View Poll Results: Rock the Vote 2008
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Obama
150 58.37% -
McCain
94 36.58% -
Undecided still
13 5.06%
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Very well put!!I think you've missed some of the point, Frawg. It is not either or when it comes to defense. Many of us who support Obama have served in the military. Being a Democrat does not mean one does not support the troops or that one is less patriotic. Obama has said time and again we must destroy the radicals who seek to harm us. Unfortunately, none of them are (or were) in Iraq. Now were stuck with trying to get out of that mess and return our focus to Afghanistan. I have been reading some about the events leading up to our involvement in Iraq and even I am surprised by the extent of lies told to us to sell this war.
Many good people I know will vote for McCain, and he is an admirable man. It's just that Democrats have different ideas about how to solve our current problems. McCain is to closely tied to the policies that got us into our current financial mess. No one wants higher taxes, but Obama is the only one who supports tax cuts for us middle income people and not just for the wealthy. Isn't about time we got a real cut?
No one I know is going to call you names for supporting McCain, we will only question your reasons for doing so. I have a hard time understanding the reasons for giving the right anymore chances. We have had a long period of low taxes for the wealthy and a period of almost nonexistent or severely curtailed regulation and look at what it has done for us. Just pick up a paper - even the right wing Wall Street Journal. What do you think about the AIG executives who went off on a company paid retreat to a luxury resort and spent thousands on spa visits right after their company was bailed out?
I recently received a retirement statement from my employer, looks like early retirement is no longer an option. I am luckier than many people because I have a fixed benefit plan, but I also have no say over how investments are made. The current losses the plan has suffered have pushed back most retirement dates -- and that statement doesn't include the latest round of losses. I have worked there for 30 years, what's another 12 years instead of the 5 I had planned. Thank you Republican leaders.
I come from a military and working class background. I was always taught that the Republicans do not support working class people. This is, as far as I can see, the truth. If it isn't, please enlighten me. Exactly which White House/Republican policy has encouraged good jobs to stay in America? I forget, which ruling by the White House controlled NLRB was it that helped workers organize to negotiate better wages while Wall Street got those fantastic bonuses and tax cuts? Oh, and what trade policy was it that opened other markets up to our dwindling number of manufactured goods and thereby saving American jobs?
Frawg, I think you're probably a great person. Supporting McCain doesn't make you a racist or a homophobe. You are just someone who believes doing the same thing over and over again will lead to different results. I must respectfully disagree with you, but sure don't dislike you because we have different views on solving the problems facing our country. Nothing can ruin my good mood today, my wife is in Germany on her way home from Iraq, whew, she made it out safely, again.
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I am glad to hear that your wife is on her way home.10-07-08 07:58 PM - Hi Woody!
In Denver, KOA is known as a rightwing outlet. Their news feed comes from Fox. If you were listening to it at night, you were probably listening to Gunny Bob -- a guy who never met a conspiracy theory he didn't love or Jon Caldera head of the Independence Institute -- a very conservative think tank and admirer of everything conservative. Aside from sports programming, Rockies and Broncos, KOA has NO moderate or liberal shows. Not one. There is Rick Barber for four hours four nights a week from 1:00 AM to 5:00 AM, he's a libertarian
. The point is that it is not a credible source for unbiased "reporting." Consevatives rail against the liberal media, KOA is the same the other way. And Gunny Bob would say anything to discredit Obama, anything.
But hey, there are a few upstanding foreign governments who like McCain, like Saudi Arabia and Communist China. I'm just bring this up so people know the source of the information is a little suspect. Hope you're doing well, though.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com10-07-08 08:43 PM - Thanks Frawg.
Too often during elections people get upset and feel they or their ideas are being attacked and that they need to attack back. I personally like people of all political beliefs, and I try to separate the politics from the person. It's not always possible, but I try.
I've mentioned this before, but so the newer members know, my wife works for a defense contractor. She is an environmental, health and safety manager. Part of her job is to audit, or inspect military installations to make sure civilian employees are following hazardous waste disposal and worker safety regulations. I'm proud of her, her job is dangerous. She goes all over the world, including Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, Kerjikistan(sp? I always get this one wrong haha), Bosnia, Qatar, UAE, Curcao, Columbia and Germany. When in war zones, the US Military often flies her where she needs to go by helicopter. She does have to go by ground a bunch, too. I hate that part -- scares the heck out of me. That's why I am so relieved when she comes home,
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com10-07-08 09:14 PM - If any person calls you such things simply because you aren't leaning for Obama; and rather McCain...well those are baseless generalizations. Likewise, no one should ever vote; and conversely NOT vote for either of the two candidates w/o sincere and objective research and thought.
