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  1. harshadpatel's Avatar
    @ofutur any word on when the work would start again on the Ontario project?
    05-17-14 07:07 AM
  2. Solar 77's Avatar
    @ofutur any word on when the work would start again on the Ontario project?
    Yep hopefully we get news on this or some sort of rehash for this project.

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    05-17-14 07:35 AM
  3. ofutur's Avatar
    @ofutur any word on when the work would start again on the Ontario project?
    Unfortunately I need to change the batteries in my crystal ball and they're difficult to come by given the restrictions in place in most countries regarding importing Uranium...
    05-17-14 08:43 AM
  4. harshadpatel's Avatar
    Haha. This is funny.

    Unfortunately I need to change the batteries in my crystal ball and they're difficult to come by given the restrictions in place in most countries regarding importing Uranium...


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    05-17-14 11:31 AM
  5. Omnitech's Avatar
    Unfortunately I need to change the batteries in my crystal ball and they're difficult to come by given the restrictions in place in most countries regarding importing Uranium...
    Will have to switch to Berrynium, then.
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    05-19-14 04:05 AM
  6. harshadpatel's Avatar
    Beerynium would definitely do

    Will have to switch to Berrynium, then.
    05-19-14 06:25 AM
  7. thurask's Avatar
    And regarding Hammerhead, if it's using the newer, unreleased 8660 Pro (8660AB) featuring the same GPU used by the Z30, then it would be a CDMA/UMTS model limited to a 1080p screen. Could be a car system for the US?

    Scratch that, it's the old one with an Adreno 225 :S
    I checked some old OSs (10.0.9.prerelease), and Hammerhead and Tigershark are still there. My guess still is that it's the first non-OMAP device they thought of. There's also something called a Nelson, but I think that's a prototype Q10.
    05-19-14 02:50 PM
  8. ofutur's Avatar
    I checked some old OSs (10.0.9.prerelease), and Hammerhead and Tigershark are still there. My guess still is that it's the first non-OMAP device they thought of. There's also something called a Nelson, but I think that's a prototype Q10.
    Don't forget Spencer
    05-19-14 03:06 PM
  9. The Big Picture's Avatar
    I checked some old OSs (10.0.9.prerelease), and Hammerhead and Tigershark are still there. My guess still is that it's the first non-OMAP device they thought of. There's also something called a Nelson, but I think that's a prototype Q10.
    Hey thurask just wondering has BlackBerry been known to make last minute changes to devices in development?

    Im asking this because I remember reading that windermere is to use a snapdragon 800.

    Im "hoping" its gonna be a 615 or a 610"

    Which was the device rumored to have the 64 bit octocore?

    BB10 - call blocking please, BBM - too many to list
    05-19-14 03:26 PM
  10. thurask's Avatar
    Hey thurask just wondering has BlackBerry been known to make last minute changes to devices in development?

    Im asking this because I remember reading that windermere is to use a snapdragon 800.

    Im "hoping" its gonna be a 615 or a 610"

    Which was the device rumored to have the 64 bit octocore?

    BB10 - call blocking please, BBM - too many to list
    The ARM64 device (which, if it were to happen, would be a Snapdragon 810) was merely a rumor, and there's nothing inside the OS to give anything further.

    As for Windermere, the processor is a Snapdragon 800 or 801. Snapdragon 6xx would in fact be a drop in clock speed, memory bandwidth and other things besides core count. Furthermore, it would delay the phone even further.
    05-19-14 03:42 PM
  11. The Big Picture's Avatar
    The ARM64 device (which, if it were to happen, would be a Snapdragon 810) was merely a rumor, and there's nothing inside the OS to give anything further.

    As for Windermere, the processor is a Snapdragon 800 or 801. Snapdragon 6xx would in fact be a drop in clock speed, memory bandwidth and other things besides core count. Furthermore, it would delay the phone even further.
    Thanks for that. Always a reliable source of information.



