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  1. jonnaver's Avatar
    Could you please give up on this already??
    Why do you insist someone who debates your opinion has to stop? That's not very fair discussion.
    08-15-14 08:43 PM
  2. Schmurf's Avatar
    From this article :

    See What Google Knows About My Location - Business Insider

    You can supposedly see all the places Google has tracked you using this link: https://maps.google.com/locationhistory/b/0

    For me it shows nothing, but for my Android wielding friends, it shows disturbingly detailed maps.

    I'd like to see what other BlackBerry users get,.. especially those that have used Android/iOS in the recent past.

    Kinda geeky ,.. but also pretty creepy !

    Posted via CB10
    Should you log in from your phone, or does it matter?
    08-15-14 08:52 PM
  3. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    I wasn't aware BBRY was in the business of collecting data and whoring it out to those that pay them for advertising services. I always thought they were a telecom/hardware company that made money from (overpriced, often outdated) devices and services.
    I'm wary of every company that collects data. Maybe more than I need to...

    Corporations are built to make money. My data is money. I'd BBRY really didn't want to, it wouldn't.

    BBM's TOS (which was first brought to my attention on CB) was very revealing to me.
    Witmen likes this.
    08-15-14 08:53 PM
  4. Schmurf's Avatar
    Guess I'm invisible
    You're like the invisible man!
    08-15-14 08:54 PM
  5. Schmurf's Avatar
    From this article :

    See What Google Knows About My Location - Business Insider

    You can supposedly see all the places Google has tracked you using this link: https://maps.google.com/locationhistory/b/0

    For me it shows nothing, but for my Android wielding friends, it shows disturbingly detailed maps.

    I'd like to see what other BlackBerry users get,.. especially those that have used Android/iOS in the recent past.

    Kinda geeky ,.. but also pretty creepy !

    Posted via CB10
    So, I checked my phone and my laptop. Neither had any location history, which is what others were saying. Many aren't concerned about their location being tracked and those are generally using Android devices. That makes sense to me as most Blackberry users are more discerning about their privacy. Now, I'm not a privacy nut, BUT I don't like being tracked. For those who are not concerned, just read any modern day crime novel and the amount of knowledge that can be found out about you simply through the tracking of the mobile devices. I simply have four numbers for you 1 - 9 - 8 - 4....
    08-15-14 09:20 PM
  6. katiepea's Avatar
    From this article :

    See What Google Knows About My Location - Business Insider

    You can supposedly see all the places Google has tracked you using this link: https://maps.google.com/locationhistory/b/0

    For me it shows nothing, but for my Android wielding friends, it shows disturbingly detailed maps.

    I'd like to see what other BlackBerry users get,.. especially those that have used Android/iOS in the recent past.

    Kinda geeky ,.. but also pretty creepy !

    Posted via CB10
    I use multiple Android devices in addition to bb10. I have no location history because I've simply turned those features off, just like you can on most systems. Been using Android for years, everyone is quite aware Google enables this by default and disabling it is simple.
    08-15-14 11:21 PM
  7. katiepea's Avatar
    I'm wary of every company that collects data. Maybe more than I need to...

    Corporations are built to make money. My data is money. I'd BBRY really didn't want to, it wouldn't.

    BBM's TOS (which was first brought to my attention on CB) was very revealing to me.
    I hate to be the person that says 'they're all doing it' but, they're all doing it. Even a simple single page visit to this website yields:
    See where Google knows you have been: Google Location History-aih4n4v.png
    08-15-14 11:28 PM
  8. qbnkelt's Avatar
    I agree, but they have to piece everything together to get what they want unless they are specifically watching you for some reason. Why would you otherwise just hand over detailed information of your everyday lives to any entity?
    So Google knows where you live, where you work, when you go to work, what route you take and that's just one piece of the puzzle. Now if they have your search data, your internet activity and other information don't you think they eventually will know exactly who you are?
    Again, convenience is not worth my privacy. Sorry.
    I've got news for you.....they've already GOT all that data. Google or not.

