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  1. MAJ009's Avatar
    My take is that the Ontario project has not moved an inch this year. They've focused on Windermere and on the Classic Bold for 10.3 and both should land at around the same time 10.3.1 launches since they don't seem to be interested in launching Windermere earlier (I'm told). I don't expect a mid/high-end touch device until 2015. The Z3 LTE will be a low-end replacement for the Z10.
    Hopefully, they've started work on a high-end 64bit touch device in a different branch of the OS, because while most people don't care much about the internals of their qwerty device as long as it gets the job done, the touch market is much more competitive and you need some bells and whistles to be in the top 5 smartphones of the year.
    I see...thanks for your take on it, although it breaks my heart ;(

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    05-13-14 07:53 AM
  2. AbAll87's Avatar
    I would like to thank you guys for doing the research and letting us know... come here whenever I can to read...

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    05-13-14 08:04 AM
  3. RodolfoAP's Avatar
    I want that Windermere

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    05-13-14 08:53 AM
  4. ofutur's Avatar
    I want that Windermere
    Me too, but only if the OS has been optimised for it. Without an alt button, I'm hoping they're including some clever gestures to be able to type what we want quickly and I'm hoping they're going to use that 20% extra space on the right in the hub to include some quick navigation/filter options.
    05-13-14 09:10 AM
  5. Ragbert's Avatar
    Just curious... Which parts of the Classic do you think will be based on the 8960 (was that a Curve?), and how can you tell? I'm really looking forward to the Classic, but I hope the name doesn't turn out to be a euphemism for "here's your damn toolbelt on a BB10 device but don't expect the latest innards too".

    The good news is that the Classic will have a new modem with more bands. The bad news is that it will be based on the ancient 8960. This sounds more and more like a recycling exercise to use all the components they couldn't use in the Q10.


    Posted with my Q10, SQN100-2, 10.2.1.2947/2274 Radio
    05-13-14 10:12 AM
  6. RodolfoAP's Avatar
    Me too, but only if the OS has been optimised for it. Without an alt button, I'm hoping they're including some clever gestures to be able to type what we want quickly and I'm hoping they're going to use that 20% extra space on the right in the hub to include some quick navigation/filter options.
    I agree 100% and they also need to make it look good, it can't be as ugly as the device picture that leaked a while back.

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    05-13-14 10:22 AM
  7. thurask's Avatar
    Just curious... Which parts of the Classic do you think will be based on the 8960 (was that a Curve?), and how can you tell? I'm really looking forward to the Classic, but I hope the name doesn't turn out to be a euphemism for "here's your damn toolbelt on a BB10 device but don't expect the latest innards too".

    Posted with my Q10, SQN100-2, 10.2.1.2947/2274 Radio
    By 8960, he means the Qualcomm 8960 chip (inside the Q10 and Z10).

    As for hardware divination, we know for sure that the Classic has the same WiFi/BT chip, radio, sensors, graphics hardware and screen resolution as the Q10, and the device properties file for the Classic is a redirect to that of the Q10.
    05-13-14 11:11 AM
  8. ofutur's Avatar
    I need to think about some offerings for the next big sacrifice so that we can keep our hardware divination powers

    "Snap" is the best stop-gap solution for Android apps while we wait for BlackBerry to get its act together...
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    05-13-14 02:29 PM
  9. thanasi's Avatar
    My take is that the Ontario project has not moved an inch this year. They've focused on Windermere and on the Classic Bold for 10.3 and both should land at around the same time 10.3.1 launches since they don't seem to be interested in launching Windermere earlier (I'm told). I don't expect a mid/high-end touch device until 2015. The Z3 LTE will be a low-end replacement for the Z10.
    Hopefully, they've started work on a high-end 64bit touch device in a different branch of the OS, because while most people don't care much about the internals of their qwerty device as long as it gets the job done, the touch market is much more competitive and you need some bells and whistles to be in the top 5 smartphones of the year.
    I believe the Ontario project will be scrapped, much like the Cafe and Kopi were. The way I see it, they are focusing on the keyboard devices for this year and will then focus on designing a great high end touch device for Q1 2015.

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    05-13-14 04:39 PM
  10. txmxrex's Avatar
    I have long suspected that the Classic would be more of a mid-tier device. BlackBerry seems to be positioning it as the device that corporations will buy in volume for their employees and that cannot be a $500+ device. I expect the classic with Q10 internals to retail and $350. It will be a nice surprise if they field the classic at a sub $200 price as that should reignite some QWERTY momentum especially if the Z3 does well.

    Windermere seems to be the high end QWERTY flagship device that is targeted at the Q10 crowd. BlackBerry wouldn't develop two devices for the same segment when they can barely sell one device to a segment these days.
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    05-13-14 04:47 PM
  11. hashtagwinning's Avatar
    Gimme a slider haha.
    05-13-14 05:56 PM
  12. Ragbert's Avatar
    Thanks for clearing that up, thurask. (whew!) So is the chip inside the Q10 really considered "ancient" already?

    By 8960, he means the Qualcomm 8960 chip (inside the Q10 and Z10).

