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  1. ruhban's Avatar
    ...via an adapter which also lets you charge the phone by plugging in the standard charger.
    How can it charge the device while sending media across?

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    06-24-14 11:04 AM
  2. thurask's Avatar
    What's wrong with the 13mp Sony camera?

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    It's pretty old. From 2012 IIRC.

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    06-24-14 11:05 AM
  3. webber27's Avatar
    It's pretty old. From 2012 IIRC.

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    Yeah but it's 13MP which is enormous. Once you reach that level it's really all about the software now IMO.

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    06-24-14 11:19 AM
  4. UrbanGlowCam's Avatar
    What's wrong with the 13mp Sony camera?
    I think the sad face was for the front camera.

    Does this image help with anything? Caught it during the Jam webinar for the 10.3 Gold SDK. It confirms a lot of what some of your findings were.
    Updated model numbers and names-changes103.jpg
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    06-24-14 11:41 AM
  5. ofutur's Avatar
    I think the sad face was for the front camera.

    Does this image help with anything? Caught it during the Jam webinar for the 10.3 Gold SDK. It confirms a lot of what some of your findings were.
    Yeah, the sad face was for the front cam

    Thanks for the screenshot. I still don't know what ProVoice is... but it will be in Windermere.

    Do you know if the touch keyboard is multi-touch? Would be really innovative as an input device where you can control zones
    06-24-14 11:48 AM
  6. thurask's Avatar
    Yeah, the sad face was for the front cam

    Thanks for the screenshot. I still don't know what ProVoice is... but it will be in Windermere.

    Do you know if the touch keyboard is multi-touch? Would be really innovative as an input device where you can control zones
    I think it is, at least that's what I remember Finger ID is.

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    06-24-14 11:49 AM
  7. ofutur's Avatar
    Passport Camera specs (Galaxy S4, note 3, LG G2, G3)

    Model name
    IMX135
    Number of effective pixels
    4208(H) x 3120(V)
    13.13M pixels
    Image size
    Diagonal 5.867 mm
    (Type 1/3.06)
    Unit cell size
    1.12 μm (H) x 1.12 μm (V)
    Frame rate
    Full
    24 fps
    1/2 sub sampling 48 fps
    1/8 sub sampling Not supported
    HD mode 1080p 30fps (HDR mode)
    1080p 60fps
    720p 60fps
    Sensitivity
    (typical value F5.6)
    92mV (Green pixel)
    127mV (White pixel)
    Sensor saturation signal
    (minimum value)
    260mV
    Power
    supply
    Analog
    2.7V
    Digital 1.05V
    Interface 1.8V
    Key features
    RGBW coding function
    HDR movie function
    Output
    MIPI (4lane, 2lane)
    Image output format
    Bayer RAW
    Last edited by ofutur; 06-24-14 at 12:22 PM.
    06-24-14 11:59 AM
  8. UrbanGlowCam's Avatar
    Do you know if the touch keyboard is multi-touch? Would be really innovative as an input device where you can control zones
    Yes, it was confirmed that the Passport's touch keyboard will suport multi-touch in the webinar this morning.
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    06-24-14 12:16 PM
  9. ofutur's Avatar
    And the lenses with OIS are being sourced from Semco (Samsung) and LG-Innotek. No idea which one the final hardware will have or if it's a combination of the two.

    Camera sensors have strange bird names
    • Osprey
    • Peacock
    • Canary
    • Swan
    • Budgie
    • Kestrel
    • Swift
    • Falcon
    Last edited by ofutur; 06-24-14 at 01:39 PM.
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    06-24-14 12:30 PM
  10. Tank1978's Avatar
    Is it possible we could find out about another device when 10.3.1 sdk come out?

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    06-24-14 11:35 PM
  11. Mack Gans's Avatar
    Any rumours on a Panorama mode being implemented in 10.3.1?

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    06-25-14 12:39 AM
  12. williaml's Avatar
    Any word on a 64bit version of the OS?

