[darkthunder#CB]

This is one seriously asinine proposition and I question the intellect of anyone
who supports it.

While we are testing the unemployed and those on welfare (many of which truly need
it. I know, it's part of my job to know) why don't we test everyone receiving
Social Security, Disability Benefits, Veterans Benefits and every damn other
governmental benefit.

Funny how the "Tea Party" idiots and the "my country" morons support things
like this while maintaining that all they want is their Constitutionally guaranteed
freedoms and in the same breath want to impose their own restrictions on
others.

Political ideologues **** me off almost as much as religious fanatics. Both are
almost equally vapid, vacuous and hypocritical. This thread proves my point
in spades.

Oh and to address this post specifically. Your Wrong when you assumed they do not test Veterans, in fact they are required to have random drug tests for their free health care through the Va. This is a REQUIREMENT. If this brave soul that fought for his country fails his drug test he is told to come back in 1 month and try again. And just like with the Va, you have to pass a drug screen to be eligible for GI benefits, how do i Know you might ask yourself, well i was in the Marine Corp. I know because i was applying for GI benefits. And i have an uncle that is on disability, and you can be randomly screened for drugs before you get put on disability (he was). So basically all your "facts" are complete Bs that you made up in your liberal mind. Why should the poor get treated differently. Its not my fault you cant pay your bills, Social security is easy, how many people are on social security? And what will we do with all the baby boomers, and not to mention these people have earned their benefits (unlike people on welfare). They have been paying into SS their entire lives, I believe they should demand return on their investment.


For Point #2 Look Down here Liberal.

Ok so you attack the Tea parties, which i could careless i have never been to a "tea party". But with your attitude and hatred for your fellow country men, I think your a real "tea bag-er". But on to more pressing issues, shall we?

You see you and I are not all to different, we both believe in what we preach, I can tell though just from reading what you write, you believe you know whats best, who are you to tell me whats best for myself? Its the classic error in liberalism, you cant go focus on the collective KIDO, you have to focus on the individual. The individuals right to bear arms, the individuals right to the pursuit of happiness. The government does not give you this right, your creator does. And if you are not religious, who cares the fact remains, what man has the right to have power over you, he does not. What man has the right to tell you you have to buy this, you have to do this. Excuse me, No Sir, I do NOT. I can see you also misunderstand the Constitution of this great country (you were probably sniffing pixie sticks off your desk like most of the morons i went to high school with right?). This Constitution does not grant rights to the people, it reaffirms the rights you have so everyone will know and the government cant impede on you. however the Constitution does give the government certain rights that they cant over reach. When you go read it, please let me know where it say anyone is entitled to welfare, or health care, or any other useless government program designed to rob the rich to feed for the poor. This country hasnt always been like this. It started in the 40's... but you wouldnt know about that would you? If you like do some research, do trust what i tell, but you in your research look up the Socialist and communist countries around the world (in the past), and see how they are doing nowadays, ask yourself how that happened. Liberalism is a disease that spreads through the colleges and the youth of our nation, sadly you have been infected. OFF TO THE CHEMICAL SHED WITH YOU, imo.....

[darkthunder#CB]

Interesting, the fact is that the majority of people on welfare are NOT miniorities, perhpas you should do alittle research you may be surprised. Also, minorities do not have highest drug abuse rates. You are reporting what the media and the powers that be want you know, which differs from actual fact.

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You Sir, Are wrong.

Please post some info to back it up?

PROOF OR GTFO???

Minorities do have the highest drug abuse rates.
Minorities do have the highest pregnancy rates.
Minorities do have the highest jobless rates.
Minorities do have the highest concentration of drugs in their neighborhoods.
Minorities do make up the majority of people on welfare and unemployment.


This is a FACT. none disputable.
If this is not true where you live, then maybe you dont have as many minorities where your at.
But when you look at the country as a whole, you would have to be handicap to argue with the FACTS I presented to you above.

How can you even argue this known fact. You serious, trying to defend this, like im lying. How old are you, like 13, perhaps its you that should not believe what you are told. Where are these facts though.. you said you had facts.. all i see is you attacking me for a different perspective on the situation at hand... oh, was it the liberal comment? lol

Libertarian 4 Life

[tennislvr8]

You Sir, Are wrong.

Please post some info to back it up?

PROOF OR GTFO???

Minorities do have the highest drug abuse rates.
Minorities do have the highest pregnancy rates.
Minorities do have the highest jobless rates.
Minorities do have the highest concentration of drugs in their neighborhoods.

How can you even argue this known fact. You serious, trying to defend this, like im lying. How old are you, like 13, perhaps its you that should not believe what you are told. Where are these facts though.. you said you had facts.. all i see is you attacking me for a different perspective on the situation at hand... oh, was it the liberal comment? lol

Libertarian 4 Life

Attack you I did not, now the facts you listed above are not the facts I questioned. My point is this. Percentages and actual number of people are two different things. It is reported miniorities have higher percentages in all the areas you mentioned above. However, when you look at the actual number of people, specifically welfare - which is what we were talking about, there are more non miniorities than miniorities receiving benefits.