    Ever heard of targeted ads? Google or not, all the bits of info you leave online is used to deliver to you those ads you see right by the CB banner.

    I GAVE Google the authority to track my location because I GET information through Google Now which I USE. Google knows where I live, where I work, where I get my nails done because I TOLD Google oh verily yah please do track me.

    What's all the drama? Does anyone REALLY think that *THEY* can't get info on you?

    Got a credit card? Pay taxes? Have credit? Have a mortgage? Use FB, Twitter, Foursquare? Look at porn? Google or not *THEY* already can bring up that information and can produce it and turn it over to whoever needs it. There IS no privacy.

    Does anyone REALLY think that by avoiding Google they can keep *THEM* away from collecting data? If they can't get it through Google they get it through whatever other method is at their disposal.

    It really tickles me when I read all the NSA discussions here. Ooooooo I've got a BlackBerry the NSA can't get to me. Seriously......*THEY* already got it .

    Value your privacy? Live off the grid. Otherwise you already gave *THEM* data by paying your bills, taxes, logging on social media...heck logging in here. Me? I know that if I get lost on a hike Google has tracked me. Works fine for me, knowing that if I go missing *THEY* can get that info. And that's a bigger and more real concern to me than black helicopters swooping down on me and some mainframe amassing bits of data on my latest trip to Designer Shoe Warehouse.
    08-16-14 12:00 AM
  9. qbnkelt's Avatar
    It's funny how BlackBerry phones have been the only phones that law enforcement and gov't officials have used and trusted for years. BlackBerry is held to a higher standard and I would trust them with the small amount of data they may have on me far more than any other company.
    That's because those agencies use BES.

    And by the way....ever heard of eDiscovery? BlackBerry can be compelled to give information through a court order.

    Or do like they did in some countries....have the government demand servers be installed inside the country for easy....you know....surveillance......when faced with the loss of a whole market, BB caved.
    mornhavon likes this.
    08-16-14 12:12 AM
  10. qbnkelt's Avatar
    So, I checked my phone and my laptop. Neither had any location history, which is what others were saying. Many aren't concerned about their location being tracked and those are generally using Android devices. That makes sense to me as most Blackberry users are more discerning about their privacy. Now, I'm not a privacy nut, BUT I don't like being tracked. For those who are not concerned, just read any modern day crime novel and the amount of knowledge that can be found out about you simply through the tracking of the mobile devices. I simply have four numbers for you 1 - 9 - 8 - 4....
    If you pay taxes 1984 already arrived years ago.
    Nicholas Kathrein likes this.
    08-16-14 12:14 AM
  11. AnimalPak200's Avatar
    I think it should be pretty obvious to anyone that even though Google shows you some data and let's you "delete" it (from your view), there is absolutely no way of ensuring that they are flushing it from their data.

    It may seem noble and transparent, but I'd venture to say it is actually even more nefarious/slimy to lull and bait the public into a false sense of control by perpetuating an (unverifiable) image of a friendly, colorful, trustworthy company.

    But at the end of the day,.. we get so many free services from them,.. and we all know there is no such thing as a free lunch.

    So yes, we are the product,.. the sardines packed into little android/gmail cans.. and sold off for billions. Hope we're tasty.

    Posted via CB10
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    08-16-14 12:41 AM
  12. Rafael Angeles's Avatar
    I dont know what you guys say about google cant track bb10 but bb10 runs android runtime. Mine is running 10.3.0.7 leak with 4.3 android runtime. Yes if i turn on my BlackBerry locations, google will not know ny locations unless i turn on the android locations which i turn on when im using android app that needs my locations. Please do correct me if im wrong.


    See where Google knows you have been: Google Location History-img_20140816_135057.png

    Posted via My Awesome Passport | @angelesrobby
    08-16-14 12:52 AM
  13. Rafael Angeles's Avatar
    I just tried the link provided in the op, google can track my device when i enable android runtime locations.