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    05-19-14 03:49 PM
  12. ofutur's Avatar
    Hey thurask just wondering has BlackBerry been known to make last minute changes to devices in development?
    It depends on what you call last minute. Most series have a development platform and model on which the release models are built. It requires lots of hardware and radio testing to certify the test device which will be used as the base for the phones customers will put their hands on and once they're happy with the test device, you can expect a launch within 6-9 months. You can forget about major changes such as a change of SoC during that time period, but what can happen is for 2 different variations of the same model to be in testing.
    That's what has happened with the Z30 with both the A and AQ series being tested at the same time, which lead to confusing rumours about the specs of the device. The same happens with Samsung btw and since they have so many models in the works all the time, it's not always easy to understand which feature will end up in what phone.
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    05-19-14 04:06 PM
  13. The Big Picture's Avatar
    It depends on what you call last minute. Most series have a development platform and model on which the release models are built. It requires lots of hardware and radio testing to certify the test device which will be used as the base for the phones customers will put their hands on and once they're happy with the test device, you can expect a launch within 6-9 months. You can forget about major changes such as a change of SoC during that time period, but what can happen is for 2 different variations of the same model to be in testing.
    That's what has happened with the Z30 with both the A and AQ series being tested at the same time, which lead to confusing rumours about the specs of the device. The same happens with Samsung btw and since they have so many models in the works all the time, it's not always easy to understand which feature will end up in what phone.
    Thanks for the reply. Im adjusting my expectations for the Q30 after yours and thurask's replies.

    BlackBerry has gone through some changes since john chen took over. For example the Z3 took only 4 months from conception to market release which is supposedly some kind of record, as mentioned by john chen himself in the NYT article.

    Looks like a qualcomm 800 quadcore is the most probable SoC for the Q30 then. Its not bad but I was hoping for some "extra" surprises.

    BB10 - call blocking please, BBM - too many to list
    05-19-14 04:12 PM
  14. ofutur's Avatar
    BlackBerry has gone through some changes since john chen took over. For example the Z3 took only 4 months from conception to market release which is supposedly some kind of record, as mentioned by john chen himself in the NYT article.
    Yes, but the Z3 is a Caf series phone built by Foxconn, so all the hard work had been done already. BlackBerry just couldn't build it for cheap enough. The same can happen with a Z40 where Foxconn builds Ontario in 6 months, but it would be a no-surprise phone, not really a flagship phone.

    The extra surprises might still come from the use of the co-processors (voice commands) and other features implemented in software. I think BlackBerry prefers it if you connect the phone to gadgets/sensors instead of them trying to cram everything they can think of in a small package.

    The work environment recognises your device and connects you to everything you need wirelessly and you can still plug in other stuff, like an ethernet cable if you need to.
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    05-19-14 04:33 PM
  15. thurask's Avatar
    Yes, but the Z3 is a Caf series phone built by Foxconn, so all the hard work had been done already. BlackBerry just couldn't build it for cheap enough. The same can happen with a Z40 where Foxconn builds Ontario in 6 months, but it would be a no-surprise phone, not really a flagship phone.

    The extra surprises might still come from the use of the co-processors (voice commands) and other features implemented in software. I think BlackBerry prefers it if you connect the phone to gadgets/sensors instead of them trying to cram everything they can think of in a small package.

    The work environment recognises your device and connects you to everything you need wirelessly and you can still plug in other stuff, like an ethernet cable if you need to.
    Exactly. The only difference between Cafe and Jakarta is the screen size, screen resolution and battery. Everything else has been done before.
    05-19-14 04:46 PM
  16. anon5814103's Avatar
    Furthermore, it would delay the phone even further.
    Just wondering what you mean by this? Apart from taking a cheap shot at blackberry "they always delay things" I haven't read anything about it being constantly delayed..? No challenging you, but interested to know what I've missed

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    05-19-14 08:40 PM
  17. thurask's Avatar
    Just wondering what you mean by this? Apart from taking a cheap shot at blackberry "they always delay things" I haven't read anything about it being constantly delayed..? No challenging you, but interested to know what I've missed

    Posted via CB10
    In the primordial ooze of 10.2.0 was the AQ series, the standard Z30 but with a Qualcomm 8974 chip inside. It was canned when BlackBerry realized they couldn't get it to market anytime soon with the OS they had, so they planned some 8974-based devices for the future. Those two are Windermere and Ontario, and their specs have been essentially finalized since September 2013.

    So when Windermere finally drops (let's say September) we'll get a phone that's one year old, with development starting even earlier than that. Switching to a different line of processors would start the cycle again.
    05-19-14 10:24 PM
  18. anon5814103's Avatar
    In the primordial ooze of 10.2.0 was the AQ series, the standard Z30 but with a Qualcomm 8974 chip inside. It was canned when BlackBerry realized they couldn't get it to market anytime soon with the OS they had, so they planned some 8974-based devices for the future. Those two are Windermere and Ontario, and their specs have been essentially finalized since September 2013.

    So when Windermere finally drops (let's say September) we'll get a phone that's one year old, with development starting even earlier than that. Switching to a different line of processors would start the cycle again.
    Thanks for explaining that. What are your thoughts on this? (how it will effect the device etc etc)

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    05-20-14 09:14 AM
  19. thurask's Avatar
    Thanks for explaining that. What are your thoughts on this? (how it will effect the device etc etc)

    Posted via CB10
    At least they've had done all of the work necessary to transition their device lineup from 8960 to 8974, so they can get things done earlier in comparison. The Foxconn deal should also speed things up.

