[idssteve]

Do the people at your company still use Bolds? Or are they using BB10 or KEYBerry's ?

Still quite a few Bolds. Classics & Ks well represented. Most dual carry an Android or iPhone for "app stuff". Precision critical mobile typing gets done on bolds & classics, I'd say 80-90%? Our client base reflects similarly.

[mrsimon]

6% of UK private consumers buy phones taking security into account.
Discuss.

[the_boon]

Still quite a few Bolds. Classics & Ks well represented. Most dual carry an Android or iPhone for "app stuff". Precision critical mobile typing gets done on bolds & classics, I'd say 80-90%? Our client base reflects similarly.

But do the ones that have a KEYBerry only single carry since they can have all the apps?

[Chuck Finley69]

6% of UK private consumers buy phones taking security into account.
Discuss.

What do they buy since obviously it’s not BlackBerry after how many years of failed sales?

[idssteve]

But do the ones that have a KEYBerry only single carry since they can have all the apps?

Some do sometimes. A couple maybe most times? None I'm aware of all times. If that's what you're asking. ?

Most of us are too fatigued by day's end to care about doing much beyond simple emergency responses during off hours. Fatigued states demand most diligence to precision, also. To that end, it's pretty common to single carry during off hours. Which device gets single carried during off hours depends on anticipated use.

Typically, I'm personally so burned out from "virtual" distraction, I'm seeking some "real" activity. Just to restore life's balance? Lol. That might include simply walking, walking the dog, mowing, working on home-car-motorcycle etc type of REAL stuff... To that end, I personally avail myself of the smallest, lightest, most pocket T friendly handset that does calls, emails, sms/mms, etc in one hand. I won't bore everyone by naming that model. Lol. Dog gets left hand tho. She's a real eager to please sweetheart and never tugs the leash. Single handing a K with precision is not something I anticipate fondly, tho. Lol.

That said, my LE is never far away! Either at desk or in vehicle if not on belt. I have rushed to go get LE a few times but at least the panicked client or coworker is in contact while LE is being retrieved. Even in its ancient stage of life, Agent99 still manages some rudimentary Opera Mini browsing, etc. We don't do critical communications over FB, etc.

All of that said, even I have single carried D60 "monster slab" a few times... When anticipating watching a video with grandkids in the car while waiting on wife & daughter return. They seem to get big kicks outa Gpa's laugh at some comic cartoons. Lol. Not since covid, tho.

I HAVE done my share of text production on that D60 but ALWAYS proofread twice! Editing the errors on it really isn't any less frustrating than LE. But, with respect to a previous post, there's NO excuse for EVER sending error ridden messages to personnel nor ANYone... Ever! Mistakes happen to us mortals but happen worse when you're careless! Imo. Fwiw.

Added on edit: if @mike_f_369's upper management is too rushed (or too lazy?) to compose, proof & edit precise messages, maybe they need different equipment? Maybe "consumer grade" isn't really adequately appropriate for their use case? Idk the details there but do know that "rushed precision" is part of our use case. Certain handset designs have proven best suited for that for us... . We're NOT looking forward to the day that design expires.

[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

What do they buy since obviously it’s not BlackBerry after how many years of failed sales?

How many did buy a BlackBerry based on some belief in security... only to find out their beliefs were miss placed and they ended up in jail thanks to BlackBerry? Either that BBM wasn't fully encrypted or that BlackBerry was more than willing to assist law enforcement.

Or they find out after two years that their holding a phone stuck on a three year old version of Android and no patches?

Today if you look around most security experts that recommend devices.... Google's own Pixels, Samsung KNOX devices (not all Samsung's have KNOX), iPhones and Sirin seem to be the main recommendations. My guess is because they are mostly ongoing concerns that offer long term support.... which is key to security and privacy. (Yes Android phones on the list... because you can disable most all the tracking.... if you choose to full give up on Google Services)

Now there are a number of niche players, of which I suspect Onward is hoping the BlackBerry name will keep them from being mix in with. Armadillo , Cipher, Secure Group, LOKD, Katim, Bittium, Impulse, Kryptall, Sky ECC... none of them offer what I'd call competitively priced products. Lesson here - there are cost in niche products, especially those offering higher levels of security.

I don't know what Onward's plans are - but appealing to the mass market or offering competitive pricing isn't very likely to be a concern.

[Chuck Finley69]

How many did buy a BlackBerry based on some belief in security... only to find out their beliefs were miss placed and they ended up in jail thanks to BlackBerry? Either that BBM wasn't fully encrypted or that BlackBerry was more than willing to assist law enforcement.

