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  1. thurask's Avatar
    I recall the Press Release for the Classic mentioned the screen will be 3.5inch rather than the Q10's 3.1inch. When you are seeing details that suggest the Classic is merely a gussied up Q10, are you seeing evidence of this 3.5 screen?

    I am concerned that they have backed it down to 3.1 since the press release...

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    So far, the internals appear to be similar to that of the Q10. The WiFi hardware is the same, although what would really be definitive is a Q10 radio (which will come with the SDK). Furthermore, the screen is definitely 720x720, and the .public files for the Classic give it (and Khan) the same screen size as the Q10. It might just be a placeholder, but I have a feeling BBRY reneged on the 3.5" plan.
    05-11-14 01:46 PM
  2. ofutur's Avatar
    Found Classicatt and mtp8930pro in 10.3.0.296.
    So, ClassicNA has been renamed into ClassicATT and ClassicNA is a new model
    05-11-14 03:28 PM
  3. thurask's Avatar
    So, ClassicNA has been renamed into ClassicATT and ClassicNA is a new model
    Probably a repeat of the STA100-1/STA100-5 business. Except both of these should come out, not just one.

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    05-11-14 06:58 PM
  4. thurask's Avatar
    They've got a new radio, I see mentions of qc8960-wtr6 inside these radios: http://forums.crackberry.com/bb10-le...77/index2.html

    And from that Q10 radio:

    r044
    r092
    r084
    r093
    r085
    r094
    newport
    newark
    r085devalphac
    khanb
    khane
    classicatt
    classicvzw
    classicrow
    classicna
    05-12-14 10:09 AM
  5. thurask's Avatar
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    Why a Snapdragon S3?
    05-12-14 11:33 AM
  6. ofutur's Avatar
    They've got a new radio, I see mentions of qc8960-wtr6 inside these radios: http://forums.crackberry.com/bb10-le...77/index2.html

    And from that Q10 radio:

    r044
    r092
    r084
    r093
    r085
    r094
    newport
    newark
    r085devalphac
    khanb
    khane
    classicatt
    classicvzw
    classicrow
    classicna
    The good news is that the Classic will have a new modem with more bands. The bad news is that it will be based on the ancient 8960. This sounds more and more like a recycling exercise to use all the components they couldn't use in the Q10.
    05-12-14 12:00 PM
  7. thurask's Avatar
    The good news is that the Classic will have a new modem with more bands. The bad news is that it will be based on the ancient 8960. This sounds more and more like a recycling exercise to use all the components they couldn't use in the Q10.
    The Z30 radio is bloated due to new firmware, but wtr6 doesn't appear to be for new devices, just for the A-series.

    KhanE: HSPA+ bands 1/2/10/6/8, LTE bands 3/7/8/20
    KhanB: HSPA+ bands 1/2/10/6, LTE bands 2/4/10/17
    05-12-14 12:07 PM
  8. ofutur's Avatar
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    Why a Snapdragon S3?
    Well, either they're importing some very old files (R017 product number!) or Qualcomm is recycling some of it's numbers, like they did when introducing the SnapDragon families.
    05-12-14 12:19 PM
  9. thurask's Avatar
    Well, either they're importing some very old files (R017 product number!) or Qualcomm is recycling some of it's numbers, like they did when introducing the SnapDragon families.
    I doubt it's the second one, but the first one doesn't make sense either. As for what it is, my guess is that's it's a primordial device from back when this was all BBX. On a Torch.

    Edit: Since the 9860 had a Snapdragon S2 inside of it, this might not be so far-fetched.
    05-12-14 12:36 PM
  10. ofutur's Avatar
    I doubt it's the second one, but the first one doesn't make sense either. As for what it is, my guess is that's it's a primordial device from back when this was all BBX. On a Torch.

    Edit: Since the 9860 had a Snapdragon S2 inside of it, this might not be so far-fetched.
    I've had time to check the files and it's definitely ancient. Could be the PlayBook 2 or some dumb tablet project they're trying to revive. That thing doesn't need a lot of horse power if it only displays content broadcast by Fuse, but that chip can't handle qHD, so maybe those blocks are placeholders for now...
    05-12-14 12:58 PM
  11. ofutur's Avatar
    And bad news for people like me who manually switch language using their hardware keyboards...Windermere won't have a hardware or software ALT key. It seems to have a virtual left SHIFT key though.
    05-12-14 01:01 PM
  12. thurask's Avatar
    Maybe Windermere is in fact that ugly POS spotted a while ago.

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    05-12-14 02:05 PM
  13. smart548's Avatar
    Maybe Windermere is in fact that ugly POS spotted a while ago.