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[KillYouWithMyMind]

Holy ****.

I'm with sandman on this issue.

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[amazinglygraceless]

You Got to be kidding me, so if you feel the number of people that abuse the system is slow why do you care? Your acting all butthurt like what people are saying is wrong. I think it makes since, IF YOU CANT PEE CLEAN, THAN NO FREE MONEY FOR YOU. How is this outrageous. And Im sorry you work for the government... what a horrible job. Your opinion on the people you serve means nothing to me, the majority of people on welfare are minorities, and sorry to say that minorities have the highest drug abuse rates. Not to mention, have you ever been to the places where these people you work for live? Yea there arent drugs there.. thats just crazy talk. Now Im not saying everyone is doing drugs, or sells them, or is a bad person. but if you look at statistics your own facts your trying to state wont back you up. Go crawl in a closet and cry, Liberal trash.

Four things:

1) It is very hard to accept an intellectual argument from anyone whose
grammar, spelling and usage is as bad as yours. See red highlights.

2) I love my job because we are one of the few governmental agencies
that actually provide help to people who really need it. There is no need to
feel sorry for me. You really should feel sorry for yourself.

3) Your comments about minorities demonstrates my belief that most of
the BS surrounding welfare is simply xenophobic racists who need someone
to blame for what they believe is wrong.

4) Liberal trash? Were you in the voting booth with me when I voted for
Reagan, twice. Jodi Rell (Republican Governor of CT) or for any other of my
votes. No you were not, so you and your weak attempt to paint me with
the brush of your choice can kiss my ...

[_StephenBB81]

I started this post with WAY too many quotes so I am going to post my General Opinions

I agree with Drug testing:
This statement will get people up in arms, NOW I also agree with AG, it should be administered to anyone on social assistance. NOW, I think that if the test is passed, there should be no Fee to the person who passed the test, as many on social assistance need every penny, IF the test is failed, they then must pay for the test and submit to a second test within a designated period of time, same rules apply if they then pass that test they do not pay for it, if they fail, they are to be appointed government assisted Drug rehab, as they clearly can’t stop, failure to attend rehab would result in a loss of benefits.

The System gets abused, very much so in Ontario, where I am from, but many people do need it, and many people that need it want to be off it, unfortunately you have some who need it, and want it and you have people who believe in the system as it stands and don’t want it changed, Welfare has had many proposals for reform, they always get beaten down, we had a workfare proposal that able bodied Welfare recipients would do government sponsored work for that welfare they received,

As for what happened to the days you work for what you have, those days have been gone for 100’s or years, if not 1000’s as a people we have been about hierarchy systems meaning people work hard to get for those who work differently and potentially less hard, who again give to those like monarchy, with today’s socialist / capitalistic ideology it has shifted to those WITH means support those who don’t have the means to support themselves, we just have no idea how to do it without becoming a true communist society, which can’t function in today’s world of specialized trades.

[christopherp]

Testing people on welfare and kicking them off will not solve the problem, sadly all it will do is create more problems.

They don't need to be necessarily 'kicked off'...just 'cleaned up'.
There is a lot of truth to the belief that any government that wishes to control it's population will put as much of that population as it can in a state of dependence on the government...pay your own way, live beholden to none and help out locally as you can...makes way more sense than letting the government tell me what's best for them to spend my money on.

[xxtrrublexx]

hmm what happened to the days when you worked for what you have? i guess that was just thrown out the window. if you can't/won't contribute to this society then you are one of the weaker links that has no reason to be on this earth.

Well a lot of people who receive certain types of benefits DO work. I know a lot of people who work yet struggle to put food on the table. Food Supplement programs(Aka Food Stamps) are the type of benefits that a lot of honest people do use. Sure, there are people out there who cheat the system, lie about their income, and eventually they do get caught.

Someone mentioned WIC, my sister received WIC when she was pregnant and continued to receive it up until she moved out of state. Those types of programs are so important and the number of people abusing them are very low.

There will always be people who abuse the system.

[cwhitney24]

I say test all of the people living off of the system. I work for a buy here pay here car lot in alabama. I see so many people everyday come in to buy cars that live off of section 8, food stamps, child support, welfare, and SSI/Disability. Most of these people are between the ages of 19 and 35 and are completely capable of working but are to lazy to do anything. I say drug test those that live off of the system. If they fail then take it all away and then see how they act.

[xxtrrublexx]

I say test all of the people living off of the system. I work for a buy here pay here car lot in alabama. I see so many people everyday come in to buy cars that live off of section 8, food stamps, child support, welfare, and SSI/Disability. Most of these people are between the ages of 19 and 35 and are completely capable of working but are to lazy to do anything. I say drug test those that live off of the system. If they fail then take it all away and then see how they act.

In regards to what I bolded,

Social security diablity is for disabled people. The majority of these people cannot work. Yes, there are people who probably are capable but I bet the number is small. Also, from what I remember as my mother collect SSDI due to her MS, if these people were to work, they can only work 20 hours a week or something along those lines. Working a part time job doesn't always pay the bills.