1. Ponderous's Avatar
    The crowd had begun forming outside the store by 9 p.m. Thursday, Fleming said. By 5 a.m. Friday, when the doors were unlocked, there were 2,000 or so shoppers, many of whom "surged forward," breaking the doors, he said.

    The man was taken by ambulance to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

    Others in the crowd sustained minor injuries such as sprained ankles, Fleming said.

    A 28-year-old pregnant woman was taken to a hospital, but "the baby is going to be OK," Fleming said. She was to be released later in the day, he said.

    The California shootings occurred about 11:30 a.m. (2:30 p.m. ET), authorities said.

    By the time police arrived, two men were dead from gunshot wounds, Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez said. He said authorities are not seeking any other suspects.

    Gutierrez said that the men did not appear to be store employees and that the dispute appeared unrelated to shopping.

    "There was a confrontation inside of the store. But over a toy? I don't think that is accurate," he said.

    Two handguns were found near the men's bodies, Gutierrez said.

    In a written statement, Toys "R" Us spokeswoman Kathleen Waugh said the shooting appeared unrelated to the heavy shopping day.

    "Our understanding is that this act seems to have been the result of a personal dispute between the individuals involved," she said.

    She said company officials were "outraged" by the shooting and were working with authorities to find out what happened.

    Gutierrez said no one else in the store was injured. Gutierrez said no one else in the store was injured. The store remained closed Friday afternoon but was expected to open as usual Saturday. Watch police confirm two people dead at a Toys 'R' Us store

    He said authorities would not release the men's names until their families have been notified.

    Daniel Watson said he was at home with his children when his wife called from the Toys "R" Us store, where she and her mother were shopping.

    "All I could hear was gunshots in the back," he said. "She said, 'They're in here shooting.' I told her to run and hide, stay down and hide."

    He said his wife did just that, ducking under a clothes rack until the threat was over. Watson said neither woman was hurt.

    Asked about the possibility of criminal charges in the Wal-Mart death, Fleming said he would not rule it out but noted that charges would be "very difficult," as it would be "almost impossible" to identify people in the crowd from the video, and those in the front of the crowd were pushed by those behind them.

    Hundreds of people may have lined up in an orderly fashion but got caught up in the rush, he said.

    Wal-Mart spokesman Kelly Cheeseman issued a statement saying, "We are saddened to report that a gentleman who was working for a temporary agency on our behalf died at the store and a few other customers were injured. Our thoughts and prayers are with their families at this difficult time."

    The company is investigating the incident, the statement said.

    Officers patrolling the shopping center overnight had had concerns about the size of the crowd, Fleming said, and had tried to get those in line better organized. Wal-Mart security officers were also present overnight, but he said he did not know how many.

    "I don't know what it's worth to Wal-Mart or to any of these stores that run these sales events," Fleming said, "but it has become common knowledge that large crowds do gather on the Friday after Thanksgiving in response to these sales and in an effort to do their holiday shopping at the cheapest prices.

    "I think it is incumbent upon the commercial establishments to recognize that this has the potential to occur at any store. Today, it happened to be Wal-Mart. It could have been any other store where hundreds and hundreds of people gather."

    Asked whether the security had been adequate, Fleming said, "In light of the outcome, in hindsight, the answer is obviously no. ... This crowd was out of control." E-mail to a friend | Mixx it | Share[/QUOTE]

    Unbelievable. Just unbelievable that people can get that caught up in the commercialism and completely lose sight of the true meaning of Christmas that they could trample a seasonal employee to death who was opening the damn doors.
    11-29-08 12:03 PM
  2. projectdecember's Avatar
    Wow! Is a persons life worth saving a few bucks? For shame!
    Excuse me while I go kill some baby rabbits.
    Last edited by projectdecember; 11-29-08 at 12:20 PM.
    11-29-08 12:08 PM
  3. bx2md's Avatar
    damn that crazy
    11-29-08 12:22 PM
  4. cam_cal's Avatar
    That is sad. The people who stepped on him should be arrested.

