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People can label Obama as a socialist by his viewpoints and his ideas. If you look back at the election, people labeled him as such before he even got the nomination. As an example his "Spread the wealth" idea is a pure socialism. Taking from one group and giving it to another is not a way to help people. Helping people find employment and earn for themselves is the only way to really help people who are in need. It is the old saying about give a man a fish and he will eat for a day and teach him to fish and he will eat for a lifetime. The major problem with the system right now is that that man will be forced to then get a license to fish before he can take care of himself. The tools are there for everyone to take care of themselves (if they choose to do so), but our current government does everything that it can to make that difficult.
If you really want to look at what our new president has been up to then take a look at this. NACHUMLIST Some of it you may like and some of it may make you madder than he11.
Now, I do not listen to Hannity because I don't like his style. I prefer Beck and Boortz because of their views. As for defending Bush, I never did. There were plenty of things that I hated about Bush and plenty of things that pissed me off. I have never gone along party lines with the Dems or Reps anyway. I have been a libertarian for most of my life and I vote that way 99% of the time. That being said, the ability for people to point fingers backwards is just too funny.
I actually am pro-choice, but only because I don't believe it is the governments right to say what a person can and cannot do with their body. I do, however, find abortion to be a detestable thing and am totally against the idea of anyone actually having one. Confusing? Yes it is.
The main reason that I am against abortion and for the death penalty is that unborn children have done nothing wrong. They are pure in heart and soul. They have not been given a choice to be here. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc have already been given the choice and have chosen to do harm to other people. They made a choice to harm others and I don't think that they deserve life anymore. Personally, I think that the families of the victim should have more say in what happens and possibly more involvement in the punishment. I know that if anyone did anything to my family I would want to be more involved and possibly be the one to pull the trigger, flip the switch or push the plunger.
Sorry, I wrote a book again. I get a little carried away on this stuff.
04-16-09 10:55 AM - You applaud his response after 9/11? First of all, he sat in that classroom and did nothing! Then he decides to attack the wrong country? You applaud that? Would you applaud me, for example, if someone burned my house down and I decided to retalliate by shooting my neighbor who was out of town at the time?
You expect your government to provide certain things, but you aren't willing to pay for these things. I never understood that. You also don't stimulate the economy by basically allowing the wealthy and corporations a "free pass" when it comes to paying taxes.
I was always taught that when you phuck up, you apologize. I guess this doesn't apply to America?
04-16-09 11:12 AM - Do you believe that everyone who has been sentenced to death is guilty? Do you think that anyone has ever been put to death for a crime that they didn't commit? If your answer is yes, then you must agree that the whole system is wrong. If your family member was the one wrongly accused of the crime, would your feelings be the same? Or is that somehow different?People can label Obama as a socialist by his viewpoints and his ideas. If you look back at the election, people labeled him as such before he even got the nomination. As an example his "Spread the wealth" idea is a pure socialism. Taking from one group and giving it to another is not a way to help people. Helping people find employment and earn for themselves is the only way to really help people who are in need. It is the old saying about give a man a fish and he will eat for a day and teach him to fish and he will eat for a lifetime. The major problem with the system right now is that that man will be forced to then get a license to fish before he can take care of himself. The tools are there for everyone to take care of themselves (if they choose to do so), but our current government does everything that it can to make that difficult.
If you really want to look at what our new president has been up to then take a look at this. NACHUMLIST Some of it you may like and some of it may make you madder than he11.
Now, I do not listen to Hannity because I don't like his style. I prefer Beck and Boortz because of their views. As for defending Bush, I never did. There were plenty of things that I hated about Bush and plenty of things that pissed me off. I have never gone along party lines with the Dems or Reps anyway. I have been a libertarian for most of my life and I vote that way 99% of the time. That being said, the ability for people to point fingers backwards is just too funny.
I actually am pro-choice, but only because I don't believe it is the governments right to say what a person can and cannot do with their body. I do, however, find abortion to be a detestable thing and am totally against the idea of anyone actually having one. Confusing? Yes it is.
The main reason that I am against abortion and for the death penalty is that unborn children have done nothing wrong. They are pure in heart and soul. They have not been given a choice to be here. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc have already been given the choice and have chosen to do harm to other people. They made a choice to harm others and I don't think that they deserve life anymore. Personally, I think that the families of the victim should have more say in what happens and possibly more involvement in the punishment. I know that if anyone did anything to my family I would want to be more involved and possibly be the one to pull the trigger, flip the switch or push the plunger.
Sorry, I wrote a book again. I get a little carried away on this stuff.
As i've stated before, recieving the death penalty is largely based on at least one of these two factors: race and your net worth. You probably don't have a problem with that either.
"In 82% of the studies [reviewed], race of the victim was found to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder or receiving the death penalty, i.e., those who murdered whites were found more likely to be sentenced to death than those who murdered blacks."