    Also, what distinguishes the Passport from the Q10 hardware wise that would cause Q10 EOL but not Passport (ie why is the OS different)?

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    06-25-14 12:44 AM
  13. Ragbert's Avatar
    Thank you for this, ofutur! You must have read my mind! :-)

    Do you know if Slimport supports USB OTG too?
    I've been wishing the Q10's charging port had that.

    A FAQ on Slimport

    The SlimPort family of products offers additional features beyond basic DisplayPort and MYDP functionality:

    • Using a single mobile USB connector for data-sync, power-charging, and uncompressed protected contents delivery to an external big screen display.
    • Integrated USB switch, compliant with IC-USB specifications, to reduce the Bill of Materials cost for mobile devices.
    • Integrated downstream mobile accessory detect mechanism to reduce the Bill of Materials cost for mobile devices.
    • Direct connectivity to HDTVs, monitors, and projectors using VGA, DVI, HDMI and DisplayPort interfaces.
    • Reduced power consumption with Analogix proprietary power recovery techniques.
    • Ability to charge mobile devices while being connected to HD displays using HDMI and DisplayPort.


    Analogix

    HDMI converter
    http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-...UvbUpU10517179


    Posted with my Q10, SQN100-2, 10.2.1.2947/2274 Radio
    06-25-14 01:44 AM
  14. UrbanGlowCam's Avatar
    Any word on a 64bit version of the OS?

    Also, what distinguishes the Passport from the Q10 hardware wise that would cause Q10 EOL but not Passport (ie why is the OS different)?

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    The Q10 will not be EOL yet. The Passport is the only device that will get 10.3 officially to my understanding. Shortly after, they will release the Classic with 10.3.1 along with all the outgoing models (Z10/Q10/Q5/Z30/etc.).

    10.3 is probably focused on getting the Passport launch right and making sure the touch keyboard works well. They will then work on bringing compatibility to all other models with 10.3.1 as well as to bring trackpad support with the Classic.

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    06-25-14 05:03 AM
  15. ofutur's Avatar
    Thank you for this, ofutur! You must have read my mind! :-)

    Do you know if Slimport supports USB OTG too?
    I've been wishing the Q10's charging port had that.
    I think not...
    Can I plug in a mouse, keyboard or external drive?

    Analogix is upgrading its SlimPort products to support wired keyboard, mouse or external drive connectivity. Please watch the slimportconnect.com website for new product announcements.


    The Q10 will not be EOL yet. The Passport is the only device that will get 10.3 officially to my understanding. Shortly after, they will release the Classic with 10.3.1 along with all the outgoing models (Z10/Q10/Q5/Z30/etc.).

    10.3 is probably focused on getting the Passport launch right and making sure the touch keyboard works well. They will then work on bringing compatibility to all other models with 10.3.1 as well as to bring trackpad support with the Classic.
    They don't even have time to finish 10.3 properly, so they had to focus on just one device.
    06-25-14 10:01 AM
  16. sayf777's Avatar
    Wow, really no usb otg for the passport :/

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    06-25-14 04:14 PM
  17. smart548's Avatar
    Wow, really no usb otg for the passport :/

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    I hope not. With a >3000 mah battery it would not be a good move to not have OTG

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    06-25-14 05:13 PM
  18. epyon52328's Avatar
    I hope not. With a >3000 mah battery it would not be a good move to not have OTG

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    No one's saying that people would have to use it but it is becoming a standard across Windows and Android and even the Z30 has it. Would just be wrong not to.

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    06-25-14 08:30 PM
  19. INTz's Avatar
    Is usb otg that big of a deal? If your use case is kb and mouse then it's much easier and more convenient to use blue tooth keyboard and mouse. Works perfectly fine on my z10.

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    06-25-14 09:40 PM
  20. thurask's Avatar
    Is usb otg that big of a deal? If your use case is kb and mouse then it's much easier and more convenient to use blue tooth keyboard and mouse. Works perfectly fine on my z10.

