1. grover5's Avatar
    If the Moto Xoom had given these memory errors in the review people would have laughed their arses off at it...

    Why all the excuses/justifications?

    Everytime there's a negative with a RIM device, it seems like a whole horde of people flock to the thread to state they actually prefer it that way...
    Why are so obsessed with slamming it? I think we all know you think it sucks at this point. Was there another point you wanted to make?
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    04-14-11 07:18 PM
  2. andyahs's Avatar
    If the Moto Xoom had given these memory errors in the review people would have laughed their arses off at it...

    Why all the excuses/justifications?

    Everytime there's a negative with a RIM device, it seems like a whole horde of people flock to the thread to state they actually prefer it that way...
    You do know this is a forum dedicated to Blackberry and RIM right?
    04-14-11 07:19 PM
  3. Najo's Avatar
    Under what circumstances would you EVER do that? No one would, ever. .
    Maybe not that exact scenario, but I could certainly see running a presentation while looking at notes, referencing documents, or playing a game while everyone else watches the presentation!
    04-14-11 07:23 PM
  4. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    You do know this is a forum dedicated to Blackberry and RIM right?
    Yes, and I assume you know what a rhetorical question is :P

    That post was a pretty standard format...

    Obvious Point + Rhetorical Question + Observation

    Dunno what D_march's problem is. Nothing in that post said "I hate the Playbook." Take a chill pill, buddy.

    @ Najo: You can annotate documents and presentation, why would you be referencing documents while giving a presentation (supposed to do that beforehand, and cite your references), and who would play a game while giving a presentation... Seriously?

    Also, media can be embedded in presentations as well, so there's no need to "multitask" that for a presentation in the manner some people are suggesting.
    Last edited by N8ter; 04-14-11 at 07:39 PM.
    04-14-11 07:35 PM
  5. grover5's Avatar
    Yes, and I assume you know what a rhetorical question is :P

    That post was a pretty standard format...

    Obvious Point + Rhetorical Question + Observation

    Dunno what D_march's problem is. Nothing in that post said "I hate the Playbook." Take a chill pill, buddy.

    @ Najo: You can annotate documents and presentation, why would you be referencing documents while giving a presentation (supposed to do that beforehand, and cite your references), and who would play a game while giving a presentation... Seriously?

    Also, media can be embedded in presentations as well, so there's no need to "multitask" that for a presentation in the manner some people are suggesting.
    I'm pretty calm over here slugger.
    04-14-11 07:42 PM
  6. Najo's Avatar
    @ Najo: You can annotate documents and presentation, why would you be referencing documents while giving a presentation (supposed to do that beforehand, and cite your references), and who would play a game while giving a presentation... Seriously?
    LOL, you have obviously never had to hold compliance briefings based on 100+ page nuclear regulatory documents, try remembering everything. If you had to give the same presentation to several groups over several weeks, you may look for something else to do as well.

    Also, media can be embedded in presentations as well, so there's no need to "multitask" that for a presentation in the manner some people are suggesting.
    NO WAAAAYYYYY YOU CAN DO THAT!
    04-14-11 07:49 PM
  7. missing_K-W's Avatar
    Under what circumstances would you EVER do that? No one would, ever.

    True Multi-tasking has been a catch phrase without merit unfortunately because it doesnt have any real advantages other than running the app constantly, which in many cases equals mega battery drain if people arent actively aware of the application, how much said app is talking to a server, or how intensive an app is(the current BB platform suffers from this with poorly coded apps, you can stroll through every subforum on CB and find examples of this).

    iOS has multiple ways of handling "multi-tasking", most of which are fast app switching, or pausing as you put it. Tasks can still finish while you move away from the app, but once said task is finished the app enters its saved state and stays there until switched back to it, or gets purged by the OS if too many apps are open and the app hasnt been used in some time (android does this as well).

    Its completely seamless for the average joe, happens behinds the scenes and the device never gets bogged down. Users still can kill apps if they see fit. All the while the user never gets hit with low memory messages.

    While the Playbooks multitasking capabilities are certainly there and unquestionably the most powerful of any mobile platform bar WebOS, but its implementation is not ideal and the onus of memory management falls to the user, which is not how it should be. I can see lots of user frustration in the future when opening a new app or tab calls for having to close something else.

    RIM needs to lower its OS footprint or they should have baked another gig of RAM in there.
    This is a V 1.0 device...and with that "True multi-tasking" is not a catch phrase at all..true multi-tasking allows an incredible X-Factor to the potential of apps that can be created on the device...

