1. cgk's Avatar
    Now - you will say 'Chuck - Onward mobility clearly exists' and you would be right.

    * It has a website
    * It has key people listed:

    - Peter Franklin -- CEO - He exists
    - Donavon Favre - CSO - He exists (although he says his full-time job is as a lecturer )
    - John Casio - CFO - He exists
    - Chuck Becher - EVP - he exists
    - Melody Russell - SVP Marketing - She exists
    - Géraud Boutibonnes - VP - They exist

    Impressive right - but who works for any of these people and where?

    If this is going to be anything but an ODM device with a logo slapped on - where is the evidence of technical staff - who are these people? Where are they located?
    Last edited by cgk; 01-13-22 at 02:19 PM.
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    01-13-22 01:36 PM
  2. the_boon's Avatar
    Maybe @jobtate can chime in about this phenomenon of a company
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    01-13-22 01:52 PM
  3. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    These are merely some investors.... they all live in different places around the world. Most had some history with BlackBerry or TCL or Somin in some way or another.

    They were always going to outsource the design and construction. I expect that software was also going to be outsourced as well, and wouldn't be surprised if they weren't looking to have most of the sales and distribution outsourced.... along with support.

    But while I fully expected them to get a device to market... and it seems they are still working in that direction still (in some way). I don't see a company that Enterprise and Government are going to trust to be a supplier for them. But without Enterprise and Government and their propensity to pay premiums for security products that they value. I really can't see how this "company" can turn a BlackBerry phone into some long term business... or why BlackBerry would be involved with this bunch.

    Yeah three years ago when they first started, even selling a couple hundred thousand PKB phones sounded possible still... but today? I don't see the customers in volume, willing to pay the premiums this phone will carry.
    01-13-22 02:14 PM
  4. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Now - you will say 'Chuck - Onward mobility clearly exists' and you would be right.

    * It has a website
    * It has key people listed:

    - Peter Franklin -- CEO - He exists
    - Donavon Favre - CSO - He exists (although he says his full-time job is as a lecturer
    - John Casio - CFO - He exists
    - Chuck Becher - EVP - he exists
    - Melody Russell - SVP Marketing - She exists
    - Géraud Boutibonnes - VP - They exist

    Impressive right - but who works for any of these people and where?

    If this is going to be anything but an ODM device with a logo slapped on - where is the evidence of technical staff - who are these people? Where are they located?
    LMAO
    01-13-22 02:18 PM
  5. jobtate's Avatar
    Maybe @jobtate can chime in about this phenomenon of a company
    I dont doubt these people exist but outside of the excellent questions re: actual phone production, these people obviously don't execute on their job titles.
    Government sales?
    International sales?
    T-mobile handjob guy?
    Marketing? (GTFO)

    However legit their employment and titles might be they're not doing anything (remotely) related to their titles.

    How could they be? This entire venture centers around a phone that does not exist and has not existed.

    Unless their office has a ping pong table I can't imagine how they're spending their days.

    Spoiler alert: They're all busy with their other employment and, or so I've heard, selling and serviceing some security software that I can only assume was the backbone of their entire mobile pitch.

    No phone.
    Will be no phone.
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    01-13-22 02:35 PM
  6. jacobacevedog's Avatar
    Now - you will say 'Chuck - Onward mobility clearly exists' and you would be right.

    * It has a website
    * It has key people listed:

    - Peter Franklin -- CEO - He exists
    - Donavon Favre - CSO - He exists (although he says his full-time job is as a lecturer )
    - John Casio - CFO - He exists
    - Chuck Becher - EVP - he exists
    - Melody Russell - SVP Marketing - She exists
    - Géraud Boutibonnes - VP - They exist

    Impressive right - but who works for any of these people and where?

    If this is going to be anything but an ODM device with a logo slapped on - where is the evidence of technical staff - who are these people? Where are they located?
    OM and Blackberry have only demonstrated their capacity to release information about the company in slow motion.

    For the remaining pieces, we need to wait.
    01-13-22 03:01 PM
  7. conite's Avatar
    OM and Blackberry have only demonstrated their capacity to release information about the company in slow motion.

