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Was on another forum and came across this photo:
And a discussion of how folks feel that the President is laying down my doing things like this, along with bowing to foreign leaders, and kissing their hands.
How do you feel about this?
Little experiment that I am trying. Will elaborate more after this gets a few responses.12-08-09 12:39 AMLike 0 -
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And a discussion of how folks feel that the President is laying down my doing things like this, along with bowing to foreign leaders, and kissing their hands.
How do you feel about this?
Little experiment that I am trying. Will elaborate more after this gets a few responses.[/QUOTE]
Dude, thats why he loves oil so much, he loves to lube it up!
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Not sure what the issue is, laying down? He was playing politics. Weird for us yes, but it means something different to the arab world.
A sign of friendship.
However bowing is an act of submission and means something different in that respective culture....
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Showing respect in accordance with the local culture marks Obama as a wise leader. No wonder he is so liked around the world.
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people are going to hate on obama one, because he is black although pepople act like thats not it, and two because he is a a liberal. for these two reason alone he will never get a fair shake although he hasnt come close to starting 2 wars and putting the country into a recession yet.12-12-09 02:59 AMLike 0 -
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So, I'm going to hate the Obama one, because I'm racist, and I'm going to act like I'm not? Be more careful with that brush you're using. I don't like being painted like that.people are going to hate on obama one, because he is black although pepople act like thats not it, and two because he is a a liberal. for these two reason alone he will never get a fair shake although he hasnt come close to starting 2 wars and putting the country into a recession yet.
As for the rest, why did it take him 3 months to send more troops to get us out of the wars quicker? And, I'll agree, the recession started under Bush, and he didn't help matters with that 1st stimulous package. Obama definately isn't doing anything to get us out either. He's dragging it on. Spending our way out of a recession/debt is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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amazinglygracelessRetired ModIn East Asian cultures this is patently false. In East Asian cultures bowing is
(a) a traditional greeting and (b) a sign / symbol of respect. Period.
There is nothing in a bow (unless the forehead nearly touches the floor),
in East Asian cultures, that connotes submission. We Americans really
need to get over ourselves and our sense of world superiority of the President.12-12-09 08:51 AMLike 0 -
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Well said Ken. I'd add that Obama's thoughtful use of force and going after those who actually attacked us on 9/11 demonstrates his ability to lead - as opposed to a cowboy fabricating evidence to get us in a war that did nothing to make America safer, and actually served to give our true enemies time to slither under their rocks and take cover in Pakistan.
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I am still trying to figure out where this is going.....dont get it at all. As for the comment made that we bash Obama because he is black is WHACK. I dont care if he is black or purple or Albino. I am not inot becoming a socialist welfare state. A government that is quick to provide you with everything is just as quick to take away everything, as Ronald Regan said.
Also using the word because he is black and racist is a hate word. I hate the man, **** i would love to meet him and shot some hoops and talk sports, i just totally 100% disagree with his philosophy as to what is best for the country!12-12-09 10:33 AMLike 0 -
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Sorry you feel this way, I was making a general statement it wasn't aimed at anyone in specificSo, I'm going to hate the Obama one, because I'm racist, and I'm going to act like I'm not? Be more careful with that brush you're using. I don't like being painted like that.
As for the rest, why did it take him 3 months to send more troops to get us out of the wars quicker? And, I'll agree, the recession started under Bush, and he didn't help matters with that 1st stimulous package. Obama definately isn't doing anything to get us out either. He's dragging it on. Spending our way out of a recession/debt is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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LMAO!! "Wise" and "Leader," those two words should never been strung together when referencing Obama. Instead of a Commander in Chief who speaks proudly of his country, we have an Apologist in Chief who never turns down the chance to criticize his own country on foreign land. Maybe that's why you've perceived him to be so liked by the rest of the world...He's liked because he's seen as weak which makes America look weak. Just ask Putin, China and Iran what they think of him and they'll laugh...I do everyday.
