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  1. jwolfe99's Avatar
    Wow! just logged in and got hit in the face, did not see this coming. I truly understand though. I am at a loss of words so bear with me. Even though I dont d/l theme's often, I would like to have the ability to see what is available. I am really sorry that one person was able to run you off. I just wish that person had followed my Grandma's advice , "If you dont have nothing Good to say then Keep your Mouth Shut". But alas! Looks like I am a little late on the starting line for that one. I wish all of you total success wherever you go to host you hard work. If it would be possible/allowed on here, could you let us others know where to hook up ?

    Julian
    07-29-09 04:05 PM
  2. dermanj's Avatar
    Just checking to make sure I've got this right...

    This looks to me like a number of signifcant contributors are basically boycotting CrackBerry as a protest -- because CrackBerry management only deleted laurenchantel's racist comments (rather than banning that user completely)?

    Is that the gist? The issue is not that people are angry at laurenchantel, but rather, they are angry that CrackBerry is allowing laurenchantel to be here?
    07-29-09 04:15 PM
  3. Back-space's Avatar
    Just checking to make sure I've got this right...

    This looks to me like a number of signifcant contributors are basically boycotting CrackBerry as a protest -- because CrackBerry management only deleted laurenchantel's racist comments (rather than banning that user completely)?

    Is that the gist? The issue is not that people are angry at laurenchantel, but rather, they are angry that CrackBerry is allowing laurenchantel to be here?
    Essentially...
    07-29-09 04:19 PM
  4. syb0rg's Avatar
    Just checking to make sure I've got this right...

    This looks to me like a number of signifcant contributors are basically boycotting CrackBerry as a protest -- because CrackBerry management only deleted laurenchantel's racist comments (rather than banning that user completely)?

    Is that the gist? The issue is not that people are angry at laurenchantel, but rather, they are angry that CrackBerry is allowing laurenchantel to be here?
    Nope, MrT (As i call him) hosted alot of themes on Crackberry.com's forums. And alot of stuff has happened here recently that has rubbed some of us the wrong way. so mrt being the fair person he is pulled his hosting abilities because of the fall of a few. It's not our choice to pull the server, heck i had themes posted on T-Mobile's forums. But i/we are men enough "if it's good enough for MrT, then it's good enough for me.
    07-29-09 04:38 PM
  5. dermanj's Avatar
    Nope, MrT (As i call him) hosted alot of themes on Crackberry.com's forums. And alot of stuff has happened here recently that has rubbed some of us the wrong way. so mrt being the fair person he is pulled his hosting abilities because of the fall of a few. It's not our choice to pull the server, heck i had themes posted on T-Mobile's forums. But i/we are men enough "if it's good enough for MrT, then it's good enough for me.
    Not sure if I quite follow. Are you perhaps saying "Nope" we are not boycotting CrackBerry -- only MrT is doing so and others are just saying they understand and respect him?
    07-29-09 04:43 PM
  6. syb0rg's Avatar
    Not sure if I quite follow. Are you perhaps saying "Nope" we are not boycotting CrackBerry -- only MrT is doing so and others are just saying they understand and respect him?
    you can do what you want, i've talked with the admin/moderators and i am happy with their current stance. and they know where i stand.


    But i am not currently boycotting, i am just not offering the site anything other than words....
    07-29-09 04:58 PM
  7. mrtolles's Avatar
    I pulled my hosting due to the lack of moderation on the site. VERY racist remarks were made and the member who made them got a slap on the wrist. In MY opinion, Racism should be a NO tolerance. The Forums Manager's stance was he was going to be "lax" and let it die down. I think that most member agree with my decision, but i want it to be know that i made the choice on MY own to pull the hosting from this site. There is however another member who has offered to to host for those who chose to stay.
    07-29-09 05:50 PM
  8. Tlynnsmith's Avatar
    Hmmmm...interesting. First off, there have been a few other CB members who have made some racist comments, and they're still here. People who live in glass houses...well, you know the rest.

    Racist comments, as well as harrassment of any kind should be grounds for immediate and permanent...banning. There's no other way to say it. Those who knew what was going on and didn't report it are guilty, as well.

