mean rebel flag with a "please send snacks"... I mean "don't tread on me" symbol. I'm sure you're an expert.

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    02-14-16 11:42 PM
  22. Soapm's Avatar
    Why don't you enlighten us all on how you know oh so much more about the Constitution than those he has nominated and who have been confirmed. Don't worry, I'll believe whatever you say. After all, your icon is an ingenious combination of the traitor... I mean rebel flag with a "please send snacks"... I mean "don't tread on me" symbol. I'm sure you're an expert.

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    Let's not forget the president was a constitutional law professor, but some believe he knows nothing about the constitution. I guess Harvard gave him a free pass...
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    02-14-16 11:49 PM
  23. Captain_Hilts's Avatar
    Let's not forget the president was a constitutional law professor, but some believe he knows nothing about the constitution. I guess Harvard gave him a free pass...
    Exactly, he's one of them dirty "librul" pinkocommiefascistnazis who wants to enslave christians (except himself, I guess), outlaw white people, and transfer power over to the UN. You know, because... reasons.

    Edit: He also wants to beat babies and puppies to death with hardbound copies of the Constitution because his gods Karl Marx, V.I. Lenin, and Adolf Hitler demand it.

    Honestly, the Obama that the right wing has created in their minds is a LOT scarier than the one we actually elected. Twice. By wide margins. Both times.

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    02-15-16 12:00 AM
  24. thurask's Avatar
    Honestly, the Obama that the right wing has created in their minds is a LOT scarier than the one we actually elected. Twice. By wide margins. Both times.

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    He's simultaneously an ineffectual pansy and an iron-fisted dictator, somehow.
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    02-15-16 12:37 AM
  25. Captain_Hilts's Avatar
    He's simultaneously an ineffectual pansy and an iron-fisted dictator, somehow.
    He's whatever the right needs him to be, so long as their construction of his image is scary enough to send voters to the polls. Whatever he is, though, the right is physically and mentally incapable of seeing anything good in him, and that's an absolute shame.

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    02-15-16 03:29 AM
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