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    And if your use case is attached storage?

    I'm wondering if the Passport will have more internal storage.

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    06-25-14 09:57 PM
  21. INTz's Avatar
    And if your use case is attached storage?

    I'm wondering if the Passport will have more internal storage.

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    That's another use case but definitely a valid one. In that case you would require otg support.

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    06-25-14 10:54 PM
  22. peter0328's Avatar
    I think it will support USB OTG. Just maybe not USB OTG and Slimport at the same time. Meaning you can't use the USB port on the adapter for OTG.

    EDIT: just checked and Nexus 5 uses Slimport and support USB OTG.

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    06-26-14 02:30 AM
  23. ofutur's Avatar
    I think it will support USB OTG. Just maybe not USB OTG and Slimport at the same time. Meaning you can't use the USB port on the adapter for OTG.

    EDIT: just checked and Nexus 5 uses Slimport and support USB OTG.

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    Ah, good point so it's presentation mode or storage mode

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    06-26-14 06:19 AM
  24. wout000's Avatar
    Thanks for the screenshot. I still don't know what ProVoice is... but it will be in Windermere.
    ProVoice is a VOIP API that will be openend up to third party developers. ProVoice encapsulates a set of audio interfaces and codecs that allow you to add high quality full duplex audio support in your applications – the type of high quality audio that you can find in our BBM application, for example.

    WhatsApp will benefit most from using this as it is preparing it's Voice-over-data service. It will allow them to harness a full-duplex VOIP engine at high quality sound (think BBM Voice) without having to license or create a full duplex VOIP stack themselves or run it through their servers, all of which by the way is very costly.
    The other VOIP apps like VIBER have developed their own software stack which runs on their servers so I don’t think they’ll make use of it.

    It’s basically BBM Voice capability up for grabs…

    What I'm hoping, is that BlackBerry will adopt the OPUS codec for their VOIP calling. Currently they're using a wideband like AMR-WB or super-wideband codec like G.722.1C which are both quality codecs but they're beginning to show some cracks at the seams.

    Opus is a royalty free codec that supports constant and variable bitrate encoding from 6 kbit/s to 510 kbit/s, frame sizes from 2.5 ms to 60 ms, and certain sampling rates from 8 kHz (with 4 kHz bandwidth) to 48 kHz. It's super low latency (22.5ms) which makes it perfect for real-time high-quality audio. It also automatically adjusts bitrate encoding to the available bandwith while staying low-latency.

    It's a super codec and I'd love to see BlackBerry get it in their phones.

    Updated model numbers and names-674px-opus_bitrate-latency_comparison_svg.png
    Updated model numbers and names-800px-opus_quality_comparison_colorblind_compatible_svg.png
    Last edited by wout000; 06-26-14 at 11:50 AM.
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    06-26-14 11:30 AM
  25. ofutur's Avatar
    What I'm hoping, is that BlackBerry will adopt the OPUS codec for their VOIP calling. Currently they're using a wideband like AMR-WB or super-wideband codec like G.722.1C which are both quality codecs but they're beginning to show some cracks at the seams.

    Opus is a royalty free codec that supports constant and variable bitrate encoding from 6 kbit/s to 510 kbit/s, frame sizes from 2.5 ms to 60 ms, and certain sampling rates from 8 kHz (with 4 kHz bandwidth) to 48 kHz. It's super low latency (22.5ms) which makes it perfect for real-time high-quality audio. It also automatically adjusts bitrate encoding to the available bandwith while staying low-latency.

    It's a super codec and I'd love to see BlackBerry get it in their phones.
    Funny you should mention this, I was just looking at a file and saw that their software controller supports the following codecs:
    • Opus
    • Celt
    • G711A
    • G711U


    Then I checked further and saw the Opus and Celt enc/decoder
    06-26-14 12:00 PM
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