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  1. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    On the plus side, I'm finding Edge to be an excellent browser and the XBOX app is pretty awesome.

    PassportSQW100-1/10.3.1.2576 O2 UK
    I agree... I left Edge as the default, really like the MAKE A WEB NOTE feature.

    Unlike some that think Microsoft has failed again... I think they have done a VERY smart thing in allowing most everyone to upgrade for free. But if you don't like the tracking on Windows 10.... go get a ChromeBook.
    08-06-15 03:36 PM
  2. grahamf's Avatar
    I'm waiting for plugin support first. I need adblock and a decent right-click menu.
    08-06-15 05:47 PM
  3. guygardner73's Avatar
    I noticed that when you set Windows 10 up for the first time, you can change the privacy settings and that it says you can change it at any time. I'm using the pro version so it might be a little different to the other versions available. I don't see any major privacy infringements, but maybe I'm just naive. The location thing doesn't mean anything to me as my computer is where it always is, in the office. I don't have a microphone or webcam as they're not necessary for my work and as far as spam goes, outlook.com has good filters. If Microsoft looks at my files (which I doubt they would) then they're breaking the law and I doubt that they'd expose themselves to a lawsuit of that magnitude and I further doubt they'd hire a legion of people to sift through every windows user's data. They do employ the adsense thing but as I said, that can be turned off (at least upon first activation) with the addition of security software and a decent firewall, I don't see the issue here.

    I like Windows 10 and see it as a massive improvement over 8. I never used 8 beyond trying it out because 7 was so much better in a variety of ways. But I think 10 could be a winner as far as I'm concerned. It seems faster, more fluid and more intuitive. Liking the XBOX one synergy and the UI in general. The flat design is clean and pleasing on the eye and the dark theme option in the browser is a good idea.

    PassportSQW100-1/10.3.1.2576 O2 UK
    ALToronto likes this.
    08-07-15 03:45 AM
  4. lift's Avatar
    But if you don't like the tracking on Windows 10.... go get a ChromeBook
    Now that is funny! Like a GOOGLE ChromeBook doesn't track everything you do too. Really??? Did really you mean what you wrote?
    08-07-15 11:07 AM
  5. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Now that is funny! Like a GOOGLE ChromeBook doesn't track everything you do too. Really??? Did really you mean what you wrote?
    irony - an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.
    See you found it funny... you just didn't realize that it was meant to be.
    kbz1960 likes this.
    08-07-15 11:37 AM
  6. Taoberry's Avatar
    BTW, I don't know if everyone here knows what Wi-Fi Sense is all about. It has nothing to do with whether or not you're doing anything illegal. It's about sharing your SSID and login to your own Wi-Fi network with potentially all your contacts, including Facebook friends - which other articles pointed out.
    I'm one who doesn't know what it's all about. I have Windows 10 downloaded but haven't installed. What is the point of WiFi Sense? I mean, how is the feature suppose to benefit me?



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    08-09-15 05:39 AM
  7. JamieWilson01's Avatar
    I'm one who doesn't know what it's all about. I have Windows 10 downloaded but haven't installed. What is the point of WiFi Sense? I mean, how is the feature suppose to benefit me?



    Posted via CB10
    Going by the general Internet response it seems a good idea to turn it off.

    Don't want Facebook friends hanging around outside my apartment using my WiFi network.

    Via CB10 from Scotland using Z10STL100-2/10.3.2.2339
    08-09-15 06:25 AM
  8. Richard Buckley's Avatar
    I'm one who doesn't know what it's all about. I have Windows 10 downloaded but haven't installed. What is the point of WiFi Sense? I mean, how is the feature suppose to benefit me?



    Posted via CB10
    Assuming all your Facebook friends are really friends, and they have Windows 10 devices, when they visit you, or you visit them, you won't need to tell them your WiFi password, or visa versa. The main problem is that there is no granularity yet. You can allow all your Facebook friends, or none; all your Windows Live contacts or none. And they can share your password on to their friends. Given the theory of six degrees of separation, and the popularity of Windows, if you turn this on just about everyone will have access to your Wi-Fi.

