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  1. anon(10218918)'s Avatar
    Did nobody here read Huxleys' "Brave New World" or Orwell's "1984" ?
    04-17-19 07:40 AM
  2. towngirl's Avatar
    If you are a murder suspect, they can use google to track you down as innocent


    I hate it but not much you can do.

    I used the link for privacy and turned off history location and it wouldn't turn off lol.

    And I know FB sells info. ( as said in article). Every time I change my last name, it changes on my spam phone calls. Right now I have no last name on FB and now I get no last name on phone calls.

    Everything we have is now save with google. Even BB password keeper
    04-17-19 08:03 AM
  3. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    If you are a murder suspect, they can use google to track you down as innocent


    I hate it but not much you can do.

    I used the link for privacy and turned off history location and it wouldn't turn off lol.

    And I know FB sells info. ( as said in article). Every time I change my last name, it changes on my spam phone calls. Right now I have no last name on FB and now I get no last name on phone calls.

    Everything we have is now save with google. Even BB password keeper
    Yes it's creepy that advertisers, marketers and those that supply them data for a fee, want to build a digital ID for us. They might come to know more about us and our likes and dislikes than we ourselves know....
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    04-17-19 09:12 AM
  4. towngirl's Avatar
    They might come to know more about us and our likes and dislikes than we ourselves know....
    They should share with family and friends so I get good presents

    Kidding
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    04-17-19 09:30 AM
  5. anon(10218918)'s Avatar
    Before I retired I was a high positioned manager in a german health care service. I know how much these instititions (and others -banks, politcians...) are interested in personal data. All informations about your health, social and financial status, behavior, contacts are available in international data trading. The trading of data is the new oil in shark capitalism. -I know, it is impossible to turn the wheel back, but using Google and friends must be done as wise as possible. The position that the masses are not interested is no argument. The masses in Germany cried "We did not know that" after the holocaust...

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    Last edited by CrackPriv; 04-17-19 at 10:05 AM.
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    04-17-19 09:32 AM
  6. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Absolutely, and it’s always been that way to some degree. People act like marketing or profiling is some new science.
    That's true, but the difference is that, historically, marketers had to rely on statistical sampling to understand an audience and how to reach them., so their approach was more like an aimed shotgun than a laser-sighted rifle. Now it's possible to target individuals very accurately.

    This means that most individuals no longer truly have the freedom to choose what they see and experience online and in apps. This is exploited legally, by marketers, hucksters, and political propagandists, and and illegally by criminals and international adversaries.

    It's like any other technology. The scale and speed matter and create concerns that weren't terribly significant previously, but now require serious consideration. I think most of us still want some degree of privacy in our lives and don't want to be targeted by people using our interests, beliefs and passions to manipulate us. Those basic freedoms are rapidly being eroded by mass surveillance and data gathering both by governments and corporations.

    If you're comfortable that anyone at any time might be able to build a very detailed profile of you, including all the websites you visit and your searches both within those sites and in Google, people you talk to, and your physical location, all in a precise timeline, with photographic evidence from security cameras, then there's nothing for you to worry about.

    Currently all of those things exist, but aren't generally aggregated by anyone but private investigators and spies, because the costs are too high, but it's a matter of a few years at most on the current trajectory.

    Currently, I can spend less than $10 in Bitcoin to have an anonymous worker in some call center SIM swap your phone in a matter of hours to hijack any accounts you've secured with SMS as a second factor, and I can hire an investigator for a few hundred dollars who can build a complete profile of your online activities, and even report on your exact location and perhaps what search terms you use on your favorite adult content sites.

    The basic requirements for Google's business model to work as intended is that their profile data for their users remain anonymous, so that marketers have enough detail to target ads but not enough to re-identify the individual associated with that data. I have no problem with that model. But, in reality, it doesn't take many pieces of anonymous information to re-identify a person based on the rest of their online activity that exposes their IP address, email address, and other PID.

    Within a few years, much of this will be completely automated and very affordable. Perhaps you're comfortable with that. I am not, which is why I'm taking reasonable steps to reclaim my privacy. I'll still use Google services, and allow marketers to target me, but they will lose the ability to learn my RL identity.

    The best solution for most individuals is a combination of aliases and misinformation that clouds the picture sufficiently that only a dedicated human intelligence agent could separate the signal from the noise. It's not perfect anonymity, but it's close enough for me, and not too inconvenient.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    04-17-19 10:26 AM
  7. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Do you use these phones in your car? Your car has a sim module inside the tcu if it's not an especially old one. You can be linked to your phones allright, but if you are, and you climb inside you car, your phone will move with that specific sim module your car has, every single time you drive it. The cars communication goes through the carrier as well.