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    Let's hope it will be efficient(fast enough),with a HUGE battery and a great build quality. After that,if they'll polish it,it would be better but not so fundamental..
    05-12-14 02:10 PM
  14. thurask's Avatar
    Let's hope it will be efficient(fast enough),with a HUGE battery and a great build quality. After that,if they'll polish it,it would be better but not so fundamental..
    It's definitely theft-proof, so it has that going for it.
    05-12-14 02:17 PM
  15. ofutur's Avatar
    The Z30 radio is bloated due to new firmware, but wtr6 doesn't appear to be for new devices, just for the A-series.
    I see what you mean now... They've included the firmware for 2 different modems in the Z30 radio. Maybe they'll transition to wtr6, maybe it's a mistake or maybe some models of the phone can somehow use both. I'm not a radio specialist (and don't want to be), so I'm not sure how the hardware uses those files.
    05-12-14 04:29 PM
  16. thurask's Avatar
    I see what you mean now... They've included the firmware for 2 different modems in the Z30 radio. Maybe they'll transition to wtr6, maybe it's a mistake or maybe some models of the phone can somehow use both. I'm not a radio specialist (and don't want to be), so I'm not sure how the hardware uses those files.
    Perhaps. Should be interesting to follow over time.

    By the way, I think BlackBerry finally killed off the Colt. Even though it would choke on 10.1 (let alone anything else), the m5730 radio's supported device list is now just the London.

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    05-12-14 05:43 PM
  17. sayf777's Avatar
    Oftur, thurask does it potentially mean more bands/better signal or what exactly with regards to the change in the Z30 radio?

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    05-12-14 07:23 PM
  18. jonesy39's Avatar
    So I love this thread and all the work being done to dissect. Any new info on a high end touch device?



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    05-12-14 11:19 PM
  19. thurask's Avatar
    So I love this thread and all the work being done to dissect. Any new info on a high end touch device?



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    Nothing besides Ontario, although pretty much all that's remaining for Ontario is a release date.
    05-12-14 11:55 PM
  20. TylerXIII's Avatar
    And Ontario is the Full touch screen one right @thurask?

    Posted from my BlackBerry Z30 on Rogers with the 10.3 leak!
    05-12-14 11:57 PM
  21. thurask's Avatar
    And Ontario is the Full touch screen one right @thurask?

    Posted from my BlackBerry Z30 on Rogers with the 10.3 leak!
    O SERIES
    Full touch based on Tigris v4 which was has been downgraded to mid-tier
    5" 1080p OLED
    MSM8974AB - 2.36 GHz quad-core Krait 400 - Adreno 330
    ETA: ?
    NO REMOVABLE BATTERY
    HW IDs: 0xb400240a / 0xb600240a / 0xae00240a / 0xaf00240a /
    • R122 - OntarioNA NA
    • R123 - OntarioVZW Verizon
    • R124 - OntarioSprint Sprint
    • R125 - OntarioFDD World phone FD-LTE
    • R138 - OntarioTDD World phone TD-LTE
    • Rxxxx - OntarioChina China
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    05-13-14 12:57 AM
  22. MAJ009's Avatar
    Posted via CB10
    Thurask, so what I understand Ontario will be a mid tier device and not a high end flagship touch device?
    And if it is not, then it means no beast touch device this year?

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    05-13-14 01:35 AM
  23. Marios199546's Avatar
    Thurask, so what I understand Ontario will be a mid tier device and not a high end flagship touch device?
    And if it is not, then it means no beast touch device this year?

    Posted via CB10
    Don't forget the nanthealth deal....
    Because thurask and Ofutur found nothing about new full touch flagship, it doesn't mean that it won't come anytime soon.

    Posted via CB10
    05-13-14 03:11 AM
  24. Tank1978's Avatar
    Those specs on the ontario look great compared to what's out right now, no? The Z30 has a l.7G so a 2.3 would be a big improvement

    Posted via CB10
    05-13-14 06:39 AM
  25. ofutur's Avatar
    My take is that the Ontario project has not moved an inch this year. They've focused on Windermere and on the Classic Bold for 10.3 and both should land at around the same time 10.3.1 launches since they don't seem to be interested in launching Windermere earlier (I'm told). I don't expect a mid/high-end touch device until 2015. The Z3 LTE will be a low-end replacement for the Z10.
    Hopefully, they've started work on a high-end 64bit touch device in a different branch of the OS, because while most people don't care much about the internals of their qwerty device as long as it gets the job done, the touch market is much more competitive and you need some bells and whistles to be in the top 5 smartphones of the year.
    05-13-14 07:47 AM
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