- Well since Apple is known for keeping software updates around for years longer than any Android device, logic would dictate that iOS devices (especially older ones also) would be more “secure.”11-26-17 03:59 PMLike 0
- The average person probably has a vague idea that companies like Google and Facebook collect data.
The average person has absolutely no idea how many third party companies with names they've never heard of (and names that seem to change often) collect data from many the apps they use, as well.
The average person also has absolutely no idea what data is collected, exactly how it is collected, how much of it is collected, and how often it is collected.
I've never heard of the companies talked about in this article, nor was I aware of their tracking methods: https://theintercept.com/2017/11/24/...-android-apps/
Also, it is fallacious and dangerous to assume that because something is popular it must be inherently good and safe. One example that comes to mind is that Adolph Hitler rose to power through popular elections.
I think both iOS and Android are bad for the tracking but in the end we have to choose the lesser of greater evils.
But either way, we know that nothing is 100% secure or perfect.11-26-17 04:07 PMLike 0 - Yes this is true if one is ONLY getting bad updates from say...... not sticking to downloading from the official Google Playstore, but the problem is the keylogger and nasty apps are right in the Google playstore, just like that fake Whatsapp that over 1 million Android users fell for.
So this makes “Common sense” a non issue.11-26-17 04:55 PMLike 0 -
http://amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2017/...ke-google-play11-26-17 04:58 PMLike 0 - Also, it is fallacious and dangerous to assume that because something is popular it must be inherently good and safe. One example that comes to mind is that Adolph Hitler rose to power through popular elections.RaybanRJ likes this.11-26-17 05:14 PMLike 1
- Here's an interesting story on the research into tracking: https://boingboing.net/2017/11/25/la...-hear-you.html . Apparently, the researchers are able to code an app that reveals tracking activity on an Android phone, but cannot replicate the research on iOS because they are legally barred from doing so.
So on the tracking front, it seems that we may not have any comparative data.11-26-17 05:27 PMLike 0 - The average person probably has a vague idea that companies like Google and Facebook collect data.
The average person has absolutely no idea how many third party companies with names they've never heard of (and names that seem to change often) collect data from many the apps they use, as well.
The average person also has absolutely no idea what data is collected, exactly how it is collected, how much of it is collected, and how often it is collected.
I've never heard of the companies talked about in this article, nor was I aware of their tracking methods: https://theintercept.com/2017/11/24/...-android-apps/
Also, it is fallacious and dangerous to assume that because something is popular it must be inherently good and safe. One example that comes to mind is that Adolph Hitler rose to power through popular elections.
There is far more tracking of you done outside your phone as soon as wake up every morning. Your phone is the lesser of your concerns..11-26-17 06:25 PMLike 0 - Did Godwin's Law just strike this thread for the first time after 6879 Nazi-free posts? :O
I didn't engage in reducto ad Hitlerum or hyperbole, so I'm not sure this qualifies.anon(8063781) likes this.11-26-17 07:19 PMLike 1 - Now we have Donald Trump as President. Look at the Philippines or Germany now and decide whether or not you can be part of the solution. My point is that far more issues are more possible to cause some of the outcomes you suggest.
There is far more tracking of you done outside your phone as soon as wake up every morning. Your phone is the lesser of your concerns..
I feel privacy is a fundamental human right that, if infringed, has dire implications for personal liberty. And the potential for the infringement of that right by corporations, governments, and "bad guys" has never been greater in human history.11-26-17 07:27 PMLike 0 - If you think there are far more important issues, that's great. Focus on the issues you feel you need to focus on.
I feel privacy is a fundamental human right that, if infringed, has dire implications for personal liberty. And the potential for the infringement of that right by corporations, governments, and "bad guys" has never been greater in human history.11-26-17 08:18 PMLike 0 - One thing that seems indisputable: Apple built their modern revenue model on selling iPhones, not the data of their customers. The Goog's revenues flow from precisely the opposite: Develop a clunky-but-free OS; designed from the start, deep down at its nefarious and corrupt core, to pilfer user data. "Profit!"
Good business idea -- but not exactly inspiring of trust.11-26-17 08:21 PMLike 0 -
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Another of the articles feeding my growing notion of a "backlash." What goes up must come down. What goes up ridiculously fast is on borrowed time.11-26-17 08:28 PMLike 0 - One thing that seems indisputable: Apple built their modern revenue model on selling iPhones, not the data of their customers. The Goog's revenues flow from precisely the opposite: Develop a clunky-but-free OS; designed from the start, deep down at its nefarious and corrupt core, to pilfer user data. "Profit!"
Good business idea -- but not exactly inspiring of trust.
Not entirely inspiring of trust but still more private than Android perhaps.
