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  1. mattyjjenkins's Avatar
    So can someone just clear this up for me because I'm new to all this APK and side loading I've always been a happy BB user with just what BBWorld had although I was always a little frustrated that I couldn't get some of the top APP's.
    So if I use SNAP10 will my SnapChat account be locked? Also is this the same with IGRANN-PRO? And one last thing is, will I be safe if I use the official SNAPCHAT APP and INSTAGRAM APP I've downloaded through SNAP?
    Sorry to sound dumb to the hardcore of you lot but I only fell in love with BlackBerry at the 9900.

    Somebody please help?? From a rather confused PassPort user from the UK!?

    9900 Q10 PassPort
    02-19-15 07:54 AM
  2. jmr1015's Avatar
    This where people should DUMP SnapChat ASAP.

    Posted by Q5
    Well, if you're using a platform where snapchat is not officially available, and snapchat is cutting off third party apps and locking accounts of people who use third party clients... It's more, Snapchat is dumping those people... So they don't need to dump snapchat. Snapchat will get around to dumping them in due time.
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    02-19-15 02:07 PM
  3. witting's Avatar
    AFAIK instagram doesn't do anything against 3rd-party apps but snapchat does and will also block when used sideloaded, don't use snapchat at all.

    Posted via CB10
    02-19-15 04:43 PM
  4. CarGuy1368's Avatar
    Snapchat shouldn't remove Snap10 from BlackBerry World unless they are willing to replace it with their own native application.

    After all, it's their fault that these 3rd party applications exist.

    Posted via the super amazing BlackBerry Q10
    02-19-15 08:15 PM
  5. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    Snapchat shouldn't remove Snap10 from BlackBerry World unless they are willing to replace it with their own native application.

    After all, it's their fault that these 3rd party applications exist.
    Snapchat should do whatever they want with THEIR service. If they lose users because of it, that's a separate problem, but it's their own problem. And I don't think they're going to miss the insignificant number of users that leave because they don't support blackberry.
    02-20-15 09:32 AM
  6. ZanBB's Avatar
    Snapchat shouldn't remove Snap10 from BlackBerry World unless they are willing to replace it with their own native application.

    After all, it's their fault that these 3rd party applications exist.

    Posted via the super amazing BlackBerry Q10
    Well yeah, obviously...

    If I have a wife and you don't, it's my fault if you sleep with her cause I haven't provided you one. *facepalm*

    Edit: I do not think of women as a property. This analogy was used as it seems people in this thread apparently don't have any regard for material ownership (maybe a bit on the emotional side will clear it up).
    Last edited by ZanBB; 02-21-15 at 02:12 AM.
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    02-21-15 01:49 AM
  7. ZanBB's Avatar
    So can someone just clear this up for me because I'm new to all this APK and side loading I've always been a happy BB user with just what BBWorld had although I was always a little frustrated that I couldn't get some of the top APP's.
    So if I use SNAP10 will my SnapChat account be locked? Also is this the same with IGRANN-PRO? And one last thing is, will I be safe if I use the official SNAPCHAT APP and INSTAGRAM APP I've downloaded through SNAP?
    Sorry to sound dumb to the hardcore of you lot but I only fell in love with BlackBerry at the 9900.

    Somebody please help?? From a rather confused PassPort user from the UK!?

    9900 Q10 PassPort
    I don't use their services so I'm not entirely sure what are your options. If I recall correctly, they are banning accounts also on Google store basis (if the app doesn't use it, you get banned - for Android app), so even official app could get you banned cause you can't use GS services. There might be a work-around but I'm not aware of any. If you use Snap 10, your account will get banned sooner or later.
    Instagram currently seems fine with 3rd party apps. So your account should not be at risk for the time being.

    Posted with Q5 Pigeons
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    02-21-15 01:57 AM
  8. CarGuy1368's Avatar
    Well yeah, obviously...

    If I have a wife and you don't, it's my fault if you sleep with her cause I haven't provided you one. *facepalm*

    Edit: I do not think of women as a property. This analogy was used as it seems people in this thread apparently don't have any regard for material ownership (maybe a bit on the emotional side will clear it up).
    I understand that Snapchat does have ownership over their own service/trademarks and they have every right to remove Snap10/snap2chat. What I mean is that if there was a native Snapchat app in BlackBerry World, there would be no reason for a developer to make a third party application because most would prefer the official application.

