1. oifvet1967's Avatar
    Want to capture, torture and kill our citizens? Enjoy being at the receiving end of a Barrett .50 Cal Sniper rifle.
    Last edited by oifvet1967; 04-17-09 at 10:06 AM.
    04-16-09 10:12 AM
  2. Swoopster's Avatar
    What's up with this whole air of paying homage to violence/attacks/retaliation/killing/mame'ing/etc.? I own guns as well; however that isn't where and how I draw my courage from.

    This is interesting; it reminds me of recent news on how SOME (note: some) military veterans; because of rifts in their lives mainly caused by the recession...may join 'ultra-right-wing' groups that see the government (especially the one in place now)...as the reason for their demise. The report said this frustration may be carried out via attacks/aggression against civilians and governmental entities (i.e. Homegrown terror).
    04-16-09 10:28 AM
  3. roeod4's Avatar
    What's up with this whole air of paying homage to violence/attacks/retaliation/killing/mame'ing/etc.? I own guns as well; however that isn't where and how I draw my courage from.

    This is interesting; it reminds me of recent news on how SOME (note: some) military veterans; because of rifts in their lives mainly caused by the recession...may join 'ultra-right-wing' groups that see the government (especially the one in place now)...as the reason for their demise. The report said this frustration may be carried out via attacks/aggression against civilians and governmental entities (i.e. Homegrown terror).
    I would be interested to read this if you can post a link. The only people that I have heard talking about this are those on Air America and they have absolutely no facts to back this up. Everything they were saying was pure speculation and conspiracy theorizing.
    04-16-09 11:01 AM
  4. oifvet1967's Avatar
    What's up with this whole air of paying homage to violence/attacks/retaliation/killing/mame'ing/etc.? I own guns as well; however that isn't where and how I draw my courage from.

    This is interesting; it reminds me of recent news on how SOME (note: some) military veterans; because of rifts in their lives mainly caused by the recession...may join 'ultra-right-wing' groups that see the government (especially the one in place now)...as the reason for their demise. The report said this frustration may be carried out via attacks/aggression against civilians and governmental entities (i.e. Homegrown terror).
    Read the caption below the picture. This was about the pirates that kidnapped the Alabama's Captain. If you have a problem with killing terrorists and pirates that maim and kill innocent people the I suggest you put yourself in the familys place for a second. Read up on all the events that led up to this event and come up with your own conclusion and what you would have done differently.
    04-16-09 11:55 AM
  5. oifvet1967's Avatar
    I would be interested to read this if you can post a link. The only people that I have heard talking about this are those on Air America and they have absolutely no facts to back this up. Everything they were saying was pure speculation and conspiracy theorizing.
    Yes....how about some facts.
    04-16-09 11:57 AM
  6. syb0rg's Avatar
    Yes....how about some facts.
    may not be exactly what you are looking for

    The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement agencies that recent news is helping "right-wing extremist groups" recruit new members and could lead to violence, and warns about the possible recruitment and radicalization of returning veterans.

    DHS' Office of Intelligence and Analysis issued an intelligence assessment last week that said it has no specific information that domestic right-wing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but right-wing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on fears about the recession and the election of the first African American president. The office called them "unique drivers for right-wing radicalization and recruitment."

    "Right-wing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African American president, and are focusing their efforts to recruit new members, mobilize existing supporters and broaden their scope and appeal through propaganda, but they have not yet turned to attack planning," the assessment reads.

    "The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the 1990s when right-wing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers.," it continues.

    The report also suggests that returning veterans are attractive recruits for right-wing groups looking for "combat skills and experience" so as to boost their "violent capabilities." It adds that new restrictions on gun ownership and the difficulty of veterans to reintegrate into their communities "could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

    "Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of right-wing extremist groups ... The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement," the report says.

    The assessment notes that right-wing recruitment grew in the 1990s but subsided after increased scrutiny by the government following the 1995 Oklahoma City bombings.

    It does state that in 2009 "threats from white supremacist and violent antigovernment groups ... have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts."

    "Nevertheless, the consequences of a prolonged economic downturn-including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit-could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past," reads a key finding in the assessment.

    DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban said the April 7 assessment is one in an ongoing series published by DHS "to facilitate a greater understanding of radicalization in the United States."

    "DHS has no specific information that domestic right-wing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but right-wing extremists may be gaining new recruitments by playing on their fears about several emerging issues," Kuban said.

    But some critics have said the DHS is equating conservative views to right-wing terrorism, but a DHS official countered that earlier this year, the department issued a mirror intelligence assessment of left-wing extremist groups.

    "This is the job of DHS, to assess what is happening in this country, with regard to homegrown terrorism, and determine whether it's an actual threat or not, and that's what these assessments do. This is nothing unusual. These assessments are done all the time. This is about awareness," the official told FOX News on Monday.

    The assessment, dated Feb. 5 and titled "Left-wing Extremists Likely to Increase Use of Cyberattacks Over the Coming Decade," concentrates largely on the technical savvy of left-wing extremists and not bloodshed.

    "The perception that cyberattacks are non-violent aligns well with ideological beliefs, strategic objectives and tactics of many left-wing extremists," the earlier report reads. "The increasing reliance of commercial business and other enterprises on cyber technologies, including interconnected networks and remote access, creates new and expanding vulnerabilities that technically savvy left-wing extremists will exploit."

    The report specifically mentions "eco-terrorist" Earth Liberation Front, which has been accused of firebombing construction sites, logging companies, car dealerships and food science labs. The report notes that left-wing extremists prefer economic damage on businesses to get the message across.