- United States General Accounting Office, Death Penalty Sentencing
Think about it!
04-16-09 11:23 AM - Obviously people are going to be convicted of a crime they did not commit. It has and will continue to happen. It is unfortunate, but the system is not and can never be perfect. I don't have to agree that the system is wrong based on this. You can think that way all you want, but it is the most just and fair system of justice in the world. Would you rather trade it for Mexico's system or Iran's? Are those better justice systems? Maybe you would prefer a system that allows someone to rot in jail with no due process, but I don't.Do you believe that everyone who has been sentenced to death is guilty? Do you think that anyone has ever been put to death for a crime that they didn't commit? If your answer is yes, then you must agree that the whole system is wrong. If your family member was the one wrongly accused of the crime, would your feelings be the same? Or is that somehow different?
As i've stated before, recieving the death penalty is largely based on at least one of these two factors: race and your net worth. You probably don't have a problem with that either.
"In 82% of the studies [reviewed], race of the victim was found to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder or receiving the death penalty, i.e., those who murdered whites were found more likely to be sentenced to death than those who murdered blacks."
- United States General Accounting Office, Death Penalty Sentencing
Think about it!
Of course it is something different if it involves a member of an individuals family. It always is and always will be. That is an invalid argument for anyone. There is nobody that can honestly say that they think the same way about the rest of the world as they do about their own family. Obviously someone in my family being wrongly accused, convicted and sentenced of a crime that they didn't commit would be a problem for me. Anyone that says otherwise is a liar. This doesn't negate the death penalty though. Just because I have a problem with someone in my family or myself possibly being wrongly sentenced to death doesn't mean that the true violent criminals should get a free pass to go out and do it all again.
I am not really going to comment on your race and money issues. To be honest they **** me off. The fact that you are insinuating that my views are in anyway racially or financially biased is insulting. I never said that I was among the wealthy in this country and you have no idea what race I am so your comments go to the heart of your real issues. I find this part of your argument laughable and highly offensive.
I also like the fact that you ignored the first half of my post. I guess you have no real argument for it?04-16-09 12:05 PM - OK fine, if you really want to get into it.......
I'm sorry, but you can't turn something like the death penalty into a racial argument. If you think that more black people get the death penalty than white or hispanic people then you, my friend, are just dead wrong (pun intended). Since you decided to throw a little statistical information (that proves nothing) in there please allow me to retort:
Since 1976 the total number of people executed in the US = 1157
Broken down by race:
Black - 400 (34%)
Hispanic - 85 (7%)
Other - 24 (2%)
White - 648 (57%)
The execution stats are current as of April 17, 2009 following the recent execution in Texas, BTW.
Current US death row population by race:
Black - 1,376 (41.6%)
Hispanic - 365 (11.0%)
Other - 77 (2.3%)
White - 1,489 (45%)
The death row stats actually come from the NAACP too.
Race of Death Row Inmates Executed Since 1976 | Death Penalty Information Center
Yep, it looks really racially biased to me.
If I was going to be pissed at anyone and pointing fingers it would be the "other" group. Those guys are getting away with everything.
As far as your argument about money, I guess that would probably be correct. However, I am looking at the fact that people who have money are far less likely to commit a violent crime than people who need money. I did not see any (didn't look really hard either) statistical information on this though. The fact that wealthier people can get away with murder is a fact that isn't lost on anyone that watch the OJ trial either. People that are stuck with a public defender are unfortunately getting the best council that they can.
I won't argue the whole justice system with you. I think it is far greater than what is found in other countries, if you don't then I pray you never get arrested in Thailand. Which also happens to be a place that you can get labor (legally) for less than $0.32 per hour. With companies sending manufacturing jobs overseas there are plenty of places that they can get people to work for less than $100 a month.
Don't get me started on how bad our school system sucks. The last few presidents haven't done much to improve things and Obama doesn't appear to be going in the right direction with his love of the Venezuelan school systems.04-16-09 02:19 PM - OK fine, if you really want to get into it.......
I'm sorry, but you can't turn something like the death penalty into a racial argument. If you think that more black people get the death penalty than white or hispanic people then you, my friend, are just dead wrong (pun intended). Since you decided to throw a little statistical information (that proves nothing) in there please allow me to retort:
Since 1976 the total number of people executed in the US = 1157
Broken down by race:
Black - 400 (34%)
Hispanic - 85 (7%)
Other - 24 (2%)
White - 648 (57%)
The execution stats are current as of April 17, 2009 following the recent execution in Texas, BTW.
Current US death row population by race:
Black - 1,376 (41.6%)
Hispanic - 365 (11.0%)
Other - 77 (2.3%)
White - 1,489 (45%)
The death row stats actually come from the NAACP too.