    Z10STL100-3/10.3.2.2252 SR 10.3.2.2168
    08-09-15 08:07 AM
  9. grahamf's Avatar
    Assuming all your Facebook friends are really friends, and they have Windows 10 devices, when they visit you, or you visit them, you won't need to tell them your WiFi password, or visa versa. The main problem is that there is no granularity yet. You can allow all your Facebook friends, or none; all your Windows Live contacts or none. And they can share your password on to their friends. Given the theory of six degrees of separation, and the popularity of Windows, if you turn this on just about everyone will have access to your Wi-Fi.

    Z10STL100-3/10.3.2.2252 SR 10.3.2.2168
    Pretty much. By default it uses Outlook, Skype, or Facebook contacts, and you can only check or uncheck those three options. If you don't use a Microsoft Account or a Facebook app then it won't be able to connect though.
    08-09-15 08:49 AM
  10. guygardner73's Avatar
    Pretty much. By default it uses Outlook, Skype, or Facebook contacts, and you can only check or uncheck those three options. If you don't use a Microsoft Account or a Facebook app then it won't be able to connect though.
    So?


    PassportSQW100-1/10.3.1.2576 O2 UK
    08-09-15 04:10 PM
  11. kbz1960's Avatar
    I'm one who doesn't know what it's all about. I have Windows 10 downloaded but haven't installed. What is the point of WiFi Sense? I mean, how is the feature suppose to benefit me?



    Posted via CB10
    It doesn't benefit you. Just like Comcast is doing with their newer modem/router. It automatically creates a hotspot that anyone with a Comcast account can connect to. I think it has more to do with wifi being available everywhere for everyone at the people who pay for it expense.
    lift likes this.
    08-09-15 04:23 PM
  12. grahamf's Avatar
    So?


    PassportSQW100-1/10.3.1.2576 O2 UK
    So what?


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    08-10-15 09:25 AM
  13. guygardner73's Avatar
    So what?


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    So, what is the issue? Is there a genuine fear that people on your FB friends list will park their cars outside your house and use your wifi? Or is it that someone can get on your home network and fiddle around with your devices?


    PassportSQW100-1/10.3.1.2576 O2 UK
    08-10-15 12:26 PM
  14. grahamf's Avatar
    So, what is the issue? Is there a genuine fear that people on your FB friends list will park their cars outside your house and use your wifi? Or is it that someone can get on your home network and fiddle around with your devices?


    PassportSQW100-1/10.3.1.2576 O2 UK
    I never said it was an issue. I was listing the only options available to turn on or off


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    08-10-15 02:08 PM
  15. lift's Avatar
    I never said it was an issue. I was listing the only options available to turn on or off


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    It IS an issue. A big one at that.
    08-10-15 02:16 PM
  16. grahamf's Avatar
    It IS an issue. A big one at that.
    Mostly it's an annoyance. Check the Wifi Sense page and I'm pretty sure it will ask you to log into Facebook as it's currently not connected.
    08-10-15 02:24 PM
  17. guygardner73's Avatar
    I never said it was an issue. I was listing the only options available to turn on or off


    [Mozilla/5.0 (BB10; Touch) AppleWebkit/537.35+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/10.3.2.2339 Mobile Safari/537.35+] Blackberry Z30/STA100-5 SR10.3.2.2226 UTMS1,2,4,5,6 LTE4,5,7 Koodo Mobile (Telus subsidiary), CDMA 850/1900,EVDO 850/1900,HSDPA 850/1900,HSPA+ 850/1900,UMTS 850/1900,WCDMA 850/1900,1x EV-DO CDMA2000,LTE 1700/2100 Alberta, Canada, North America, Earth
    Ok, thanks for the info.