    Everyone should be able to interact peacefully. Yes, we will always have the "garden-variety" jerks among us, but even they know when to crawl back under the rock, for a moment. We can ignore those folk. There are others, who have no internal radar that says, "I've gone too far south...I need to find my way back". I read the OP's posts, and it's clear as day that she has no intention of behaving like a decent human being. Those folk can't be worked with. They need to go.

    Now, this situation is not the same as the earlier turmoil, with certain CB members poised and positioned to lead a CB uprising, because they couldn't use profanity/obscenity. This is much weightier, and much more serious. It needs to be dealt with swiftly, and it needs to be addressed PUBLICLY.
    07-29-09 05:56 PM
  9. DD1968's Avatar
    In MY opinion, Racism should be a NO tolerance.
    That about sums it up in a nutshell.

    I have to admit I am a little surprised (and disappointed) the poster in question wasn't banned.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    07-29-09 06:03 PM
  10. Reed McLay's Avatar
    I hope you realize, you have played the Trolls game and your actually rewarding him/her by acknowledged defeat.

    Those members that have called for a ban, have a very optimistic viewpoint. Any troll worth his/her handle can circumvent a ban in less time then it took me to type this.

    I am party to what occurred, our advice to you, was to use the Ignore button and never respond to the troll. That is the only winning strategy.

    07-29-09 06:30 PM
  11. username0022's Avatar
    After reading a few posts involving the guilty party and the "victims", I found that instead of ignoring them (as Reed said they should've, and any grown up would've done), they played along and antagonized them further. This only perpetuated the unwanted behavior.
    07-29-09 06:37 PM
  12. KnitPrincess's Avatar
    THIS IS BS !Her Themes were GREAT! If they don't respect you as a person then they don't deserve to have your work posted here! ONWARD AND UPWARD Good Luck
    07-29-09 06:37 PM
  13. Tlynnsmith's Avatar
    I hope you realize, you have played the Trolls game and your actually rewarding him/her by acknowledged defeat.

    Those members that have called for a ban, have a very optimistic viewpoint. Any troll worth his/her handle can circumvent a ban in less time then it took me to type this.

    I am party to what occurred, our advise to you, was to use the Ignore button and never respond to the troll. That is the only winning stratagy.

    You have banned folks, and will continue to do so, right? What's the criteria? Certain behavior calls for it, regardless of whether or not the trolls can slip back in. If that's the position you will take, then don't ban anyone, for any reason. Get rid of banning, altogether.
    07-29-09 06:41 PM
  14. username0022's Avatar
    I agree T... If banning is futile, then why do it?!? Abolish banning.
    07-29-09 06:47 PM
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    After reading a few posts involving the guilty party and the "victims", I found that instead of ignoring them (as Reed said they should've, and any grown up would've done), they played along and antagonized them further. This only perpetuated the unwanted behavior.
    I'm glad someone else read this way. I went through a large number of posts featuring both antagonist and I definitely got the feeling that each was egging the other on. I can't say whether it would have stopped if just one of them had taken the proverbial high road, but the fact is no one did. I can't help but think that if one had been banned, the other should have been also.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    07-29-09 06:48 PM
  16. username0002's Avatar
    I hope you realize, you have played the Trolls game and your actually rewarding him/her by acknowledged defeat.

    Those members that have called for a ban, have a very optimistic viewpoint. Any troll worth his/her handle can circumvent a ban in less time then it took me to type this.

    I am party to what occurred, our advise to you, was to use the Ignore button and never respond to the troll. That is the only winning stratagy.

    I don't feel defeated to be honest, I feel justified.

    I did ignore. I've reported posts as suggested. But racism should be grounds for immediate banning. You can't bring down a persons moral character without even knowing each other.

    Im not leaving because of the person, but the decision that was made by the forum manager and moderators such as yourself.
    07-29-09 06:48 PM
  17. 1456boni's Avatar
    I hope you realize, you have played the Trolls game and your actually rewarding him/her by acknowledged defeat.

    Those members that have called for a ban, have a very optimistic viewpoint. Any troll worth his/her handle can circumvent a ban in less time then it took me to type this.

    I am party to what occurred, our advise to you, was to use the Ignore button and never respond to the troll. That is the only winning stratagy.

    ...Regardless of whether that troll can circumvent a ban as quickly as you say, as a matter of principle a ban was still appropriate in this circumstance.