    As for the performance of an 8974 phone, imagine the Galaxy S5.

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    05-20-14 09:51 AM
  20. thurask's Avatar
    Of course I have to leave before I can get a good look at this, but any idea what a china_sfi board does?

    Code:
    http://cdn.fs.sl.blackberry.com/fs/qnx/production/4e7ef04ef8cd8e06cfca18dd1db7ea8387dc9a49/com.qnx.coreos.qcfm.os.qc8960.china_sfi/10.2.0.1443/qc8960.china_sfi-10.2.0.1443-nto+armle-v7+signed.bar
    http://cdn.fs.sl.blackberry.com/fs/qnx/production/4e7ef04ef8cd8e06cfca18dd1db7ea8387dc9a49/com.qnx.coreos.qcfm.os.qc8960.china_sfi.desktop/10.2.0.1443/qc8960.china_sfi.desktop-10.2.0.1443-nto+armle-v7+signed.bar
    05-21-14 02:44 PM
  21. ofutur's Avatar
    I think it's just the OS which works with the Chinese radio.

    If you check the scripts, you should find some switches making reference to those boards. They probably had to fork the OS due to some legal requirements.
    05-21-14 02:57 PM
  22. Deckard79's Avatar
    Of course I have to leave before I can get a good look at this, but any idea what a china_sfi board does?

    Code:
    http://cdn.fs.sl.blackberry.com/fs/qnx/production/4e7ef04ef8cd8e06cfca18dd1db7ea8387dc9a49/com.qnx.coreos.qcfm.os.qc8960.china_sfi/10.2.0.1443/qc8960.china_sfi-10.2.0.1443-nto+armle-v7+signed.bar
    http://cdn.fs.sl.blackberry.com/fs/qnx/production/4e7ef04ef8cd8e06cfca18dd1db7ea8387dc9a49/com.qnx.coreos.qcfm.os.qc8960.china_sfi.desktop/10.2.0.1443/qc8960.china_sfi.desktop-10.2.0.1443-nto+armle-v7+signed.bar
    Interesting find, though I have no idea what this is meant for.

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    05-21-14 03:00 PM
  23. thurask's Avatar
    I think it's just the OS which works with the Chinese radio.

    If you check the scripts, you should find some switches making reference to those boards. They probably had to fork the OS due to some legal requirements.
    I compared Chinese 1443 and ROW 1443 to see which apps are unique:

    1443_US
    com.foursquare.blackberry-10.2.0.1
    com.rim.bb.app.facebook-10.2.1.13
    com.twitter-10.2.0.1
    sys.cfs.dropbox-1.2.0.44
    sys.socialconnect.facebook-10.1.1.88
    sys.socialconnect.twitter-10.1.1.88
    sys.socialconnect.youtube-10.1.1.88
    sys.uri.youtube-10.2.0.163

    1443_CN
    com.rim.bb.app.jinshankuaipan-1.0.2.15
    com.rim.bb.app.lunarCalendar-1.0.2.1
    com.rim.bb.app.youku-10.2.0.6
    sys.socialconnect.china-10.2.0.21

    Oddly, china_sfi is only valid for 10.2.0.783 and 10.2.0.1443 (maybe 10.2.0.1047 if we found it while it was downloadable). Perhaps intended for the canceled TD-LTE Z30.

    On a related note, you wouldn't happen to know what's the OS name for 8974-based OSs, would you? I already tried the expected com.qnx.coreos.qcfm.os.qc8974.factory_sfi but no results.
    05-21-14 09:53 PM
  24. ofutur's Avatar
    Oddly, china_sfi is only valid for 10.2.0.783 and 10.2.0.1443 (maybe 10.2.0.1047 if we found it while it was downloadable). Perhaps intended for the canceled TD-LTE Z30.
    Yes, that's when it started to appear, along with some builds for 8974.
    On a related note, you wouldn't happen to know what's the OS name for 8974-based OSs, would you? I already tried the expected com.qnx.coreos.qcfm.os.qc8974.factory_sfi but no results.
    That should be the correct file, but there could be wrt, wrt2, wrt5 or wrt6 versions and I don't except these build to be available on production servers until they become available to all.
    05-22-14 06:41 AM
  25. thurask's Avatar
    Well, now that exFAT support is official, any way to isolate the URL for the drivers from looking through the OS?

    Posted via CB10
    05-27-14 10:47 PM
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