    Sure, there are third party applications for Twitter and Instagram, but unless I'm mistaken, their policies are different about third party applications.
    02-21-15 03:49 PM
  9. ZanBB's Avatar
    I understand that Snapchat does have ownership over their own service/trademarks and they have every right to remove Snap10/snap2chat. What I mean is that if there was a native Snapchat app in BlackBerry World, there would be no reason for a developer to make a third party application because most would prefer the official application.

    Sure, there are third party applications for Twitter and Instagram, but unless I'm mistaken, their policies are different about third party applications.
    No matter of presence of official app, developers do not have any valid reason to steal API. To approach the company and try to make a deal is the right way to go.

    Instagram actually prohibits the use of their API (would need to check if it's just for paid apps or free as well), but for now, they don't mind 3rd party apps. At least to the extent to take them down.

    Twitter allows the use of API for 3rd party clients.

    Posted with Q5 Pigeons
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    02-21-15 04:32 PM
  10. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    I understand that Snapchat does have ownership over their own service/trademarks and they have every right to remove Snap10/snap2chat. What I mean is that if there was a native Snapchat app in BlackBerry World, there would be no reason for a developer to make a third party application because most would prefer the official application.
    The flaw in your observation, is the assumption that the lack of an official Snapchat client for BB somehow gives a legitimate or entitled reason for a developer to make a 3rd party client regardless of Snapchat's consent.

    Basically what you're saying is..."If you don't support our platform, it's completely within reason that we pirate/steal from your service". Which is obviously not a reasonable assumption.

    If you honestly "understood" that Snapchat has ownership... then you'd honestly "understand" that without their support for your preferred platform, you're pretty much outa luck.
    02-21-15 06:32 PM
  11. deadcowboy's Avatar
    If Nem hadn't been dishonest with customer information and using it to make money in a dishonest way, this probably wouldn't have happened.

    I bet we'll have these app makers coming down hard on all third party bb devs who are tapping into these API's. Even if it's not for making money. Security risk is too high, and it's something they have to keep an eye on. Ugh.
    02-22-15 03:56 AM
  12. mattyjjenkins's Avatar
    I don't use their services so I'm not entirely sure what are your options. If I recall correctly, they are banning accounts also on Google store basis (if the app doesn't use it, you get banned - for Android app), so even official app could get you banned cause you can't use GS services. There might be a work-around but I'm not aware of any. If you use Snap 10, your account will get banned sooner or later.
    Instagram currently seems fine with 3rd party apps. So your account should not be at risk for the time being.

    Posted with Q5 Pigeons


    Thank you for your help. So just to clear it up - its defiantly a NO GO for SnapChap for us PassPort users which ever way we access SC, either by SNAP (Google play Android loader) or SNAP10 (the APP that cost me 2)? Sorry to go on just defiantly need it straight in my head - don't wanna get my account closed, deleted, shutdown etc...
    02-22-15 01:32 PM
  13. CarGuy1368's Avatar
    The flaw in your observation, is the assumption that the lack of an official Snapchat client for BB somehow gives a legitimate or entitled reason for a developer to make a 3rd party client regardless of Snapchat's consent.

    Basically what you're saying is..."If you don't support our platform, it's completely within reason that we pirate/steal from your service". Which is obviously not a reasonable assumption.

    If you honestly "understood" that Snapchat has ownership... then you'd honestly "understand" that without their support for your preferred platform, you're pretty much outa luck.
    I did not say the developers have the right to use Snapchat's services. In fact, I am not a fan of Snap2chat/Snap10 because the developer is making money off a service that he does not provide. I agree with what you're saying. I apologize if my first post sounds ignorant... I did not intend for it to sound that way, but looking back at it, I can see why you would believe that I think that. Sorry for the misunderstanding
    02-22-15 08:02 PM
  14. deadcowboy's Avatar
    I did not say the developers have the right to use Snapchat's services. In fact, I am not a fan of Snap2chat/Snap10 because the developer is making money off a service that he does not provide. I agree with what you're saying. I apologize if my first post sounds ignorant... I did not intend for it to sound that way, but looking back at it, I can see why you would believe that I think that. Sorry for the misunderstanding
    To back up some of you who are critical of this:

    Superpopular third-part apps should be expecting third party apps that crib their api if they don't offer a version of their app on every major operating system (and bb10 is a major os).