Or they find out after two years that their holding a phone stuck on a three year old version of Android and no patches?

Today if you look around most security experts that recommend devices.... Google's own Pixels, Samsung KNOX devices (not all Samsung's have KNOX), iPhones and Sirin seem to be the main recommendations. My guess is because they are mostly ongoing concerns that offer long term support.... which is key to security and privacy. (Yes Android phones on the list... because you can disable most all the tracking.... if you choose to full give up on Google Services)

Now there are a number of niche players, of which I suspect Onward is hoping the BlackBerry name will keep them from being mix in with. Armadillo , Cipher, Secure Group, LOKD, Katim, Bittium, Impulse, Kryptall, Sky ECC... none of them offer what I'd call competitively priced products. Lesson here - there are cost in niche products, especially those offering higher levels of security.

I don't know what Onward's plans are - but appealing to the mass market or offering competitive pricing isn't very likely to be a concern.

I started with Armadillo but couldn’t find any device specs.....

Cipher wasn’t any more revealing spec wise

OM - Danny Trejo reading the proposed ad copy in their YouTube social media ads......

“it’s running hardened Android, 10 guaranteed, 11 we can’t tell. Buy the OM ST or the OM SW for $999 and you’ll find out what’s inside..”

The ST for Star Trek version and SW for Star Wars version. Identical with different attached BlackBerry stickers......

[Chuck Finley69]

So the original press release is 2 months old and there's been nothing other than same press release and recycled infomercials from that press release since then.

Even Twitter feed doesn't seem to have any updated information, just recycling of the original infomercials as new tweets. If you're seriously implying that next BlackBerry licensed hardware is consumer focused via social media, as opposed to official website, shouldn't there be some minimal consumer leaks teasing something like we see from other actual consumer focused OEMs by now?

We've seen far more communications from Unitertz regarding Titan back in planning and pre-release stages. With TCL, at least company information was forthcoming about the behind the scenes BlackBerry Mobile and infrastructure.

Being serious, this is how BlackBerry Limited was during pre-introduction of it's delayed and failed BB10 endeavor until 2013 and then all the Z10 fireworks became three people holding sparklers for the Q10 at BlackBerry HQ in Waterloo or it might as well have been.

This feels more like the BB and BBMo relationship after the breakup happened and before it was announced.

Seems like the Enterprise days of 2002-2003 BlackBerry when consumers didn't know they were in the phone business or entering depending on region or locale.

[whatnow00]

With TCL, at least company information was forthcoming about the behind the scenes BlackBerry Mobile and infrastructure.

That's revisionist history. There was no new information TCL after MWC until Shenzhen Steve tweeted about avoiding "disappointing stock-outs". Then there was more regurgitation and sometimes just radio silence until phones started showing up May 31st and then there were disappointing stock-outs.

[Chuck Finley69]

That's revisionist history. There was no new information TCL after MWC until Shenzhen Steve tweeted about avoiding "disappointing stock-outs". Then there was more regurgitation and sometimes just radio silence until phones started showing up May 31st and then there were disappointing stock-outs.

First licensee was BBMP in roughly same time frame BB announced it had exited mobile hardware in September 2016 at end of month.

Second licensee, TCL, was hinted at then announced December 2016, middle of month along with generous information about TCL at time. Sixty days later, information was flowing.

Third licensee, BB Optiemus was announced February 2017 and this can all be found in BB press releases and licensees press releases at time. We had plenty of information flowing due to actual interviews with actual progressing information.

[conite]

That's revisionist history. There was no new information TCL after MWC until Shenzhen Steve tweeted about avoiding "disappointing stock-outs". Then there was more regurgitation and sometimes just radio silence until phones started showing up May 31st and then there were disappointing stock-outs.

TCL and BlackBerry announced the licensing deal on Dec 15 2016. They also explicitly stated how it worked and what it was about.

On Jan 5-9 2017, TCL teased the KEYᵒⁿᵉ at CES along with this video:



We are discussing the vacuum between announcing the business, and then getting the pertinent details out about said relationship, device, and strategy.

TCL was all done in 3 weeks.

[spARTacus]

So the chance of something adequately happening is going down? Or, they really worked out the details first in those other cases before announcing them, and in this case they are working out the details afterwards?

[Chuck Finley69]

So the chance of something adequately happening is going down? Or, they really worked out the details first in those other cases before announcing them, and in this case they are working out the details afterwards?

No, just this just doesn’t appear to be handled as well as the previous licensees with lots of unanswered questions.

[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

No, just this just doesn’t appear to be handled as well as the previous licensees with lots of unanswered questions.