    Remember QNX supports distributed multi-processing....amongst other capabilities that will allow some very sophisticated software to function on the PB...certain things we can't comprehend at the moment...(This requires a pure multi-tasking environment)

    Look at the nature of programs and environments the superior nature of the OS allows . One only has to look at the history of QNX software deployment through it's history to comprehend the immanent software to evolve in the future...

    There is some utterly amazing sofware floating around that can only operate on QNX...Windows,OSX/ios and Android dares not charter the the territory QNX has been reverred for by the brightest in the computer sciences world( those that move entire civilization forward)

    On a relative scale...QNX on PB is V 1.0 of a new platform launch...when we hold ios, android and windows V1.0 under a relative microscope for initial offerings....QNX is in a league of it's own...

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-14-11 08:01 PM
  8. howarmat's Avatar
    LOL, you have obviously never had to hold compliance briefings based on 100+ page nuclear regulatory documents, try remembering everything. If you had to give the same presentation to several groups over several weeks, you may look for something else to do as well.



    NO WAAAAYYYYY YOU CAN DO THAT!
    you also would never want to really do that with a tablet, that would really be best suited for a laptop
    04-14-11 08:03 PM
  9. sleepngbear's Avatar
    Damn, this whole forum has become almost amusing. What a f***ing circus.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-14-11 08:04 PM
  10. drethos's Avatar
    Under what circumstances would you EVER do that? No one would, ever.
    porn and video games? I mean that's the only thing i could think of , but you maybe more distracted by one then the other. hmmmmm
    04-14-11 08:06 PM
  11. Atomizer's Avatar
    Nothing has changed folks. Stupidity always prevails. When you leave a multitude of applications running, your battery will drain quickly.

    Just ask Mr. Parker who plugged in his Leg Lamp award and blew a fuse.

    Begin at 2.25m

    A Christmas Story: The Sexy Leg Lamp Et Cetera: Publick and Privat Curiosities
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    04-14-11 08:10 PM
  12. missing_K-W's Avatar
    Back on topic....

    We should remember that unlike the competiton(monolithic os)....QNX runs atop a micro-kernel and memory resources are in their own space

    Monolithic memory issues= reenginering the entire architecture of given os

    Micro-kernel memory issues= optimizing memory in it's own user space seperate from OS...plug in..analyze...optimize

    What would take months to correct on a monolithic os ....simply takes days or a matter of hours on PB

    We've heard before...belive it or not QNX supports rapid development!

    Guess what....our first CB nation experience and lesson on QNX rapid development!

    With the above mentioned...this is why QNX push's out updates as rapidly as it does!

    This platform will be optimized at the speed of light...expect the platform to do the same!

    I hope in some way this post was useful as a practical example of QNX " RAPID DEVELOPMENT "

    Edit-I'm gonna be blunt...ios and android performance and capabilities will in short order plateau...
    In that time QNX will just be getting it's engine broke in on the Blackberry platform....LOOK OUT

    I must admit...a post of this nature stops trolls dead in their tracks...REALITY CHECK!
    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Last edited by missing_K-W; 04-14-11 at 08:37 PM.
    04-14-11 08:20 PM
  13. snuci's Avatar
    I'm surprised someone didn't mention this. Since mutlitasking can be turned off (or toggling on the ability to suspend apps as shown in one of those settings screens) if one turned it off, you might be able to run a lot more apps perhaps?

    I don't have one to try this out but I'd bet you could run those same apps and more. If someone has one, perhaps a good test would be to:

    1. With full multitasking, run as many apps as you can until you get the memory warning.
    2. Turn off full multitasking, run those same apps and try to run more.
    04-14-11 08:29 PM
  14. howarmat's Avatar
    i think kevin mentioned he did have the full multitasking turned off and had the error.

    it should be noted that I did have background apps set to Pause when not active - so it wasn't like the demos where there's videos and youtube movies all playing at once
    Last edited by howarmat; 04-14-11 at 08:59 PM.
    04-14-11 08:54 PM
  15. missing_K-W's Avatar
    i think kevin mentioned he did have the full multitasking turned off and had the error.
    I'm curious to know if QNX will report bugs/system errors back to HQ as a log such as Windows does on the desktop...would be great to aid in patches....I should look into that....