    For the remaining pieces, we need to wait.
    What has either ever released about OM the company?
    01-13-22 03:04 PM
  8. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    What has either ever released about OM the company?
    To bad one of them isn't in charge of legal and have to background in NDA... as they seem to have signed themselves into a hole.
    01-13-22 03:16 PM
  9. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    OM and Blackberry have only demonstrated their capacity to release information about the company in slow motion.

    For the remaining pieces, we need to wait.
    Has BlackBerry Limited ever actually said anything regarding Onward Mobility licensing. Every time someone mentions something about Chen, it seems he doesn’t really know the company name or for that matter it’s existence.

    I’m always left with the feeling that actual senior management doesn’t really truly have any involvement with the Onward Mobility agreement let alone that BlackBerry really cares beyond cashing the proverbial check….
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    01-13-22 03:16 PM
  10. cgk's Avatar
    OM and Blackberry have only demonstrated their capacity to release information about the company in slow motion.
    Generally speaking in tech areas, we don't need a company to release the names of individual staff - unless it's a top secret - it's easy to find people who for apple, microsoft, google etc via social media and professional networking sites.

    I'm saying as it currently stands there seems to be no evidence that anyone works for OM, OM has ever advertised any jobs and it's a niche specialist area so I'd expect to find something.

    Has BlackBerry Limited ever actually said anything regarding Onward Mobility licensing. Every time someone mentions something about Chen, it seems he doesn’t really know the company name or for that matter it’s existence.

    I’m always left with the feeling that actual senior management doesn’t really truly have any involvement with the Onward Mobility agreement let alone that BlackBerry really cares beyond cashing the proverbial check….
    Earnings calls are a good way to work out if something is important. I had a look at the earnings calls transcripts post that single press release - nobody from Blackberry has ever mentioned OM and no analyst has ever asked either - from that I determine it's not materially significant.
    01-13-22 03:28 PM
  11. jacobacevedog's Avatar
    Has BlackBerry Limited ever actually said anything regarding Onward Mobility licensing. Every time someone mentions something about Chen, it seems he doesn’t really know the company name or for that matter it’s existence.

    I’m always left with the feeling that actual senior management doesn’t really truly have any involvement with the Onward Mobility agreement let alone that BlackBerry really cares beyond cashing the proverbial check….
    For me, this is sufficient to say there is something from BlackBerry.

    It could be more for sure, but if this guy is aware... they have been taking about this topic at senior management level several times.

    https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6290...#sp=show-clips

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    01-13-22 03:49 PM
  12. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    For me, this is sufficient to say there is something from BlackBerry.

    It could be more for sure, but if this guy is aware... they have been taking about this topic at senior management level several times.

    https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6290...#sp=show-clips

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    From that you could also say that Chen's a 1883 fan..... of course those pioneers are dropping like flies.
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    01-13-22 04:34 PM
  13. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    From that you could also say that Chen's a 1883 fan..... of course those pioneers are dropping like flies.
    We don't swim.
    01-13-22 06:47 PM
  14. boogywstew's Avatar
    Look for evidence of OM's existence in places where these types of start up companies are always first seen. Get a map and look under inactive volcanoes on secluded islands.
    Large orders for matching uniforms ... hirings of shark wranglers ... large orders for small laser beams with attached straps ... grooming bills for white angora cats etc. The clues are there.
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    01-14-22 08:34 AM
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    01-14-22 04:18 PM
  16. conite's Avatar
    Fingers crossed!

    But all she did was link to a news outlet's post. She AGAIN didn't say anything - apart from the standard "still hard at work" refrain.
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    01-14-22 04:26 PM
  17. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Three years of hard work is really paying off... got an article on GoodEReader.com

    But at least they are posting and even replying to folks. Her one post was "I will try to communicate as much as I am able. All press needs to be approved by BlackBerry, Carriers and partners so is sometimes challenging. Just know we are here and hard at work bringing the next device to market." So BlackBerry is at the heart of this and they have Carriers and other partners all on board...

    Positive sign they are trying to do something...
    01-14-22 04:29 PM
  18. the_boon's Avatar
    @jobtate we need your input here lol
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    01-14-22 05:34 PM
  19. conite's Avatar
    we need your input here lol
    Did you see anything new?

