- It's an interesting watch regarding the issues of privacy.
Edward Snowden: 'If I end up in chains in Guant�namo I can live with that' - video interview | World news | theguardian.com
Posted via CB10Heinz Katchup and pystha like this.07-17-14 05:59 PMLike 2 - I'm sorry. I just can't take this guy seriously. It's like a local PETA chapter being headquartered at a steakhouse.LoneStarRed and BCITMike like this.07-17-14 07:34 PMLike 2
- Ed Snowden was helping to teach people how to protect their information even while he was still working as an NSA contractor. Then he told the world what was actually happening with government spying in multiple countries, producing Pulitzer prizes and numerous civic awards in the process.
What were you accomplishing this year while he was doing all that?
InfoSec and civil liberties are as important as ever.
Z-30/STA 100-5/10.3.0.700+.296/T-Mobile USA07-17-14 08:01 PMLike 3 - His side of the story needs to be told whether you believe him or not. His points are not that far fetch. I am not putting 100% trust on the US government or any government or any institution. To put it in a more relatable scenario. Let's suppose someone sneak into your gym locker and take pictures/videos of you naked changing or taking showers and post them on websites that specifically cater to voyeurists. How do you feel of such invasion of privacy? From the TSA and up these are informations being taken without consent. All it takes is one employee to make some extra money on the side to sell these supposelly mundane data but with specific market value to certain segment of the population. I am just giving one very simple example here. Corporations can't be giving out loyalty rewards for free if your personal information is of no value. How many loyalty cards does one has in his purse or wallet? How did Facebook, Twitter, Google suddenly become the valuable corporations that they are today? This is not so much about one John Snowden or Chelsea Manning leaking out national secrets. We can't live in a bubble and turn a blind eye and give the big brother a free pass. Yup, I m not a criminal, I got nothing to hide just take everything you want from me. Go ahead and feel my junks to your hearts content.07-17-14 08:27 PMLike 0
- Oh I don't doubt his I overall message (even though I wonder if he's skilled enough to know/understand the details of some of the things he leaks,) but I got a biiig problem with him scampering off to Russia. Therefore his "I'll go to Guantanamo if it comes to that" is just a laughable, hollow statement.LoneStarRed likes this.07-17-14 08:54 PMLike 1
- Oh I don't doubt his I overall message (even though I wonder if he's skilled enough to know/understand the details of some of the things he leaks,) but I got a biiig problem with him scampering off to Russia. Therefore his "I'll go to Guantanamo if it comes to that" is just a laughable, hollow statement.Doggerz likes this.07-17-14 09:17 PMLike 1
- Oh I don't doubt his I overall message (even though I wonder if he's skilled enough to know/understand the details of some of the things he leaks,) but I got a biiig problem with him scampering off to Russia. Therefore his "I'll go to Guantanamo if it comes to that" is just a laughable, hollow statement.
BB Proud07-17-14 10:20 PMLike 0 - Oh I don't doubt his I overall message (even though I wonder if he's skilled enough to know/understand the details of some of the things he leaks,) but I got a biiig problem with him scampering off to Russia. Therefore his "I'll go to Guantanamo if it comes to that" is just a laughable, hollow statement.
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- Chelsea ( Bradley) Manning got a for life sentence for exposing war crimes.... wow wonder why Snowden didn't stay in the states. I'm sure he expected a fair trial.
you think D1ck Cheney( Bush was his puppet) will get charged for falsely invading Iraq? Nope the system is backwards.
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07-17-14 10:55 PMLike 3 - Because no other country willing to take him for fear of US retaliation. In the early days after the leak, It was not inconceivable by the US to have him kill. This is a different level of "justice system" you are dealing with. We can't just dismiss him like some has been celebrity seeking for attention. There is some substance to his accusation.
He never did face the American justice system, did he? And he ran away to Russia. Talk about overzealous, intrusive government. Tell me, is he going to leak the Russian sale/transfer orders for the SAMs that brought down the Malaysian plane next? Or is Putin conveniently a good guy to him now?shaleem likes this.07-18-14 12:40 PMLike 1 -
- And you're an expert on the American justice system? Probably just as much of an expert regarding giving or selling secrets while serving in the military. Whether she was right or wrong, it is a violation of military law. U.S. Military Law governs the actions of all U.S. military personnel. What would the Canadian Army do in the same circumstance? I'd wager that they would do the same thing.sad_old_man and raino like this.07-18-14 02:14 PMLike 2
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You do know that he first applied for asylum in Spain, Poland, Austria, Netherlands, Germany � waiting in the internal zone of Moscow airport more than a month trying other options first � and you call that �scamper�?
You really want to drag us down to this level?
But funny that you said "hollow", as this is exactly the current state of the Bill of Rights ( no "big" problem, because you can handle this, right?).
And I�m afraid we are missing a point.
Ed only said �'If I end up in chains in Guant�namo I can live with that� � that's just referring to the fact that �Team Snowden� is not yet check-mate in this game (, although it's crystal clear now the only winners here is the audience and not the players.)