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    That's a real issue, potentially, though not for me for several reasons.
    1) I rarely use my cars and don't keep them parked at my house (nothing to do with privacy, I just bike most places);
    2) I never use my phone in the car (it's in my Faraday bag);
    3) My car is not registered with my real identity; and
    4) My car is too old to have a SIM card.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    04-17-19 10:36 AM
  8. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    We can't turn back the clock, and probably wouldn't want to. We just need to take steps as individuals and as a society to see that these services work to enable legitimate commerce and societal benefits rather than empowering people who wish to do us harm.

    The key to that is privacy. Alternative, revocable credentials that allow advertisers and others to serve us and customize our experiences, but which do not lead back to our RL identities, can enable commerce and customization while maintaining basic protections for our freedoms.

    Currently this requires a great deal of effort, and each person has to do it individually, but I'm optimistic that better technological tools and services, combined with changes in policy by companies like Google and governments, will lead to improvement in the coming years. I don't want Google to stop using data, I just want Google's commercial data policies to work exactly as Google claims they do, anonymously.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    04-17-19 10:48 AM
  9. elfabio80's Avatar
    That's a real issue, potentially, though not for me for several reasons.
    1) I rarely use my cars and don't keep them parked at my house (nothing to do with privacy, I just bike most places);
    2) I never use my phone in the car (it's in my Faraday bag);
    3) My car is not registered with my real identity; and
    4) My car is too old to have a SIM card.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    Oh man, are you Saul from Better call Saul? Lol!!
    04-17-19 11:29 AM
  10. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Oh man, are you Saul from Better call Saul? Lol!!
    Nope. I just don't really need a car very often these days. The car registration thing is more of a lucky accident due to a slow motion move across the country almost a decade ago. I was having a hard time registering a car without a local address so registered it to a business (now existing in name only) instead. Any legal search would connect me instantly, but the registration info is useless for any kind of automated mining.
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    04-17-19 11:48 AM
  11. bh7171's Avatar
    A lot of interesting points of view shared in regards to the OP. I personally feel pretty comfortable with Google's current ability to limit my digital footprint when using their services I choose to utilize.

    Social media is more of a concern for many of the reasons noted in prior posts. My access point to the one or two I use is via browser and I am conscientious to limit my usage and post only items I wish to share with family and friends here in the US and abroad.

    I enjoy "staying in touch" in that small way with people I do not see often but care for or have meaningful relationships. An example being my mother in law vacationing in Turkey and following her posts that are beautiful and fascinating. I recently spent time in the Marin headlands area of California on a school trip with our son. I chose to share with family some very memorable and beautiful moments upon our return. These attributes, to me, are some of the "good" I find in using the capabilities of my current mobile OS of choice.

    To me an analogy is kind of like food. It can be nourishing and when shared with loved ones special and memorable. Food can also be harmful if unhealthy or over indulged. Basically choose wisely and use common sense.
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    04-17-19 12:16 PM
  12. TgeekB's Avatar
    To me an analogy is kind of like food. It can be nourishing and when shared with loved ones special and memorable. Food can also be harmful if unhealthy or over indulged. Basically choose wisely and use common sense.
    I like your analogy.
    My house “could” get broken into so I lock my doors and don’t advertise (leave newspapers piled up) when I leave on vacation.
    I could build a moat around my house and get a fire breathing dragon to guard it, but that would be overkill (plus I checked at Petsmart and they didn’t have any fire breathing dragons).
    I refuse to be afraid of technology or anything else. I use is wisely, enjoy its advantages and sleep well at night.
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    04-17-19 06:22 PM
  13. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I like your analogy.
    My house “could” get broken into so I lock my doors and don’t advertise (leave newspapers piled up) when I leave on vacation.
    I could build a moat around my house and get a fire breathing dragon to guard it, but that would be overkill (plus I checked at Petsmart and they didn’t have any fire breathing dragons).
    I refuse to be afraid of technology or anything else. I use is wisely, enjoy its advantages and sleep well at night.
    On a side note, I recommend everyone boycott Petsmart until they change their ridiculous policy of refusing to offer ANY mythical creatures for sale. We’re entitled... Whatever happened to customer is always right...
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    04-17-19 11:32 PM
  14. conite's Avatar
    On a side note, I recommend everyone boycott Petsmart until they change their ridiculous policy of refusing to offer ANY mythical creatures for sale. We’re entitled... Whatever happened to customer is always right...
    I'm in the market for a Manticore, so keep me posted.
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    04-18-19 12:02 AM
  15. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I'm in the market for a Manticore, so keep me posted.
    When I asked for possible Unicorns, I happened to mention Leprechauns too and was told now that constitutes “trafficking” and was escorted out to parking lot...
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    04-18-19 12:04 AM
  16. conite's Avatar
    When I asked for possible Unicorns, I happened to mention Leprechauns too and was told now that constitutes “trafficking” and was escorted out to parking lot...
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    04-18-19 12:07 AM
  17. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I'm in the market for a Manticore, so keep me posted.
    Here you go.
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    04-18-19 01:36 AM
  18. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    I refuse to be afraid of technology or anything else. I use is wisely, enjoy its advantages and sleep well at night.
    The goal is to be informed and rational about the actual risks that matter to you. Then, if something bad happens you have no regrets.