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    11-29-08 12:32 PM
  5. Rizzleman716's Avatar
    They wouldn't be able to arrest the many people who trampled him. Only because it was way too many. It would be virtually impossible to indentify them
    11-29-08 01:26 PM
  6. ecooper11's Avatar
    Hopefully they have surveillance cameras that captured the animals who trampled him on tape. I just can't imagine how you could see a man laying on the ground and just walk right over him.

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    11-29-08 01:45 PM
  7. teal's Avatar
    They have a tape and are reviewing. I say charge the culprits with manslaughter.

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    11-29-08 01:59 PM
  8. hearmeoutx's Avatar
    I felt sick to my stomach when I read about this yesterday. People need to learn what the true meaning of Christmas is, and just relax.

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    11-29-08 02:04 PM
  9. AssortedHippo's Avatar
    So what, 2000 counts of 2nd degree man slaughter? GTFO...

    In crowds that size, things can get awful quick...I SERIOUSLY doubt anyone tried to hurt the poor man...and while it is unfortunate, I doubt anyone could have charges brought up against them for it. Would be like volunteering for the running of the bulls, and then wanting to euthanize the bull because it hurt somebody.
    11-29-08 02:12 PM
  10. metalwraith's Avatar
    There was another thread mentioning this too... that was just so f'd up... I guess now they want to "try" to find the people involved in said trampling... good luck...
    11-29-08 05:20 PM
  11. Blkbear's Avatar
    Having seen a lot of store security videos, I can tell you that even with good tapes you can't really see faces on most of them. And the ones that you can see faces, if there is fast movement, you don't see much to say yes it's person A: in the red shirt with the blue strips on it. Too bad most security video and camera combos, are not as good as what you will see in the casinos. Now those videos are VERY clear.
    11-29-08 07:36 PM
  12. tkerugger's Avatar
    Shame on wal-mart for encouraging crowds like these, then doing nothing to control them, except call the police, who were overwhelmed.

    How could they not expect a crowd to act out of control...I was at a college football game two saturdays ago where a big log jam had formed, then some *** in the back gave a big shove and, just like that, it got really scary.

    Shoppers should boycott this 4am black friday business and behave like humans again...and teach the retailers a lesson against the bait and switch tactics that they rely on.

    Just my $.02

    -neil *has never set foot in a retail store on black friday*

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    11-29-08 10:29 PM
  13. teal's Avatar
    I am not a fan of Walmart and they deserve a far share of responsiblilty also. But for those people running over that poor guy they are garbage pure and simple-GARBAGE. Unfit to be called humans.
    11-30-08 08:36 AM
  14. metalwraith's Avatar
    Good point and yes they should stop that black friday madness.

    I've only set foot in retail stores on black friday mainly due to the fact that I worked in retail stores for a few years or so. It's scary when you see customers literally running down the aisles to get merchandise and fighting over it. I remember when Titanic was released on dvd, women were literally running to the electronics department to get the dvd. Pure nuts to say the least.

    Shame on wal-mart for encouraging crowds like these, then doing nothing to control them, except call the police, who were overwhelmed.

    How could they not expect a crowd to act out of control...I was at a college football game two saturdays ago where a big log jam had formed, then some *** in the back gave a big shove and, just like that, it got really scary.

    Shoppers should boycott this 4am black friday business and behave like humans again...and teach the retailers a lesson against the bait and switch tactics that they rely on.

    Just my $.02

    -neil *has never set foot in a retail store on black friday*

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    Last edited by metal_wraith; 11-30-08 at 12:18 PM.
    11-30-08 12:16 PM
  15. contractors_wife's Avatar
    Well I worked for walmart for 3 years and black Friday is just one of the worst days to work. The store I worked in was open 24 hours so ppl would just line up in the section the merchandise they wanted. But I don't think I have ever seen anyone get hurt or trambled. I mean this is just crazy. They should of had a police office opening those doors not an associate especially when the crowd was as big as it was. My thoughts and prayers go out to their families.

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    11-30-08 06:09 PM
  16. luvitlo's Avatar
    I bet the man family sue wal mart and get a few million. If a fat man can sue Mcdonalds over being fat because they asked if he would like to super size that order and would you like a hot apple pie with that. Then wal mart can pay for encouraging this mass terror on poor door openers. Be for real all the money wal mart has they could have remote locks on the doors.

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    11-30-08 06:19 PM
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