Wistron assembled the Passport in Mexico mostly, but parts are normally sourced from Asia.
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Wistron assembled the Passport in Mexico mostly, but parts are normally sourced from Asia.
I appreciate the lecture, Professor, but Motorola made phones in America in 2014 that didn't cost $2000.
The Moto X launched in 2013 for $580.
The Korean-made Nexus 5 was a FAR better phone for $50 less, and the Samsung S4 mini was $90 less.
But I also think that mass production and automation has progressed exponentially over there since that time.
Those were phones ASSEMBLED in the US from foreign-made parts. Moto provided the design, but manufacturing of all major components was done in Asia. And the Motorola of that era was a big company with volume sales (10s of millions of units per year) and lots of resources, not a startup hoping to sell 50,000 phones. There's just a BIT of difference.
Yes, Professor, I understand that. Nobody has been arguing that every component of a USA-made phone would also be made here.
Quite a change from yelling “guard” !!!!!!
"old-guard" : those who generally advocate the use of newer, actively developed and supported products.
Who woulda thunk it?
Just an aside.
Agreed
But if the local job was just to assemble the pre-made pieces and box the device, that's not necessarily going to be the highest paid, highest value part of the chain. And it's not going to make any difference to whether the device is secure. So I don't understand the point of it. Final assembly (relatively low value work) is just probably going to be well below the compensation expectations of Americans.
The expensive pieces are the boards and the glass (and maybe the keyboard in this particular case). That's where the skilled, higher paying jobs are.
Illustrating your point was that when announcing the jobs, that low wages suspected and confirmed within linked article.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...ch-pay/278270/
We're trying to explain why making a phone in the US (including components) would be incredibly expensive if not impossible, and why even assembling it in the US from foreign parts would be very expensive, in particular from a low-volume manufacturer who would have to stand up an assembly plant and hire and train workers for what would be a small number of phones relative to the cost. A few folks have made it seem like this is unreasonable, but there are very real reasons why this is true.
In any case, OM has since clarified that this first phone (at least) won't be made/assembled in the US, so the point is moot. If an OM phone actually gets made, it's going to be made by Foxconn, likely in an Asian factory, and from Asian components, just like virtually every other smartphone on the planet.
I don't understand what people don't understand. He said "long-term goal". It is a long term goal to assemble in the USA with some American-made components. (Corning Gorilla Glass is already made in America.)
Nobody is saying the 2021 BlackBerry will be made in America.
Professor, again, nobody said the first phone would be made here. It's a long term goal. It wouldn't be a low volume manufacturer because it's literally Foxconn. If they're serious about manufacturing in the USA, they would bring other production lines here, not just the OM device.
It would be a very low volume product run to tool-up for though - using a lot of unique parts. Whether Foxconn, TCL, or Wistron, it will be expensive to make.
Again, we're not talking about the first device. And it will be expensive to make in Asia too.
So what are you talking about? I thought you were the one questioning why a North American made device would be so much more expensive than the same device made in one of the Asian factories.
No, I understand. I'm saying it's likely to never make sense.
BTW, by "glass", I didn't mean literally the glass, I mean the entire assembly (touchscreen, substrate, the screen). I'm not aware of any manufacturers for that sandwich outside of S.Korea, Taiwan, and China. Again, not because of cost, but because that capability only exists AFAIK in those 3 countries. That's a high value component in any phone.
I know. But I'm just jumping around following your different points.
I'm saying a long-term project backed by Foxconn to move some manufacturing back to America over the course of several years is not going to result in a $2000 phone like the Professor insists.
I’d lay odds that it would be closer in that direction based on current industry pricing especially when looking at Sonim for example. The manufacturing logistics in the USA is exponentially a cost plus issue. How was that former Nokia, former Motorola plant fairing in pre-COVID 19 times?
It depends on what you mean by "manufacturing", and it depends even more so on what volume you are assuming.
It could be $50k a phone, if the volume is low enough. It could be $500 if you assume that the workforce already exists and the scale is extremely high. Most of the costs will be fixed.
Where is Apple's M1 chip made? How did Silver Sparrow get in? How difficult would it be for a bad actor to infect chips regardless of where they're made? ??
TSMC makes the M1 I think. A Taiwan company.
https://www.cnet.com/news/biden-to-o...cal-resources/
Even Uncle Joe's administration is wising up to the problem of no domestic manufacturing.
Sure. But even if there was a will to do it starting tomorrow, it would take 10 years and many billions (trillions?) of dollars to ramp up infrastructure to anything near capable of doing what they're doing overseas.
And regardless of the level of automation, when labour is 10 times the amount, it is virtually impossible to be even remotely competitive.
This is essentially why the West has focussed on the knowledge economy instead of the production economy. But even that is being usurped by higher education in the developing countries.
Quite honestly, I think we're doomed to decline as we continue to double down on demanding our entitlements. It's also great to be caring and "fair', but it will inevitably cut us off at the knees.
And it's why the West has been losing to China for 20 years. While an emasculated Europe and feckless Canada might be okay with that, the USA isn't.