    PassportSQW100-1/10.3.1.2576 O2 UK
    08-10-15 05:07 PM
  18. Richard Buckley's Avatar
    I just went through the process of upgrading a Win 7 device to Win 10, which I am using to post this message. It strikes me very much as Microsoft trying to catch up with Google and Apple in the area of cross device connectivity. The big difference is it is much easier to opt out of sharing with Windows 10 than it is on iOS or any of Google's offerings. If you are surprised that Microsoft is trying to emulate two of the most successful companies on the planet, you need to shake your head. If you want to beat up on Microsoft for not providing an opt-in system instead of an opt-out system, fair enough, but don't leave out Google and Apple.
    08-11-15 07:15 AM
  19. anon(8080272)'s Avatar
    I just went through the process of upgrading a Win 7 device to Win 10, which I am using to post this message. It strikes me very much as Microsoft trying to catch up with Google and Apple in the area of cross device connectivity. The big difference is it is much easier to opt out of sharing with Windows 10 than it is on iOS or any of Google's offerings. If you are surprised that Microsoft is trying to emulate two of the most successful companies on the planet, you need to shake your head. If you want to beat up on Microsoft for not providing an opt-in system instead of an opt-out system, fair enough, but don't leave out Google and Apple.
    I agree.

    Thank goodness MS continues to have alternate revenue generation streams to data collection and ad serving. As long as they do, they won't go flat-out Google.

    Does iOS gobble usage pattern and location data as Google does? I thought their revenue generation revolved around iTunes and their app store (surcharges and licensing).

    Z30 STA100-5 -- OS 10.3.2.2168 -- stable.
    08-11-15 08:13 AM
  20. Richard Buckley's Avatar
    I agree.

    Thank goodness MS continues to have alternate revenue generation streams to data collection and ad serving. As long as they do, they won't go flat-out Google.

    Does iOS gobble usage pattern and location data as Google does? I thought their revenue generation revolved around iTunes and their app store (surcharges and licensing).

    Z30 STA100-5 -- OS 10.3.2.2168 -- stable.
    iTunes genius? It is a more direct loop (monitor, suggest purchase) than Google's monitor, suggest target advertising. But I don't view any service that provides "suggested for you" items as materially different from Google. They are all based on collecting usage data and trying to convert that to a purchase. When they provide a service, or suggestions that we like, we tend to look on the company favorably. When they make creepy suggestions we tend otherwise. And I'm not saying Microsoft doesn't, or wont try to monetize data collected. Just that, at least for now, the opt-out is easy.
    lift likes this.
    08-11-15 09:58 AM
  21. Philster69's Avatar
    the fact is every company data mines if your so worried unplug from the internet or just deal with it its not going to change
    08-11-15 11:46 PM
  22. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    If you want to see the extent to Microsoft copied Android,,, do not do an express install when installing Windows 10... choose advanced instead... as you scroll through the screens to select your settings...you would swear you are using a Google products... all the goodies from GPS to data mining... when you express install you agree to all these default and invasive options. if you have installed it with express option... go to privacy settings and you can modify "some" of the options.... just a bad as the bloatware you see when installing "free software" off the internet... as usual... never install any software of app using default/express options...
    So totally This ^...

    :-)))

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    08-12-15 03:30 AM
  23. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    I chew tobacco. I'm an NRA member. I still alcohol. I own assault rifles. Lived in Russia. My daughter in-law is a Chinese national. I voted for Sarah Palin and I still can't get the NSA to notice me.

    Its only my healthy narcissism that keeps me believing my personal information is worth stealing.
    You're too darn straight... ;-)


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    08-12-15 03:33 AM
  24. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    Amazing how far we've fallen.

    Free speech has no meaning anymore. Not in person, not on the interweb. From your comment I assume you think it's fair that I would be denied health insurance in the US if I made some search queries about cancer for a friend who was just diagnosed?

    Amazing.



    Posted via CB10
    Left alone some stranger or one of your Facebook or other "friends"( via Wifi-Sense) is using your internet behind the NAT/firewall and it ends up in your "records"...

    :-|


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    08-12-15 03:54 AM
  25. lift's Avatar
    the fact is every company data mines if your so worried unplug from the internet or just deal with it its not going to change
    Your attitude and sheepish comment is why it will never change.
    08-12-15 10:48 AM
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