To dignify the statement that Obama's not liked because he's black is utterly stupid. How the he** did he become President? Did people just wake up after the election and realize they voted for a black man after the election? He didn't win the Presidency because 98% of Blacks voted for him, a majority of whites also voted for him believing in his Hope and Change which was and is nothing but more like "Hoax and Change" that America does not want. You need to stop listening to the Sharpton's and Jackson's of the world when they do nothing but hustle your race for their financial gain. Obama's disapproval rating has nothing to do with the color of his skin, but his incompetent policies that are driving this country to financial ruin and bankruptcy. Obama may not have started a war, but it was he who said, "Afghanistan was a war of necessity."people are going to hate on obama one, because he is black although pepople act like thats not it, and two because he is a a liberal. for these two reason alone he will never get a fair shake although he hasnt come close to starting 2 wars and putting the country into a recession yet.
You're kidding right? "His thoughtful use of force." Give me a da*n break. It took this so called "leader" in excess of three months to come up with this decision. And let's remember, General McCrystal's original request was for 60 thousand more troops but he asked for 40K because he knew he wouldn't get the 60K troops that he needed. So what does Obama do, he gives him 30K and a sets a withdrawal date. Great strategy Obama, give your General less than what he requested and tell your enemy when you're leaving...utter brilliance. Need I say more?Well said Ken. I'd add that Obama's thoughtful use of force and going after those who actually attacked us on 9/11 demonstrates his ability to lead - as opposed to a cowboy fabricating evidence to get us in a war that did nothing to make America safer, and actually served to give our true enemies time to slither under their rocks and take cover in Pakistan.
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Other countries around the world love Obama because he is going to bring America down to their level.
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No, I'm not kidding. When all of the numbers are totaled the troop increase will be 60,000 - including forces supplied by our allies - remember Nato stepped up and is sending more forces than we asked for. Sure Americans are doing most of the fighting, but the Nato troops will free up more Americans and give McChrystal most of what he wants. One of the major concerns brought up by General McChrystal was the time lag between orders and deployment. That has been addressed with an expedited schedule. To me the president is being thoughtful and is taking a reasoned approach. Remember he is getting different advice from people on the ground in Afghanistan.You're kidding right? "His thoughtful use of force." Give me a da*n break. It took this so called "leader" in excess of three months to come up with this decision. And let's remember, General McChrystal's original request was for 60 thousand more troops but he asked for 40K because he knew he wouldn't get the 60K troops that he needed. So what does Obama do, he gives him 30K and a sets a withdrawal date. Great strategy Obama, give your General less than what he requested and tell your enemy when you're leaving...utter brilliance. Need I say more?
As is often the case in wars, the President and his General are debating the way we will prosecute the war. This is time honored and the way we have always done it. I think Obama has actually given the General almost everything he has asked for. Heck, our ambassador, General Eikenberry, said the surge was a bad idea until Afghanistan's government cleans up it's act. I disagree with him and agree with the President. We have to finish the job and get Al Qaeda. The time frames mentioned are guidelines and serve to put Karzai on notice we will not be there proping him up forever.
Not liking the President doesn't make your opinion right. There is a lot left to be seen, and I am willing to give his strategy a chance to succeed. With the all volunteer military we have, one would be a moron to send much of our reserve forces to Afghanistan. Take a look at North Korea and Iran. After the surge we're going to have over 11 brigades on the ground there. That already doesn't leave many left over, but it according to General Casey, it is a sustainable force. When we had 20 brigades in Iraq, we were almost tapped and would have been hard pressed to respond to an attack from somewhere else.
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That's pretty laughable, it's this kind of arrogance (and I hope it's from the noisy minority of Americans, not the majority. Although it's difficult to gauge) which has pretty much left the USA with no choice but to take a more diplomatic approach moving forwards, it's about the only way to prevent America continuing on the road to being a laughing stock.
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People just want a reason to dog obama but our country needs diplomacy, we need these foreign relations, no matter what people think about him bowing or whatever.
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It isn't the majority view Tim. The President was elected with a majority, but even among those who voted against him, most don't subscribe to that sort of myopic view of the world. We all have our nationalistic hate groups - and those who fear foreigners are taking us over. I know of a few in England as well. You know, as I do, they are the ones who yell the loudest.
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I will say that I'm sick of a few certain individuals who have my email address who send out anti-Obama EVERYTHING. And when presented with proof that it isn't true, they say "oh well" or just ignore it. As far as angry people with email addresses, Obama has gotten more hate than any of the past few presidents, and most of it is unwarranted.
Did you guys know Obama is a Muslim????