    It's not right that third party apps are being made (and in such ugly ways in our case), but it is to be expected, and it's going to happen. Inevitable with a large enough user base.

    Snapchat has the cash to produce a native Bb10 app--it's not hard to do. So I'm glad to see them subverted. Screw them. It may not be right, but they're still bunch of ****s.
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    02-22-15 09:22 PM
  15. jmr1015's Avatar
    Snapchat has the cash to produce a native Bb10 app--it's not hard to do. So I'm glad to see them subverted. Screw them. It may not be right, but they're still bunch of ****s.
    SnapChat could produce a native BB10 app... but why would they? That's the issue. For fun? For charity? To be "nice" or "fair"?

    How much does it cost them to produce? How much to maintain and update? Then, how much is that investment worth? Clearly, they have an idea of the number of SnapChat users are on BB10 by seeing the usage stats of the 3rd party apps they are shutting down... and they seem pretty comfortable losing those users if push comes to shove, considering they are locking user accounts if those users continue to use 3rd party clients.

    Snapchat is a business. Shutting down 3rd party clients is a business decision. Supporting or not supporting any platform, be it BB10, Tizen, whatever... is a business decision.

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    02-23-15 12:38 AM
  16. KermEd's Avatar
    It's not right that third party apps are being made (and in such ugly ways in our case), but it is to be expected, and it's going to happen. Inevitable with a large enough user base.
    You could make this same statement about anything including meth and graphic videos of children. Agreed though that it doesn't make it legal or ethical and shouldn't be an excuse for complacency.

    I think BlackBerry is largely responsible. They disregarded their own ToS by allowing it - and are still promoting the vendor as an example of an Elite developer. Then again they should also be asking important security questions too - assuming security really is their priority.

    Snapchat has the cash to produce a native Bb10 app--it's not hard to do.
    The catch is it seems like they don't want to. BlackBerry has earned many enemies and Snapchat has the right to block all access if they so much as feel like they don't like BBRY users. An independent developer that is honest would build a true cross platform snapchat rival.

    Choosing to connect to a third party's api's after being told no and continuing to peddling their work and charging for it ... is an absolutely terrible idea for everyone - especially users. He's absolutely lucky Snapchat hasn't taken him to court just to make a point of it. If I was consulting with Snapchat at the time, I would have insisted simply based on it being the second C+D with them and money exchanging hands using unapproved API access.

    Posted to CB via my Passport | FileArchiveHaven
    Last edited by KermEd; 02-23-15 at 01:19 AM.
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    02-23-15 01:04 AM
  17. deadcowboy's Avatar
    SnapChat could produce a native BB10 app... but why would they? That's the issue. For fun? For charity? To be "nice" or "fair"?

    How much does it cost them to produce? How much to maintain and update? Then, how much is that investment worth? Clearly, they have an idea of the number of SnapChat users are on BB10 by seeing the usage stats of the 3rd party apps they are shutting down... and they seem pretty comfortable losing those users if push comes to shove, considering they are locking user accounts if those users continue to use 3rd party clients.

    Snapchat is a business. Shutting down 3rd party clients is a business decision. Supporting or not supporting any platform, be it BB10, Tizen, whatever... is a business decision.

    http://m.quickmeme.com/img/5d/5d8664...12eead636e.jpg
    Hey, I have no problem with them shutting down third-party clients. I would. And seeing how unsecured third-party clients can be, it's not only a good business decision, but a prudent moral one (ha).

    All I'm saying is that if there is a market desire, someone will fill the gap. Regularly in our case.

    Wouldn't it be easier for a company valued at 19 billion dollars with an app development team already assembled to produce a bb10 app? It'd probably be cheaper than what they're paying the lawyer and everything else associated with cracking down on illegal api usage.

    Look at how Spotify is quelling music piracy. While not ideal for artist compensation, it's better than nothing (though maybe not for smaller artists). Same thing with Netflix and Steam.