    To all who are leaving and have contributed your art to us, thanks much and please find a way to let us know where you end up!
    07-29-09 06:52 PM
  18. username0002's Avatar
    I'm glad someone else read this way. I went through a large number of posts featuring both antagonist and I definitely got the feeling that each was egging the other on. I can't say whether it would have stopped if just one of them had taken the proverbial high road, but the fact is no one did. I can't help but think that if one had been banned, the other should have been also.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    I don't deny being a martyr. I did egg her on. I do admit it. But posting things that question my ability as a mother and wife take it too far. I did NOT go that far.
    Last edited by emarsha; 07-29-09 at 07:02 PM.
    07-29-09 06:52 PM
  19. A
    I don't deny being a martyr. I did egg her on. I do admit it. But posting things that question my ability as a mother and wife take it too far. I DID not go that far.
    I don't doubt that what was said was spiteful and hateful and I'm truly sorry you were hurt. .

    But unfortunately, you did, by your own admission, play a part in it. To now lay the blame at the feet of the mods is not fair to them.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    07-29-09 07:02 PM
  20. Username00089's Avatar

    Any troll worth his/her handle can circumvent a ban in less time then it took me to type this.
    It's not my site nor do I have any money invested in it so I couldn't care less
    about whatever happens to the site, but my question is what is the point in
    having the ability to ban then?

    I mean if someone makes some blatant racist comments what more would it
    take to ban?
    07-29-09 07:02 PM
  21. Reed McLay's Avatar
    I don't deny being a martyr. I did egg her on. I do admit it. But posting things that question my ability as a mother and wife take it too far. I DID not go that far.
    And we cleaned up the mess every time....

    The fact is, we do use bans, regularly. You know those great prices on Nike and Viagra you see? Those get an instant ban. Fact is, they know that and dont even try to return.

    The ban is only effective when the members involved have a history they value. Emarsha is such a member, a ban would be a serious insult. The other party, not so much....

    We shall see, who will move into the void you are creating? I am guessing there will still be a PayPal link.
    07-29-09 07:03 PM
  22. username0002's Avatar
    I don't doubt that what was said was spiteful and hateful and I'm truly sorry you were hurt. .

    But unfortunately, you did, by your own admission, play a part in it. To now lay the blame at the feet of the mods is not fair to them.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    I don't lay the blame, I was given a choice, and I made it.
    07-29-09 07:13 PM
  23. Username00089's Avatar
    And we cleaned up the mess every time....

    The fact is, we do use bans, regularly. You know those great prices on Nike and Viagra you see? Those get an instant ban. Fact is, they know that and dont even try to return.

    The ban is only effective when the members involved have a history they value. Emarsha is such a member, a ban would be a serious insult. The other party, not so much....

    We shall see, who will move into the void you are creating? I am guessing there will still be a PayPal link.
    Contributing members who in this case are theme builders would have been
    completely satisfied with a ban of the person no matter if the person makes
    another username or not. I think it's easier to just pander to the people that
    contribute and sacrificing one person (in this case a racist with not that many
    posts) on their behalf. More simple than all this.

    I don't know. Much easier than all this chaos. But again, it's not my site.
    07-29-09 07:13 PM
  24. username0002's Avatar
    And we cleaned up the mess every time....

    The fact is, we do use bans, regularly. You know those great prices on Nike and Viagra you see? Those get an instant ban. Fact is, they know that and dont even try to return.

    The ban is only effective when the members involved have a history they value. Emarsha is such a member, a ban would be a serious insult. The other party, not so much....

    We shall see, who will move into the void you are creating? I am guessing there will still be a PayPal link.

    >We shall see, who will move into the void you are creating? I am guessing there will still be a PayPal link. <

    I'm Lost.

    I do enjoy making themes and sharing them and would never EVER ask anyone for money or donate. I don't do it for money, I'm Ballin'
    07-29-09 07:23 PM
  25. username0002's Avatar
    Contributing members who in this case are theme builders would have been
    completely satisfied with a ban of the person no matter if the person makes
    another username or not. I think it's easier to just pander to the people that
    contribute and sacrificing one person (in this case a racist with not that many
    posts) on their behalf. More simple than all this.

    I don't know. Much easier than all this chaos. But again, it's not my site.


    ITA! My point EXACTLY!
    07-29-09 07:24 PM
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