What did Keith Alexander mean when he said (very straight forward) �You need the haystack to find the needle.�?
http://www.aspentimes.com/news/73612...metadata-email
Snowden gives you some more information on �haystacks� here (skip to minute 6:00)
Edward Snowden: 'If I end up in chains in Guant�namo I can live with that' - video interview | World news | theguardian.com
The tragedy about Americans is really, that they totally lost checks & balances AND the ability to arrange reasonable compromises.
It was okay to reform agencies and install these surveillance programs even without 9/11, but the targets should be organized crime syndicates, heavily corrupted politicians etc. etc. � and not an averaged Joe who is running a Tor node somewhere in any constitutional democratic country .
I mean, Snowden is not totally wrong here, so why the heck should he be put into prison and not James Clapper, who lied to congress under oath and is responsible for unconstitutional surveillance?
Darrell Issa: James Clapper lied to Congress about NSA and should be fired - The Washington Post
Republicans call for halt to “unconstitutional surveillance programs” | Ars Technica
Doesn�t look like a compromise to me�looks more like Haggis for breakfast.TheScionicMan likes this.07-18-14 05:14 PMLike 1 - And you're an expert on the American justice system? Probably just as much of an expert regarding giving or selling secrets while serving in the military. Whether she was right or wrong, it is a violation of military law. U.S. Military Law governs the actions of all U.S. military personnel. What would the Canadian Army do in the same circumstance? I'd wager that they would do the same thing.acovey likes this.07-18-14 05:30 PMLike 1
- Chelsea ( Bradley) Manning got a for life sentence for exposing war crimes.... wow wonder why Snowden didn't stay in the states. I'm sure he expected a fair trial.
you think D1ck Cheney( Bush was his puppet) will get charged for falsely invading Iraq? Nope the system is backwards.
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Posted via CB10raino likes this.07-18-14 05:43 PMLike 1 -
It's hilarious to see Issa and other Republicans calling for an end to these surveillance programs, when some of them were the very ones who voted to approve them.07-18-14 05:56 PMLike 0 - 11 European allies *decided* not to grant asylum.
I would not burden the whole responsibility for the Russia-situation on the shoulders of a single individual, because the door for a compromise was open... it actually is still open.
Russia isn�t the best choice, but I don�t think that the Russian are interested in a further destabilization of our fragile partnership, they are obviosly surveilling him but that's it.
He seems to be quite safe there and is making careful moves in the public (doesn�t look brainwashed in the interviews).
It has never been revised since 1792, right?
Maybe because�because�because�hmm, it�s easier to re-interprete its meaning over centuries according to the current needs of a government?
By the way, my understanding is that the lawyers of Mr Snowden are negotiating the conditions of a trial in the US, so� again, to me this seems to be rather a problem of people, who are not willed to make compromises. I haven�t seen the secrecy agreement that Ed signed with Booz Allen, but he seems to be willed to accept a decision of 12 peers.
But in the end... one cannot argue successfully against constitutional rights (in public).07-18-14 07:47 PMLike 0 - Chelsea ( Bradley) Manning got a for life sentence for exposing war crimes.... wow wonder why Snowden didn't stay in the states. I'm sure he expected a fair trial.
you think D1ck Cheney( Bush was his puppet) will get charged for falsely invading Iraq? Nope the system is backwards.
Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.324707-18-14 07:58 PMLike 0 - Maybe, just maybe it was because to the best of their abilities, they're just as equally guilty of doing some, if not all of the things the US has been exposed to have been doing? Didn't a European government official (French, I think he was, although I could be wrong) say just as much in a radio interview? Food for thought.
Also, I'm not sure what the re-interpretation of it has to do with anything. It's been examined in cases over and over; see, for example Katz v. United States, and a recent, personal favorite, United States v. Jones.
By the way, my understanding is that the lawyers of Mr Snowden are negotiating the conditions of a trial in the US, so… again, to me this seems to be rather a problem of people, who are not willed to make compromises. I haven’t seen the secrecy agreement that Ed signed with Booz Allen, but he seems to be willed to accept a decision of 12 peers.07-18-14 09:31 PMLike 0 -
Putin is a former KGB hardliner! Those leopards DO NOT change their spots! When he was stationed in the former East Germany as it was crumbling, a crowd gathered in front of the local Stasi (secret police) office demanding records on what happened to their vanished loved ones. Putin faced the crowd down by himself it is said. Such a man is a true believer and an idealogue.
Snowden is now a pawn for website traffic, Pulitzer prizes, newspaper circulation, television ratings, book sales ,political embarrassment for Russia to use against the US and any intelligence they can squeeze from him. He is being used by many.
There are scores, if not hundreds or thousands in almost every nation doing for their countries exactly what he formerly did. To pretend otherwise is to be naive or foolish. Let's hope when they are done with him he will at least still have his miserable life. All else will have long been lost, taken away or squandered.Last edited by LoneStarRed; 07-19-14 at 12:12 AM.
07-18-14 10:34 PMLike 0 - With all the information Snowden absconded with, he is not unlike a gazelle which must tread carefully while crossing a lion infested plain. One false move on his part and he will be devoured.07-19-14 12:37 AMLike 0
- After watching the video. I have to ask. When we going to get some Connect to SpiderOak up in this BB10 party!
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