    Look, people are going to pirate and do illegal things if there is a market for it. If Snapchat built the app (or even ported the app for basically free), there would be no market for terrible third party apps.

    Business indeed, but there's more to it than that. And at some point, it's worth the effort to satisfy demand.
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    02-23-15 03:13 AM
  18. tchocky77's Avatar
    Business indeed, but there's more to it than that. And at some point, it's worth the effort to satisfy demand.
    And those developers will make that determination for themselves.

    In the meantime,...BB10 is the 70's Times Square porn theater of ecosystems. You just wanna shower after looking around in there.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
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    02-24-15 11:01 PM
  19. KermEd's Avatar
    And those developers will make that determination for themselves.

    In the meantime,...BB10 is the 70's Times Square porn theater of ecosystems. You just wanna shower after looking around in there.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    Or at least keep fiddler running to see what the unofficial apps are doing.

    Posted to CB via my Passport | FileArchiveHaven
    02-25-15 09:49 AM
  20. deadcowboy's Avatar
    And those developers will make that determination for themselves.

    In the meantime,...BB10 is the 70's Times Square porn theater of ecosystems. You just wanna shower after looking around in there.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    All I'm saying is that the demand will be answered by someone.

    That's a hilariously accurate description of the current bbworld.

    Posted via CB10
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    02-26-15 11:43 AM
  21. Brandon Orr's Avatar
    You could make this same statement about anything including meth and graphic videos of children. Agreed though that it doesn't make it legal or ethical and shouldn't be an excuse for complacency.

    I think BlackBerry is largely responsible. They disregarded their own ToS by allowing it - and are still promoting the vendor as an example of an Elite developer. Then again they should also be asking important security questions too - assuming security really is their priority.



    The catch is it seems like they don't want to. BlackBerry has earned many enemies and Snapchat has the right to block all access if they so much as feel like they don't like BBRY users. An independent developer that is honest would build a true cross platform snapchat rival.

    Choosing to connect to a third party's api's after being told no and continuing to peddling their work and charging for it ... is an absolutely terrible idea for everyone - especially users. He's absolutely lucky Snapchat hasn't taken him to court just to make a point of it. If I was consulting with Snapchat at the time, I would have insisted simply based on it being the second C+D with them and money exchanging hands using unapproved API access.

    Posted to CB via my Passport | FileArchiveHaven
    Meanwhile my app updates get consistently denied because of the mention of Android or iOS or because I misspell BlackBerry as Blackberry...lol. You so funny BlackBerry

    Posted via CB10
    02-26-15 02:06 PM
  22. KermEd's Avatar
    Meanwhile my app updates get consistently denied because of the mention of Android or iOS or because I misspell BlackBerry as Blackberry...lol. You so funny BlackBerry

    Posted via CB10
    Oh my, I know. I had an app rejected because appworld.blackberry.com has "appworld" in the URL and they want me to use "BlackBerry World". I tried to explain that simply changing words isn't how URLs work.

    Posted to CB via my Passport | FileArchiveHaven
    03-01-15 02:45 PM
  23. sa385's Avatar
    They locked me out too...

    Here's the 2nd email from Snapchat there was a warning one. Sad but true

    Hi username ,

    We've noticed that you have continued using third-party apps, so we have locked your account. You can unlock your account by changing your password. But if we find that you go back to using third-party apps after unlocking your account, we will permanently lock your account. We regret taking that action, but it's a matter of safety: Using third-party applications can compromise your account.

    Please note that your account will be permanently locked if you use third-party apps, even if you switch devices.

    For more information, or to unlock your account, please visit:
    https://www.snapchat.com/locked

    Thanks,
    Team Snapchat

    Posted via CB10
    04-29-15 11:37 PM
  24. rocker_man1's Avatar
    Stupid ignorant app company. If you don't Want people using a third party app make yours accessible to the people.

    Posted via CB10
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    04-30-15 12:42 AM
  25. ubizmo's Avatar
    Stupid ignorant app company. If you don't Want people using a third party app make yours accessible to the people.
    SnapChat is available to about 95% of smartphones in use on the planet. That's not "accessible to the people"?
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    04-30-15 11:22 AM
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