You know, my friend exelant is a bit more restrained than I am when it comes to responses...however I'll say that by the things you've said above; and the tone it resonates...you're simply yet another Limbaugh bobblehead that happens to know how to type (well, sort of).
When you have others doing unbalanced and subjective thinking for you...it's one of the most unpatriotic and irresponsible things.
That's great to hear; I think your wife is a brave individual.Nothing can ruin my good mood today, my wife is in Germany on her way home from Iraq, whew, she made it out safely, again.Last edited by Hi-Definition; 10-07-08 at 10:04 PM.
10-07-08 10:00 PM - I am not the one slinging names around and ragging on petty things like typing. This keyboard is awful small!
Anyway...I vote on PROVEN FACTS, NOT on who my party tells me to vote for. You should see my front yard! I have republican AND dem signs!
I am a 12hr swing shift worker who works hard for my money and I would like to use it wisely and give it to people who NEED it NOT hand it over to people who think they DESERVE it.
Again, I am looking at facts not following the shepard leading the flock.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com10-07-08 11:01 PM - Exelant- I would probably agree with those characterizations of the hosts, except for Barber....who's clearly a liberal and a vocal Bush basher. And the Big Steve guy is a waste of air-time...IMO.
But all the claims that I spoke of, came from Amelia Earhardt!!! I bet she's gotta a Blackberry with some nice pics, eh?
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com10-08-08 05:01 AM - Well the facts for me are in my back yard. I bought my house 4 years ago and the two houses behind me are HUD houses. These two famlies pay nill for their rent and utilities. Guess who pays for it. Me. They have 2 new cars each, a flat screen tv that I can see from across the field and they can buy real Cherioos instead of the Wall- mart brand most people buy to save money. Somebody doesn't know how to count because they have lived there before I showed up. Two years? Huh? That's funny!
Neither one is perfact, but I feel I am voting for the lesser of the two evils.
And if you have done any homework at all you will see that the legislation is controled by the dems. That's the people who vote on and pass laws.
Now that I have put my opinion out there I hope everybody will do a little research before they vote. Not just pull the lever for dem or rep.
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10-08-08 05:32 AM - That was one mangled labyrinth of a post above (particularly the first half of it). I respect that you consider yourself neither a Republican nor a Democrat-labeled voter. But if you consider yourself as such; then wouldn't you be able to decipher who the better of the choices we have in front of us...is.Well the facts for me are in my back yard. I bought my house 4 years ago and the two houses behind me are HUD houses. These two famlies pay nill for their rent and utilities. Guess who pays for it. Me. They have 2 new cars each, a flat screen tv that I can see from across the field and they can buy real Cherioos instead of the Wall- mart brand most people buy to save money. Somebody doesn't know how to count because they have lived there before I showed up. Two years? Huh? That's funny!
Neither one is perfact, but I feel I am voting for the lesser of the two evils.
And if you have done any homework at all you will see that the legislation is controled by the dems. That's the people who vote on and pass laws.
Now that I have put my opinion out there I hope everybody will do a little research before they vote. Not just pull the lever for dem or rep.
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It is so painfully obvious (it literally hurts; sort of an acute pain) that Obama has a clearer picture of implementing and acting on an economical plan, a healthcare plan...and a more effective plan on approaching foreign policy..compared to his counterpart McCain. Obama provides the numbers behind his approach, Obama provides a blueprint of how he'd institute the numbers into the direction to reach certain goals domestically and internationally.
What is sad is the way the mindset that a lot of both Republicans and Democrats have..many Republicans for example acknowledge that their party's ticket is utterly sub-par; yet they say they'll still vote for the Republican ticket; because they can't bring themselves to vote for Obama. And likewise; I'm sure some people are going to vote for Obama mainly because they've always voted along Democratic-lines.
But you know what; it just so happens that this election year's Democratic-ticket is truly the better and smarter choice for our country; and not JUST our country. The world isn't a micro-cosm balled up into America as its beacon anymore; our world is a intertwined macro canvas...where the security and livelihood of one nation is just as dependent on that of another nation. Tailored dipomacy with credibility attached to it is needed for this.
Obama and Biden are the two for achieving, maintaining and sustaining this.10-08-08 10:57 AM