    "Their no-harm doctrine includes claiming to ensure the safety of humans, animals and the environment even as they attack businesses and associated operations," the report reads. " Direct actions range from animal releases, property theft, vandalism and cyber attacks, all of which extremists regard as non-violent, to bombings and arson."
    Source

    I personaly am a right wing type of person, even though i do not Condier myself a Rep or a Dem. I typical vote and will support the ideas that move this country forward, and keep this great land great. and yes i do support the war on terror, and yes i support the troops.
    04-16-09 01:20 PM
  7. oifvet1967's Avatar
    Already read that but thanks anyway. Of course extremists would TRY to recruit folks coming out of the military…that’s a no brainer. Some folks like to shoot their mouth off just to get attention and yes….I’m proud to have fought for his right to do so.

    I think this was the article he was referring to. Republicans: Homeland Security Department Report Paints Military Veterans As Extremists - cbs11tv.com

    This was initially a DHS internal document which was classified “secret” until someone, probably a Vet, leaked it. Since then DHS Secretary has done an about face and issued an apology to all vets.
    04-16-09 03:56 PM
  8. BergerKing's Avatar
    There may have been an apology issued, but they are still pursuing this for their own purposes.

    The rash of glorified violence? Part of what they need to push their agenda. Gotta get folks all in a tizzy, stimulate the cries of 'Protect us'.

    Have we forgotten the events and how they contributed to the gun bans of the 90s. Kinda makes it easy when you have a majority of mainstream media working as your mouthpiece.

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    04-16-09 04:28 PM
  9. syb0rg's Avatar
    There may have been an apology issued, but they are still pursuing this for their own purposes.

    The rash of glorified violence? Part of what they need to push their agenda. Gotta get folks all in a tizzy, stimulate the cries of 'Protect us'.

    Have we forgotten the events and how they contributed to the gun bans of the 90s. Kinda makes it easy when you have a majority of mainstream media working as your mouthpiece.
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    can i use that as my signature?
    04-16-09 04:53 PM
  10. syb0rg's Avatar
    There may have been an apology issued, but they are still pursuing this for their own purposes.

    The rash of glorified violence? Part of what they need to push their agenda. Gotta get folks all in a tizzy, stimulate the cries of 'Protect us'.

    Have we forgotten the events and how they contributed to the gun bans of the 90s. Kinda makes it easy when you have a majority of mainstream media working as your mouthpiece.

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    thanks, for letting me do that.
    04-16-09 04:54 PM
  11. oifvet1967's Avatar
    There may have been an apology issued, but they are still pursuing this for their own purposes.

    The rash of glorified violence? Part of what they need to push their agenda. Gotta get folks all in a tizzy, stimulate the cries of 'Protect us'.

    Have we forgotten the events and how they contributed to the gun bans of the 90s. Kinda makes it easy when you have a majority of mainstream media working as your mouthpiece.

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    Feel free to expound on what you refer to as "Glorified Violence". I agree that the media needs to be more responsible in what they report but I dont see any glorification in reporting the killing of 3 terrorists that were about to kill an innocent human being.
    04-16-09 05:32 PM
  12. Swoopster's Avatar
    I would be interested to read this if you can post a link. The only people that I have heard talking about this are those on Air America and they have absolutely no facts to back this up. Everything they were saying was pure speculation and conspiracy theorizing.
    It was a set of statements that were aired on pretty much all news outlets...I personally heard it on NPR. However; the article that mjneid posted in this thread is what I was alluding to (his source is Fox News; whereas I saw the same statements aired on NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc. as well.)

    Read the caption below the picture. This was about the pirates that kidnapped the Alabama's Captain. If you have a problem with killing terrorists and pirates that maim and kill innocent people the I suggest you put yourself in the familys place for a second. Read up on all the events that led up to this event and come up with your own conclusion and what you would have done differently.
    That attached image of the shooter didn't show up when I first viewed the thread. All I saw were the words contained in your opening post.

    Already read that but thanks anyway. Of course extremists would TRY to recruit folks coming out of the military…that’s a no brainer. Some folks like to shoot their mouth off just to get attention and yes….I’m proud to have fought for his right to do so.

    I think this was the article he was referring to. Republicans: Homeland Security Department Report Paints Military Veterans As Extremists - cbs11tv.com

    This was initially a DHS internal document which was classified “secret” until someone, probably a Vet, leaked it. Since then DHS Secretary has done an about face and issued an apology to all vets.
    Well the Secretary's comments afterwards can be viewed as an apology; however her comments were moreso a clarification to what the report stated. The clarification is that of course NOT ALL veterans are included in this type of identification of possible veteran-traits identified in the report.
    04-16-09 05:37 PM
  13. oifvet1967's Avatar
    Well the Secretary's comments afterwards can be viewed as an apology; however her comments were moreso a clarification to what the report stated. The clarification is that of course NOT ALL veterans are included in this type of identification of possible veteran-traits identified in the report.
    And after seeing her press conference I know she's just blowing smoke. Her only case to reference is Timothy McVeigh. Pretty sad.
    04-17-09 10:03 AM
  14. Swoopster's Avatar
    And after seeing her press conference I know she's just blowing smoke. Her only case to reference is Timothy McVeigh. Pretty sad.
    It isn't about 'blowing smoke'. When you say her 'only' case is the Oklahoma City bombing some years ago...well that implies that one example isn't enough to have a credible case. Therefore; I disagree it's 'pretty sad'.

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    04-17-09 11:35 AM
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