Race of Death Row Inmates Executed Since 1976 | Death Penalty Information Center
Yep, it looks really racially biased to me. If I was going to be pissed at anyone and pointing fingers it would be the "other" group. Those guys are getting away with everything.
As far as your argument about money, I guess that would probably be correct. However, I am looking at the fact that people who have money are far less likely to commit a violent crime than people who need money. I did not see any (didn't look really hard either) statistical information on this though. The fact that wealthier people can get away with murder is a fact that isn't lost on anyone that watch the OJ trial either. People that are stuck with a public defender are unfortunately getting the best council that they can.
I won't argue the whole justice system with you. I think it is far greater than what is found in other countries, if you don't then I pray you never get arrested in Thailand. Which also happens to be a place that you can get labor (legally) for less than $0.32 per hour. With companies sending manufacturing jobs overseas there are plenty of places that they can get people to work for less than $100 a month.
Don't get me started on how bad our school system sucks. The last few presidents haven't done much to improve things and Obama doesn't appear to be going in the right direction with his love of the Venezuelan school systems.
Somebody just got owned!
But Im sure those figures must be flawed in some way...RIIIIIGHT!04-16-09 04:08 PM - You just showed me a statistic that says that since 1976, 400 blacks have been put to death while 600 whites have been put to death. It also states, in the same study, that the current death row population consists of 41.6% black and 45% white. what the study doesn't mention though, is that blacks only make up 12% of the general population! Yea, that's fair!!OK fine, if you really want to get into it.......
I'm sorry, but you can't turn something like the death penalty into a racial argument. If you think that more black people get the death penalty than white or hispanic people then you, my friend, are just dead wrong (pun intended). Since you decided to throw a little statistical information (that proves nothing) in there please allow me to retort:
Since 1976 the total number of people executed in the US = 1157
Broken down by race:
Black - 400 (34%)
Hispanic - 85 (7%)
Other - 24 (2%)
White - 648 (57%)
The execution stats are current as of April 17, 2009 following the recent execution in Texas, BTW.
Current US death row population by race:
Black - 1,376 (41.6%)
Hispanic - 365 (11.0%)
Other - 77 (2.3%)
White - 1,489 (45%)
The death row stats actually come from the NAACP too.
Race of Death Row Inmates Executed Since 1976 | Death Penalty Information Center
Yep, it looks really racially biased to me. If I was going to be pissed at anyone and pointing fingers it would be the "other" group. Those guys are getting away with everything.
As far as your argument about money, I guess that would probably be correct. However, I am looking at the fact that people who have money are far less likely to commit a violent crime than people who need money. I did not see any (didn't look really hard either) statistical information on this though. The fact that wealthier people can get away with murder is a fact that isn't lost on anyone that watch the OJ trial either. People that are stuck with a public defender are unfortunately getting the best council that they can.
I won't argue the whole justice system with you. I think it is far greater than what is found in other countries, if you don't then I pray you never get arrested in Thailand. Which also happens to be a place that you can get labor (legally) for less than $0.32 per hour. With companies sending manufacturing jobs overseas there are plenty of places that they can get people to work for less than $100 a month.
Don't get me started on how bad our school system sucks. The last few presidents haven't done much to improve things and Obama doesn't appear to be going in the right direction with his love of the Venezuelan school systems.04-16-09 06:49 PM - Believed bias? No, I'm afraid that this bias/racism is alive and well in 2009. Yes racism is a minority in this country among the population in general and that is a beautiful thing, but the problem with that is the fact that the most racist demographic in this country is older white men and they are the ones pulling the strings in this society. So I'm afraid that your conviction rate statistics are inherently skewed.
"A major factor contributing to racial disparity in prosecution and punishment is the discriminatory profiling of minorities-based on race, ethnicity, and sexual preference-as criminal suspects and, especially, as drug traffickers. In Maryland, state police statistics showed that 73% of cars stopped and searched on I-95 between Baltimore and Delaware in a two-year period were driven by African-Americans, while only 14% of those driving on that stretch of road were Black. Police found absolutely nothing in 70% of those searches. The use of Racial profiling has now been admitted in New Jersey, and evidence of its use elsewhere is widespread."
This is directly related to your conviction statistics. It shows that although overt racism is on the the decline, those in power are still allowed, to pretty much, do as they please (In the name of "justice", of course.) For the record: racial profiling=racism!
As for the death penalty:
"Statistical evidence, including that compiled by the Death Penalty Information Center, shows that African-American men are disproportionately represented among those on death row and those who have been executed in the last twenty years. Although people of color are the victims in more than half of all homicides, a White victim case is over four times more likely to result in a death sentence than a comparable Black victim case."
What is that saying other than under our great system of justice, white life is more valuable than black life? How do you exonerate the "the most fair and just system in the world" for that?04-17-09 01:30 PM