    As for hardware divination, we know for sure that the Classic has the same WiFi/BT chip, radio, sensors, graphics hardware and screen resolution as the Q10, and the device properties file for the Classic is a redirect to that of the Q10.


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    05-13-14 06:27 PM
  13. thurask's Avatar
    Thanks for clearing that up, thurask. (whew!) So is the chip inside the Q10 really considered "ancient" already?

    Posted with my Q10, SQN100-2, 10.2.1.2947/2274 Radio
    Compared to the other phones in Qualcomm's chip stable, yes. The quad-core 8974 (Ontario/Windermere) is now becoming commonplace, and Qualcomm recently announced 6-8 core chips. It's a Galaxy S3 processor in a phone coming out in 2014 when the Galaxy S4 and S5 have already overtaken it.

    Of course, for a phone with a trackpad, it's the cutting edge.

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    05-13-14 06:33 PM
  14. Ragbert's Avatar
    Wow, I had no idea. I love the Q10 - it fits nicely in my hands, it's very responsive, I've had no double-typing issues with it, and other than a slightly larger screen and easier to focus camera, I couldn't ask for more in a phone.

    Also, "thanks" to Verizon's 2-year contract, I'll be using this Q10 until mid-2015. So I look at all the new models with envy, knowing I can't consider buying one unless I find a good off-contract deal and only use it on wi-fi.

    Lol @ your "cutting edge" remark though! :-D

    Compared to the other phones in Qualcomm's chip stable, yes. The quad-core 8974 (Ontario/Windermere) is now becoming commonplace, and Qualcomm recently announced 6-8 core chips. It's a Galaxy S3 processor in a phone coming out in 2014 when the Galaxy S4 and S5 have already overtaken it.

    Of course, for a phone with a trackpad, it's the cutting edge.

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    05-13-14 06:55 PM
  15. mithrazor's Avatar
    I guess it's smart that they're waiting until mid-2015 to release full touch then. People will be due for an upgrade for all the ones that bought Z10s and Q10s.

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    05-14-14 12:34 AM
  16. sayf777's Avatar
    So I'm guessing that the 3 or 4 devices to be released this year will not include a high end touch but the "z3 lte"?

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    05-14-14 01:52 AM
  17. thurask's Avatar
    So I'm guessing that the 3 or 4 devices to be released this year will not include a high end touch but the "z3 lte"?

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    Windermere, Khan, Classic and Ivan, looks like.

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    05-14-14 01:54 AM
  18. hashtagwinning's Avatar
    Windermere is that 5 inch qwerty and Khan is the Porsche Q10 but what is the Ivan?

    Also I'd be surprised if they cancel the Ontario.
    05-14-14 02:49 AM
  19. Omnitech's Avatar
    I believe the Ontario project will be scrapped, much like the Cafe and Kopi were. The way I see it, they are focusing on the keyboard devices for this year and will then focus on designing a great high end touch device for Q1 2015.

    That sounds like a really lousy time of year to come out with a consumer-focused device.

    Didn't work so hot for the Z10 either.
    05-14-14 03:12 AM
  20. thanasi's Avatar
    That sounds like a really lousy time of year to come out with a consumer-focused device.

    Didn't work so hot for the Z10 either.
    Unfortunately it is, but that's what the roadmap seems to look like.

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    05-14-14 03:14 AM
  21. sayf777's Avatar
    Windermere, Khan, Classic and Ivan, looks like.

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    If ivan is the z3 then I understood the article to mean one more touch screen after the z3 for this year?

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    05-14-14 07:26 AM
  22. thurask's Avatar
    If ivan is the z3 then I understood the article to mean one more touch screen after the z3 for this year?

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    No, Jat is the Z3 that just came out. Ivan is the international model.

    Windermere is that 5 inch qwerty and Khan is the Porsche Q10 but what is the Ivan?

    Also I'd be surprised if they cancel the Ontario.
    I think you should be surprised, then.

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    05-14-14 09:07 AM
  23. theninjew's Avatar
    No, Jat is the Z3 that just came out. Ivan is the international model.



    I think you should be surprised, then.

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    So what's the full touch screen phone that Chen mentioned about yesterday?

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    05-14-14 09:11 AM
  24. thurask's Avatar
    So what's the full touch screen phone that Chen mentioned about yesterday?

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    Unless they're planning on making a rush replacement for Ontario, it's Ivan.

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    05-14-14 09:27 AM
  25. ofutur's Avatar
    So what's the full touch screen phone that Chen mentioned about yesterday?

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    He never gave any timeline.

    I'm not sure Ivan counts as a new device, unless they increase some of its specs, but why do that?

    So...

    Qwerty
    Elite: P'9983
    Flagship: One (Windermere)
    Standard: Classic Bold

    That's 3

    Touch
    Flagship: One Touch (Ontario case filled by Foxconn ?)
    Standard: Z3 LTE

    We know the Z3 LTE is not for 2014, but it could be the 4th device until the Z30 refresh 18 months later, built by Foxconn.


    And let's not forget their Pro Receiver which could be some sort of BlackCast
    05-14-14 10:07 AM
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