Buy American David if they all get our data it may as well be home grown11-26-17 08:46 PMLike 0 - I think you misunderstood me: I meant the _Google_ business model isn't (imo) "inspiring of trust." As Shuswap correctly notes, I -- and nearly everyone else -- don't have hard data to go on, but it's certainly true that Apple wants to sell you a phone, whereas The Goog wants to sell _you_.11-26-17 08:55 PMLike 0
- I think you misunderstood me: I meant the _Google_ business model isn't (imo) "inspiring of trust." As Shuswap correctly notes, I -- and nearly everyone else -- don't have hard data to go on, but it's certainly true that Apple wants to sell you a phone, whereas The Goog wants to sell _you_.11-26-17 08:57 PMLike 0
- Ponder what your phone "knows" about you... lol. Your messaging, browsing, purchasing, travel, ... posting.... your contact lists, Gmail, cloud everything... calendar... TWO cameras, microphone, and even GPS coordinates... !!! And mostly NO ability to pull the battery and shut it down, in most designs!! Trusting big Corp Goog is one thing... how long before Googleverse gets compromised? If not already?? Imagine how efficiently Stalin's purges might have been conducted with access to Google's mountain of data!! Lol...
Of course the "foil hat" jokes will now commence.. haha... they'll argue that the data will actually save lives by more precisely identifying the "unbelievers" thru their habit profiles... lol. But we can at least find solace in how "cheap" that $200 handset was while in route to re-education camp... lol. Ok... where does one find real TIN foil these days??? Haha...RaybanRJ and anon(10321802) like this.11-26-17 09:45 PMLike 2 - But you (idssteve) are a KEYone user, even if only on dual-carry. I don't really get the fear culture that is rumbling away here, life is full of what-ifs? I accept that using technology puts me at some risk, but I'll try and do my best to make informed decisions to minimise/mitigate those risks.
If you trust banks with your money, why not trust Google (or some other select corporate monster) with your data?11-27-17 07:28 AMLike 0 - But you (idssteve) are a KEYone user, even if only on dual-carry. I don't really get the fear culture that is rumbling away here, life is full of what-ifs? I accept that using technology puts me at some risk, but I'll try and do my best to make informed decisions to minimise/mitigate those risks.
If you trust banks with your money, why not trust Google (or some other select corporate monster) with your data?
Life itself demands risk management. With each breath, actually. I, myself, do not advocate fear. I advocate acknowledgment of risk factors and intelligent mitigation. Hard to mitigate something without acknowledging it first. Lol.
Once again, humanity finds itself steep into a learning curve of knowledge generated by knowledge itself! Haha... no need for "fear". No need for blinders, either.mushroom_daddy likes this.11-27-17 08:20 AMLike 1 -
I have my Android phone locked down as well as I can -- I don't even let Google Play Services have any permissions; as far as I can tell, the device is working working fine without them (of course, I don't use Google apps, and I don't use many apps, period... the apps I have gotten from Google play are _paid_ apps, and I inspect the privacy agreements pretty thoroughly. If I don't like what I see, I don't buy the app). I use gmail solely as a "junk" email address, something to fill in on forms or an address to give relatives.11-27-17 08:47 AMLike 0 - I _don't_ trust Google with my data.
I have my Android phone locked down as well as I can -- I don't even let Google Play Services have any permissions; as far as I can tell, the device is working working fine without them (of course, I don't use Google apps, and I don't use many apps, period... the apps I have gotten from Google play are _paid_ apps, and I inspect the privacy agreements pretty thoroughly. If I don't like what I see, I don't buy the app). I use gmail solely as a "junk" email address, something to fill in on forms or an address to give relatives.
Denying Google doesn't remove me from the bigger players, does it?11-27-17 09:00 AMLike 0 - I _don't_ trust Google with my data.
I have my Android phone locked down as well as I can -- I don't even let Google Play Services have any permissions; as far as I can tell, the device is working working fine without them (of course, I don't use Google apps, and I don't use many apps, period... the apps I have gotten from Google play are _paid_ apps, and I inspect the privacy agreements pretty thoroughly. If I don't like what I see, I don't buy the app). I use gmail solely as a "junk" email address, something to fill in on forms or an address to give relatives.
I mean if Google is going to take you down, 85% of the world's smartphone users would be joining you.
And frankly, despite all your efforts and tinkering, Google would still have a solid file on you anyway.
To me, the real security threats are the smaller institutions that don't spend enough money to secure their systems. Small financial institutions, credit rating agencies, cloud storage services, etc etc.Last edited by conite; 11-27-17 at 09:25 AM.
11-27-17 09:01 AMLike 0 -
If an evolved BlackBerry 10 ever miraculously comes back to life somewhere in a line of phones for privacy nerds, OR if Apple ever comes out with a device with a removeable battery, a removeable SIM card, and an SD slot, this V20 will never see the light of day again. Until then, it (the Android) suits my needs fine without Google Play Services' snooping.11-27-17 09:17 AMLike 0 -
As far as the credit reporting companies, I locked down my credit years ago, as soon as it became legal. The thieving wretches at Experian did us all the favor of proving me right...11-27-17 09:28 AMLike 0 -
It is what can happen between the bank and your app if someone can get your information that can be compromised and I see no logic on using a type of budget device that makes its”easier” for cyber criminals to get the info they want.
Not too long ago they were warning people standing at the debit machines that criminals have scanning machines and all they have to do is stand near you and they can clean your bank account out (or whatever the limit is on your card at that time). So there are many things people SHOULD be aware of and I don’t think it should be swept under the mat or shrugged off.
People should be at least a little concerned about these things otherwise I guess they don’t care about much.
How valuable is your money to you.11-27-17 09:40 AMLike 0
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