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That's good to know, and certainly true about those who do not represent the general opinion, behaviour or view of a country being those who shout the loudest, you only have to look at the way brits are perceived throughout the rest of Europe to see it's something that seems to effect everywhere.It isn't the majority view Tim. The President was elected with a majority, but even among those who voted against him, most don't subscribe to that sort of myopic view of the world. We all have our nationalistic hate groups - and those who fear foreigners are taking us over. I know of a few in England as well. You know, as I do, they are the ones who yell the loudest.
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Don't get me wrong, I actually support the surge of sending more troops but why did it take him so long if this is a war of necessity to come to this decision while our men and women in Afghanistan who are under-sourced and losing their lives while the pencil pushers and bureaucrats in Washington play politics with our soldiers lives. It's funny though, Obama is employing the same Bush tactic that was used in Iraq that he claimed for so long wasn't successful...oh the irony. The sad truth of it all is that we're not really there to win that war because our soldiers aren't allowed to. The Rules of Engagement when confronting the enemy has so restricted our military against the Taliban insurgency that it's causing more casualties of American soldiers. Not once does Obama mention the terms winning or victory in his primetime Afghanistan speech..that's revealing in and of itself. If we are not there to win, bring the soldiers home.No, I'm not kidding. When all of the numbers are totaled the troop increase will be 60,000 - including forces supplied by our allies - remember Nato stepped up and is sending more forces than we asked for. Sure Americans are doing most of the fighting, but the Nato troops will free up more Americans and give McChrystal most of what he wants. One of the major concerns brought up by General McChrystal was the time lag between orders and deployment. That has been addressed with an expedited schedule. To me the president is being thoughtful and is taking a reasoned approach. Remember he is getting different advice from people on the ground in Afghanistan.
As is often the case in wars, the President and his General are debating the way we will prosecute the war. This is time honored and the way we have always done it. I think Obama has actually given the General almost everything he has asked for. Heck, our ambassador, General Eikenberry, said the surge was a bad idea until Afghanistan's government cleans up it's act. I disagree with him and agree with the President. We have to finish the job and get Al Qaeda. The time frames mentioned are guidelines and serve to put Karzai on notice we will not be there proping him up forever.
Not liking the President doesn't make your opinion right. There is a lot left to be seen, and I am willing to give his strategy a chance to succeed. With the all volunteer military we have, one would be a moron to send much of our reserve forces to Afghanistan. Take a look at North Korea and Iran. After the surge we're going to have over 11 brigades on the ground there. That already doesn't leave many left over, but it according to General Casey, it is a sustainable force. When we had 20 brigades in Iraq, we were almost tapped and would have been hard pressed to respond to an attack from somewhere else.
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People keep saying what took him so long as if it were an easy decision to make, and even If it were were not going to be over there over night, it takes time to move that many troops units, and things of that nature.
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About the bowing thing. It was to china correct? The most murderous and tyranical governments in the last 50 years. Respect should only be given with a very light bow. There is a whole liturgy of rules to that, how low etc. Obama's was too low and that was the critique not that he did it at all. Minor yes, but there is a big difference.I will say that I'm sick of a few certain individuals who have my email address who send out anti-Obama EVERYTHING. And when presented with proof that it isn't true, they say "oh well" or just ignore it. As far as angry people with email addresses, Obama has gotten more hate than any of the past few presidents, and most of it is unwarranted.
Did you guys know Obama is a Muslim????
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Bush was still more bashed then obama. And had the same bs lies circulating about him with major films being produced about these conspiracy theories.
And about the taking time to get the troops to the field. It is another 3 months adding on, three months could very well mean the government of Afghanistan collapsing, extreme yes, but this is a very delicate situation.
Americans are nationalistic and have every right to be so. I have no need to apologize for me or other people being "arrogant". We have a history of trying to make the world a better place. More so then any other country in the modern era. We do not get it all right, but at least we try. Trust me we would be well better off economically just being isolationist when it comes to world affairs outside of trade. But we don't, we have certain goals for other nations and want them to govern themselves. And there isn't anything wrong with that. When Iraq and Afghanistan are stabilized they will be better off then they were before. As long as we don't abandon them too early.
Anyway we need the generals to make the decisions and they should get everything they request, the political advisors take too long to tell a president yes or no about a big decision like that.
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