    Would be a great suggestion for the suggestion box

    We(calling somebody.....ANYBODY!!!!lol) should look into that!
    04-14-11 09:01 PM
  16. Najo's Avatar
    you also would never want to really do that with a tablet, that would really be best suited for a laptop
    Maybe, but if it works as well as some of the demo's I would rather carry this around to do it than a laptop, especially on road trips.
    04-14-11 09:05 PM
  17. animalsrush's Avatar
    Not sure why people are so worried that a tablet can't run 6 apps. Who really does that . Even now with my laptop i have atmost 3 and never seem to need more that even when i am coding .. I am kind of surprised that Kevin from crackberry stuck on that issue.. Really that was the drawback of plabook. Cmon' be practical ..
    04-14-11 09:13 PM
  18. mustangv8's Avatar
    I find it silly to show such a popup on a professional-grade tablet.
    To me, it would be better if unused apps were silently removed off the RAM and however, the app thumbnail stayed in the task manager, instead of showing random warnings like those.

    I hope they remove that message by time final OS is released to the public on 19th.

    OS itself takes up 650MB of RAM? WAHHHHH!!! SERIOUSLY?
    Ha,y pos storm says memory low all the time and deletes all my important saved calendar events. Even though I only have 2 apps and a ton of free space left. POS BB and their memory problems.
    04-14-11 09:30 PM
  19. sandmanfvr's Avatar
    I read anandtechs review and really they are just saying wait. So bridge apps take more memory? Damn this is sad. I can't believe all the ram the os is taking.
    04-14-11 09:49 PM
  20. jgodin03's Avatar
    I prefere a lot a low memory warning than a freezing device.

    A playbook freezing or lagging in a professional presentation is very UNprofessional, unlike a discret low memory warning

    PS about the 30+apps multitasking on the iPad/iPhone, remember that iOS dont truly multitask, it just ''take a pic'' of the actual aspect of the app, close the app, then resume it and retore to the point you were. In any case this is TRUE multitasking
    04-15-11 01:08 PM
  21. MisterMe11's Avatar
    So how does the Mac handle this? I'm a PC user and have habit of loading a billion windows in different applications. I think the PC handles this by going to page files on the HDD and gradually bogging down to the point where I get annoyed, and start shutting things down or rebooting. Is this what the Mac does?
    Not very practical on a tablet, right? (caching to the flash memory, unless it were a full SSD?). What would be a nice user-friendly intutive way of guiding user behavior so that they don't overwhelm the finite amount of DRAM? This is what RIM needs to address IMO.
    04-15-11 01:18 PM
  22. pmccartney's Avatar
    I'm not concerned that there will be a low memory warning if it's warranted.
    I wouldn't worry too much about the OS/native apps taking up (what appears to be) ~489MB. If we treat this tablet the same way that so many of us tinker with our BB's then we may have it shrunk down to a couple hundred MB before you know it. IDK
    Time will tell.
    04-15-11 01:41 PM
  23. gbsn's Avatar
    So how does the Mac handle this? I'm a PC user and have habit of loading a billion windows in different applications. I think the PC handles this by going to page files on the HDD and gradually bogging down to the point where I get annoyed, and start shutting things down or rebooting. Is this what the Mac does?
    Not very practical on a tablet, right? (caching to the flash memory, unless it were a full SSD?). What would be a nice user-friendly intutive way of guiding user behavior so that they don't overwhelm the finite amount of DRAM? This is what RIM needs to address IMO.
    Actually, the tablet caching to its own flash memory will be a whole lot faster than a computer caching to an hdd. SSDs are NAND flash, just like almost all flash memory on the market, which the playbook has. So, if the playbook were to "page" inactive parts of the memory, there wouldn't be that much of a performance impact.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-15-11 02:03 PM
  24. Deathcommand's Avatar
    It didn't come out yet. -__-
    04-15-11 02:28 PM
  25. JRSCCivic98's Avatar
    I prefere a lot a low memory warning than a freezing device.

    A playbook freezing or lagging in a professional presentation is very UNprofessional, unlike a discret low memory warning

    PS about the 30+apps multitasking on the iPad/iPhone, remember that iOS dont truly multitask, it just ''take a pic'' of the actual aspect of the app, close the app, then resume it and retore to the point you were. In any case this is TRUE multitasking
    Takes a pic huh? Your understanding of the multitasking of iOS is amazing. lol The apps don't close homey... if they did, pushed updates and other functionality of those apps wouldn't work while in the background. But of course, let's just overlook that fact.

    In the end, I don't think it really matters because the two major factors the PB was supposed to excel in will shift to the bottom of the list.

    Flash = People have already said they'd probably turn it off to help browser speed when not needed.
    Active Multitasking = Has memory limitations.

    What's left?
    04-15-11 02:40 PM
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