Strang as the LINKEDIN profile for the company has someone going back 18 months, several others over a year.... with the rest almost six months ago. Think Peter was the most recent Onward "employee".... which is why I think he is more a mouth piece than a decision maker.

This isn't just a group that got together a month ago, they have been working on this long enough that they should have porotype and a plan in place. I'd assume they have already spoken with retailers and carriers at this point and have tentative deals in place.

But I'm thinking they need the right conditions for their lauch - maybe for FoxCon's Apple production to be out of the lauch phase. That and all the other new electroincs being released before the holiday season.... bet production cost are at their highest. Maybe they need those new SD 600 series 5G chipsets to hit the market next year? Maybe they are waiting till after Verizon and T-Mobile kick BBOS and BB10 phones off their network at the first of the year? (would think they'd want to be in place before that happens).

Whatever they are doing.... life goes on. Enterprise buys equipment every day to replace existing products.... end of the year is a big time for Enterprise equipment replacement in mass.

In the end, Enterprise isn't an impulse buyer. Launch day doesn't mean as much to them, so Onward needs to at some point.... let Enterprise in on what they are going to offer. Or they want see much in the way of sales for 6 - 8 months, after they lauch.

[Chuck Finley69]

Strang as the LINKEDIN profile for the company has someone going back 18 months, several others over a year.... with the rest almost six months ago. Think Peter was the most recent Onward "employee".... which is why I think he is more a mouth piece than a decision maker.

This isn't just a group that got together a month ago, they have been working on this long enough that they should have porotype and a plan in place. I'd assume they have already spoken with retailers and carriers at this point and have tentative deals in place.

But I'm thinking they need the right conditions for their lauch - maybe for FoxCon's Apple production to be out of the lauch phase. That and all the other new electroincs being released before the holiday season.... bet production cost are at their highest. Maybe they need those new SD 600 series 5G chipsets to hit the market next year? Maybe they are waiting till after Verizon and T-Mobile kick BBOS and BB10 phones off their network at the first of the year? (would think they'd want to be in place before that happens).

Whatever they are doing.... life goes on. Enterprise buys equipment every day to replace existing products.... end of the year is a big time for Enterprise equipment replacement in mass.

In the end, Enterprise isn't an impulse buyer. Launch day doesn't mean as much to them, so Onward needs to at some point.... let Enterprise in on what they are going to offer. Or they want see much in the way of sales for 6 - 8 months, after they lauch.

This is more along the lines about the lack information that I’ve been complaining about. There’s a lot more generic product and strategy information that could be strung out here. Heck, look how long BB strung out everyone with BB10 and it’s multiple delays.....if that succeeded in buying time almost ten years ago, 2.0 the press releases, change the language and dates where necessary and OM or BlackBerry Unicorn as needed. Voila, it’s 2021 baby

[Emaderton3]

This is more along the lines about the lack information that I’ve been complaining about. There’s a lot more generic product and strategy information that could be strung out here. Heck, look how long BB strung out everyone with BB10 and it’s multiple delays.....if that succeeded in buying time almost ten years ago, 2.0 the press releases, change the language and dates where necessary and OM or BlackBerry Unicorn as needed. Voila, it’s 2021 baby

Yeah its time for some real info.

[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

Yeah its time for some real info.

Whole new meaning to "coming soon"....

[Bla1ze]

Whole new meaning to "coming soon"....

Forever on Team Coming Soon™️

[BBuso77]

Forever on Team Coming Soon™️

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[Emaderton3]

Forever on Team Coming Soon

[Chuck Finley69]

Here's the latest podcast if anyone's wishing to watch

[Chuck Finley69]

Found this article interesting,

https://technosports.co.in/2020/11/0...-them-in-2021/

when you realize, it's written from a perspective as if the last 4-8 years never happened.

[Winnertrack]

very optimistic indeed

[eshropshire]

Found this article interesting,

https://technosports.co.in/2020/11/0...-them-in-2021/

when you realize, it's written from a perspective as if the last 4-8 years never happened.

I love the reference in the S21 to Mobile Casino Gaming? Like this is the main reason people buy a Samsung phone. Personally this is such a stupid comment it makes the rest pretty useless. The writer is just repeating rumors that are currently out in the tech press.

[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

Have to wonder how many click he gets for just putting BlackBerry in that short list....

Not sure Pixel even deserves to be in a "flagship" list at this point... maybe in 2021 they'll offer one. But seems strange and Indian site doesn't really list devices relevant in that market.... Doesn't sound like Onward got their eye on India right now.