    Posted via My Awesome Passport | @angelesrobby
    08-16-14 01:01 AM
  14. clickitykeys's Avatar
    What's all the drama? Does anyone REALLY think that *THEY* can't get info on you?
    Got to disagree with that. Just because someone _can_ get information about you, it doesn't logically follow that you hand it to them on a platter.

    There IS no privacy
    That's a cynical viewpoint. There is scope for quite a bit of privacy if one doesn't work under the fatalistic view that one's personal life is just a click away from the NSA.
    Last edited by clickitykeys; 08-16-14 at 03:14 AM.
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    08-16-14 02:24 AM
  15. katiepea's Avatar
    Got to disagree with that. Just because someone _can_ get information about you, it doesn't logically follow that you hand it to them on a platter.



    That's a cynical viewpoint. There is scope for quite a bit of privacy if one doesn't work under the fatalistic view that one's personal life is just a click away from the NSA.
    But, that's not reality.
    08-16-14 03:15 AM
  16. clickitykeys's Avatar
    But, that's not reality.
    What's not reality? :-)

    And is that why you don't mind having your data held hostage by Google or BlackBerry or whoever? Because, we're all screwed anyway?

    That is interesting, to say the least.

    Hey, the NSA might want to know what I did on my vacation last year, so let's just plaster it online. Because, the reality is that even if you don't plaster it, they just know it _without any effort_? That is a pretty warped view of the world.

    All I'm saying is that there is a difference between "They know it" and "They can know it".
    Many people in the "There is no privacy" camp seem to ignore that difference. It is a little akin to saying that just because an ingenious robber can break into my house, however well guarded it is, I shouldn't even bother locking my doors. :-)
    Last edited by clickitykeys; 08-16-14 at 04:02 AM.
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    08-16-14 03:42 AM
  17. Yatezy's Avatar
    What's not reality? :-)

    And is that why you don't mind having your data held hostage by Google or BlackBerry or whoever? Because, we're all screwed anyway?

    That is interesting, to say the least.

    Hey, the NSA might want to know what I did on my vacation last year, so let's just plaster it online. Because, the reality is that even if you don't plaster it, they just know it _without any effort_? That is a pretty warped view of the world.

    All I'm saying is that there is a difference between "They know it" and "They can know it".
    Many people in the "There is no privacy" camp seem to ignore that difference. It is a little akin to saying that just because an ingenious robber can break into my house, however well guarded it is, I shouldn't even bother locking my doors. :-)
    I'm sure using your passport to leave the country, writing a visa to enter another country along with your passport then using your bank card to pay for your hotel not to mention you using it in an ATM or restaurant on holiday would give all these details anyway. Just from that I'm sure they would have a good idea where you are.

    Hell when I got my phone on contract, the rep for my carrier asked to confirm my credit card and how much was on it. He already had it up on screen. My details are already in the 'system'. 'They' probably know what I regularly eat for dinner. At least Google gives me something useful to use from it all.
    08-16-14 05:11 AM
  18. vrud's Avatar
    At least Google gives me something useful to use from it all.
    Like what?

    Does anyone know what service you could gain if you enable your location tracking? My 5 year old garmin gives me directions without collecting personal information. Or put it another way, do you think you would lose anything if the location tracking setting is turned off?

    Posted via CB10
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    08-16-14 05:37 AM
  19. Bigruss8's Avatar
    From this article :

    See What Google Knows About My Location - Business Insider

    You can supposedly see all the places Google has tracked you using this link: https://maps.google.com/locationhistory/b/0

    For me it shows nothing, but for my Android wielding friends, it shows disturbingly detailed maps.

    I'd like to see what other BlackBerry users get,.. especially those that have used Android/iOS in the recent past.

    Kinda geeky ,.. but also pretty creepy !

    Posted via CB10
    Shows nothing for me and I use my Note 3 as my daily driver. I have location tracking turned off as I don't currently use Google Now, not sure what the fuss is?