    That said, I've now moved the needle from 25% to 33%.
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    01-14-22 05:35 PM
  20. jobtate's Avatar
    @jobtate we need your input here lol
    Article headline says smartphone will "launch soon" and the body goes on to say how there is no release date, no deadline and the company was specific about giving any details whatsoever.

    This is journalistic bloat.

    Lastly, OM's post was a copy and paste of Melody's post. (Assuming she wrote both).

    No soul or passion to these efforts at all.

    Reminds me of when I was in college and I was messing with font sizes and margins in Microsoft Word to try to massage a 3.5 pg paper into a 5 pg paper.

    There is no phone.
    There will be no phone.
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    01-14-22 05:46 PM
  21. jacobacevedog's Avatar
    Article headline says smartphone will "launch soon" and the body goes on to say how there is no release date, no deadline and the company was specific about giving any details whatsoever.

    This is journalistic bloat.

    Lastly, OM's post was a copy and paste of Melody's post. (Assuming she wrote both).

    No soul or passion to these efforts at all.

    Reminds me of when I was in college and I was messing with font sizes and margins in Microsoft Word to try to massage a 3.5 pg paper into a 5 pg paper.

    There is no phone.
    There will be no phone.
    Yeah! It is getting closer though.
    What is going to happen, it is going to happen anyhow.
    Last edited by jacobacevedog; 01-15-22 at 05:43 AM.
    01-14-22 07:01 PM
  22. shakingthrough's Avatar
    Lots of comments to her on LinkedIn. Hopefully she and the rest of the leadership realize they can't just hide behind the OM name. Their individual credibility and reputations are at stake here. In that regard it makes me believe that they are at least still trying to develop a product, as otherwise I think they would have publically thrown in the towel by now.
    01-14-22 08:35 PM
  23. jobtate's Avatar
    Lots of comments to her on LinkedIn. Hopefully she and the rest of the leadership realize they can't just hide behind the OM name. Their individual credibility and reputations are at stake here. In that regard it makes me believe that they are at least still trying to develop a product, as otherwise I think they would have publically thrown in the towel by now.
    Brass tacks, they can't deliver a timeline because so many factors are still in limbo.

    It follows then, with so much limbo, the phone is in perilous limbo as well.

    If they were to actually say "We're not sure we can deliver this phone but we're trying" it would spell certain death.

    So they bluster. They do half-hearted pump fakes on LinkedIn etc.

    Their large valley of silence told us everything though.
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    01-14-22 11:12 PM
  24. Ph1llip's Avatar
    Her one post was "I will try to communicate as much as I am able. All press needs to be approved by BlackBerry, Carriers and partners so is sometimes challenging. Just know we are here and hard at work bringing the next device to market." So BlackBerry is at the heart of this and they have Carriers and other partners all on board...

    Positive sign they are trying to do something...
    No it's not.

    1. Why would BlackBerry have veto over what OM would announce? They have no stake in the company.
    2. Ditto for carriers or "partners". I fell off my chair laughing, carriers only get involved when there IS a phone.

    We are falling for OM's trolling. Again. When will we all decide it ain't happening? End of 2022? End of 2023? Eternal optimism is not good unless it's a matter of religious faith. And a phone certainly isn't the thing to apply religious fervor to. It's just a phone, not the Second Coming of Christ.
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    01-15-22 12:05 AM
  25. jacobacevedog's Avatar
    No it's not.

    1. Why would BlackBerry have veto over what OM would announce? They have no stake in the company.
    2. Ditto for carriers or "partners". I fell off my chair laughing, carriers only get involved when there IS a phone.

    We are falling for OM's trolling. Again. When will we all decide it ain't happening? End of 2022? End of 2023? Eternal optimism is not good unless it's a matter of religious faith. And a phone certainly isn't the thing to apply religious fervor to. It's just a phone, not the Second Coming of Christ.
    In the first weeks of 2022, both OM and Chen have been more optimistic than in the whole 2021.

    It is not our optimism, it is theirs.
    We only have hope and fears.
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    01-15-22 06:57 AM
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