    That's why, even though I am trained and comfortable with firearms, I don't keep one in my house. The likelihood of my encountering a situation in my home where having one would increase my security is lower than the likelihood that it would be used to harm someone who would otherwise be safer.

    I'm not saying that's universally true, but the likelihood of a violent criminal entering my home while I am there where I live is almost 1 in 1 million, whereas the suicide by gun rate plus the accidental shooting rate is much, much higher!

    Posted with my trusty Z10
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    04-20-19 02:04 PM
  19. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    The goal is to be informed and rational about the actual risks that matter to you. Then, if something bad happens you have no regrets.

    That's why, even though I am trained and comfortable with firearms, I don't keep one in my house. The likelihood of my encountering a situation in my home where having one would increase my security is lower than the likelihood that it would be used to harm someone who would otherwise be safer.

    I'm not saying that's universally true, but the likelihood of a violent criminal entering my home while I am there where I live is almost 1 in 1 million, whereas the suicide by gun rate plus the accidental shooting rate is much, much higher!

    I keep my shotgun at a hunting club with a trap range, and I keep my 1911 at a friend's house who has a basement gun safe.
    Posted with my trusty Z10
    Posted with my trusty Z10
    04-20-19 02:12 PM
  20. TgeekB's Avatar
    The goal is to be informed and rational about the actual risks that matter to you. Then, if something bad happens you have no regrets.

    That's why, even though I am trained and comfortable with firearms, I don't keep one in my house. The likelihood of my encountering a situation in my home where having one would increase my security is lower than the likelihood that it would be used to harm someone who would otherwise be safer.

    I'm not saying that's universally true, but the likelihood of a violent criminal entering my home while I am there where I live is almost 1 in 1 million, whereas the suicide by gun rate plus the accidental shooting rate is much, much higher!

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    I completely agree with you.
    Not too many people are able to truly understand potential threats and not overreact. As you stated, doing so can often put us in more danger than the supposed thread originally imposed.
    I appreciate your common sense approach.
    04-20-19 02:18 PM
  21. Emaderton3's Avatar
    I completely agree with you.
    Not too many people are able to truly understand potential threats and not overreact. As you stated, doing so can often put us in more danger than the supposed thread originally imposed.
    I appreciate your common sense approach.
    What are the dangers?
    04-20-19 02:19 PM
  22. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    What are the dangers?
    That's very personal. Only you can define your relevant threats and risk appetite. No one can do that for you.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
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    04-20-19 02:23 PM
  23. TgeekB's Avatar
    What are the dangers?
    That’s a very subjective question. We all live in different countries and are in different situations.
    04-20-19 02:32 PM
  24. Emaderton3's Avatar
    That’s a very subjective question. We all live in different countries and are in different situations.
    Ok, so how about you?
    04-20-19 02:44 PM
  25. TgeekB's Avatar
    Ok, so how about you?
    I’m someone who tries to find a balance between freely giving away personal information and using technology for my benefit.
    I understand Googles model and feel that if they knowingly give away our information they will lose our trust and fail. At the same time people who want to get our information will always find some back door somewhere.
    Therefore, I use Google but attempt to be wise about the information I share. For instance, I don’t download apps that aren’t from the official App Store. That, along with Dtek, gives me the protection I’m seeking. I don’t use Facebook or other apps that are free-wheeling data miners. I don’t give away information on the Internet I wouldn’t want people to know.
    In other words, I am proactive to the level I have chosen and still get to enjoy the wonderful technological benefits.
    04-20-19 02:52 PM
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