- Or iPhones.... someone posted that's what BlackBerry was itself deploying.Captain Neil and Trouveur like this.10-22-20 11:33 AMLike 2
- Perhaps, using AOSP instead of licensing Android from Google would allow for better Privacy and a better Hub? Besides MicroG what is out there that replaces GSF? Maybe, Onward Mobility can take over BlackBerry World and use Cylance tech to evaluate app submissions for security and privacy? Highly unlikely to happen, but it isn't clear what, beyond the BlackBerry trademark, OM is getting from BlackBerry. Did OM actually indicate it is using BB PKB designs or patents?01-21-21 12:42 PMLike 0
- Perhaps, using AOSP instead of licensing Android from Google would allow for better Privacy and a better Hub? Besides MicroG what is out there that replaces GSF? Maybe, Onward Mobility can take over BlackBerry World and use Cylance tech to evaluate app submissions for security and privacy? Highly unlikely to happen, but it isn't clear what, beyond the BlackBerry trademark, OM is getting from BlackBerry. Did OM actually indicate it is using BB PKB designs or patents?
For reference, see every single Android device ever without Google.
OM stated they were designing a brand new keyboard from the ground up. No information about BlackBerry IP has been mentioned by either party.pdr733 likes this.01-21-21 12:53 PMLike 1 -
Perhaps they devloped a phone with chorded keyboard, that is technically the future of pkb keyboards01-21-21 05:51 PMLike 0 -
Keysets have been around for 50 years.Last edited by conite; 01-21-21 at 06:14 PM.
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- Producing a mainstream device without Google is a death warrant.
For reference, see every single Android device ever without Google.
OM stated they were designing a brand new keyboard from the ground up. No information about BlackBerry IP has been mentioned by either party.
You need devices and apps. Similar to the problem that Cascades was the native API on BB10 not Android. Starting with Android would not have prevented transitioning to another development solution or model, if the customers are there and GSF has not been licensed. The point is to minimize costs to developers when they adopt a new platform. Forking AOSP can do this.Last edited by DonHB; 01-21-21 at 08:40 PM.
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- The last thing anyone wants to do is travel down that dark road again.
Using Play Services allows developers to use all of the latest APIs without having to worry about device compatibility. It's a big win-win.Last edited by conite; 01-21-21 at 08:52 PM.
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Not to mention that developers wanted to stick to Play Store.01-21-21 09:00 PMLike 0 -
- Next step after convienence key which made switching between apps easier would be dedicated dual app keys. As it stands using two apps on a slab at tge same time is awkward, combined with no onscreen keyboard, OM would have a real advantage over other slabs. (Slider format of course)01-21-21 09:16 PMLike 0
- Next step after convienence key which made switching between apps easier would be dedicated dual app keys. As it stands using two apps on a slab at tge same time is awkward, combined with no onscreen keyboard, OM would have a real advantage over other slabs. (Slider format of course)01-21-21 09:18 PMLike 0
- Next step after convienence key which made switching between apps easier would be dedicated dual app keys. As it stands using two apps on a slab at tge same time is awkward, combined with no onscreen keyboard, OM would have a real advantage over other slabs. (Slider format of course)
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I know a LOT of people are very loud about wanting something else... but in the end, do they really? And are they willing to pay more for it? Are they willing to give up some things to have it?
And the real trick as we have seen and learned.... is how do you get both groups, consumers and developer to take the risk together?
BlackBerry's BB10 platform failed
Microsoft's Windows 10 Mobile platform failed
Samsung's Tizen platform for phones failed
Mozilla's Firefox OS failed (has rerisen under new ownership as KaiOS.... .13% marketshare with mostly $100 and under phones )
Jolla's Sailfish platform is dead in the water... not even sure the Russians are really going to use it.
Amazon's Kindle platform... only exist on mostly $50 tablets that they subsidies.
Harmony OS platform might be the exception.... with State backing and billions poured into it. But even that isn't assured.
What you want is something like GrapheneOS, Lineage OS or Replicant..... no need for OM to make their own.
But in the end the big developers use GPS for a reason, and they aren't going to go chasing a few thousand users on some forked Android OS or on some Linux distribution.01-22-21 07:51 AMLike 0 - Thing is... do the majority of developer and user want something different from what Google offers.
I know a LOT of people are very loud about wanting something else... but in the end, do they really? And are they willing to pay more for it? Are they willing to give up some things to have it?
And the real trick as we have seen and learned.... is how do you get both groups, consumers and developer to take the risk together?
BlackBerry's BB10 platform failed
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But in the end the big developers use GPS for a reason, and they aren't going to go chasing a few thousand users on some forked Android OS or on some Linux distribution.
This problem was the same with SailFish which also used Qt with a proprietary UI API. But worse than BB as it had no App Store. Like BlackBerry, it added support for Android, but it was likely outdated as was the runtime in BB10.
The problem is similar with the Android (non-TM'd) offerings with no place for developers to sell their wares. And the APIs were non-standard or free use for device developers (e.g. Amazon's offerings). I am not aware of any real effort by Amazon to get its App Store loaded by phone owners onto their devices. The Fire Phone was panned due to its UX more so than due to issues with app availability.
What is needed is an organization that will take AOSP and fork it and make it available to developers and device makers. To make a third platform which has fewer restrictions than Android (with TM) and to judiciously choose the level of control that allows device developers to innovate and for software developers to continue support of the platform is tall order, but the current AOSP is mature, but lagging the TM'd version. Could be an opportune time.
Can't suggest any existing organization to take this on. It could perhaps fund itself by operating an app store. BlueStacks may have the expertise to do this, but I believe its raison d'être is to bring proprietary Android (TM'd) to macOS and Windows. There may be a conflict of interest, if it takes this on. I have been convinced BlackBerry would not have any interest in pursuing this.
Google should understand that this project could help them in countering accusations of antitrust.01-22-21 11:04 AMLike 0 -
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The good - The Amazon Fire Phone has cool "3D" visuals and a fresh OS design, and it hits the sweet spot for one-handed operation. It has deep, convenient integration with Amazon services.
The bad - Although it costs the same (or more) as competing Android and iPhone models, the Fire Phone delivers a less extensive app store and service experience01-22-21 11:13 AMLike 0 - Cnet:
The good - The Amazon Fire Phone has cool "3D" visuals and a fresh OS design, and it hits the sweet spot for one-handed operation. It has deep, convenient integration with Amazon services.
The bad - Although it costs the same (or more) as competing Android and iPhone models, the Fire Phone delivers a less extensive app store and service experience01-22-21 11:20 AMLike 0 -
As for software problems similar to the KEY² hardware problems, I have no idea what you're talking about.
You keep pushing your narrative around, but ignore the simple fact that every single attempt at this has failed - despite your best efforts to explain each and every one of them away. Try to think of it from another perspective, - in that from every angle this has been approached, it has failed.01-22-21 11:25 AMLike 0 -
https://variety.com/2014/digital/new...s-1201267476/#!01-22-21 11:31 AMLike 0 - Check out this article from a non-tech source:
https://variety.com/2014/digital/new...s-1201267476/#!
Ironically, their biggest gripe was "while Amazon offers 185,000 apps for the Fire Phone, that’s less than 20% of the apps that run on Apple and Android phones, and doesn’t currently have apps such as YouTube and Google Maps."01-22-21 11:33 AMLike 0
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