    Posted via CrackBerry App
    08-16-14 06:42 AM
  20. shorski's Avatar
    Can't seem to get it to show me any location. All I see is website I visited, videos I watched on YouTube and searches I made in Google.

    Blackberry z30 OS 10.3.0.700
    08-16-14 06:44 AM
  21. Coffee Shampoo's Avatar
    That's very cool

    Posted via CB10
    08-16-14 06:57 AM
  22. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Got to disagree with that. Just because someone _can_ get information about you, it doesn't logically follow that you hand it to them on a platter.



    That's a cynical viewpoint. There is scope for quite a bit of privacy if one doesn't work under the fatalistic view that one's personal life is just a click away from the NSA.
    Do you not realise that every single action you take leaves data? So you honestly think that it's only Google that does this?

    Do you know that you comply with the most data gathering when you pay your taxes? The IRS or similar orgs know when you get paid what you so with that payment how late you are with your bills, the patterns of spending.

    Whether you give it or not is inconsequential. They've already got it.

    The only way to avoid the huge gathering of data is to go off the grid.

    Make like Cat Stevens and go live deep in the Amazon jungle. Living in the fantasy that you can avoid data gathering doesn't make it real.

    Even if I don't use Google Now.....every camera pointed at me tracks me just as easily. Gone past an intersection one second after it's gone red? Hope you smiled as they took your pic. Gone to dinner? Wave at the camera as you're seated. Walk into Macy's? Wink at the nice men at the bank of monitors. Miss a payment? Know that all three credit reporting agencies were notified. Log here? CB knows where you're logging in from...

    Sure. Believe only Google tracks you and you can avoid tracking by turning off Google. Say.....how will you avoid the data trail you've left of every website you've accessed without using Chrome? Do you think Bing doesn't track your queries? Remember that man accused of leaving his son in the hot car to die? How so you think *THEY* knew immediately that he was looking at death sites? No matter what search engine used the information is there.


    Believe what you feel is right.

    How do you avoid data gathering?
    08-16-14 07:12 AM
  23. shorski's Avatar
    What we need to know here is that Internet technology has enhanced so much to the extent that you leave a trace of data about you whether fake or real every time you use it irrespective of whether it's Google, BlackBerry or whatever. That's just the way it is.

    Blackberry z30 OS 10.3.0.700
    08-16-14 07:18 AM
  24. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Like what?

    Does anyone know what service you could gain if you enable your location tracking? My 5 year old garmin gives me directions without collecting personal information. Or put it another way, do you think you would lose anything if the location tracking setting is turned off?

    Posted via CB10
    Does Garmin stop the cameras on the overpasses that capture the image if your car as you drive past? Does Garmin stop the data gathered when you bought gas at the gas station if you used your card? If you didn't use your card does Garmin stop the camera on the outside if the gas station? Does Garmin stop the camera at the Metro? Does Garmin stop the data gathered as you swipe your card at Dunkin Donut? Paid cash? Then did you wave hello at the camera in the shop? All angles?

    At work did Garmin stop the access control as you walked in? No access control? The did you wave at the camera? No camera? Then I hope you were not late when you logged into your computer. And I hope you accessed every system you needed to during working hours. And oh baby the way I hope your employer hasn't got the software that allows them to see every screen you access.

    All this is without Google.

    But by all means....opt out of Google Now. Garmin's got it covered.
    08-16-14 07:20 AM
  25. qbnkelt's Avatar
    What's not reality? :-)

    And is that why you don't mind having your data held hostage by Google or BlackBerry or whoever? Because, we're all screwed anyway?

    That is interesting, to say the least.

    Hey, the NSA might want to know what I did on my vacation last year, so let's just plaster it online. Because, the reality is that even if you don't plaster it, they just know it _without any effort_? That is a pretty warped view of the world.

    All I'm saying is that there is a difference between "They know it" and "They can know it".
    Many people in the "There is no privacy" camp seem to ignore that difference. It is a little akin to saying that just because an ingenious robber can break into my house, however well guarded it is, I shouldn't even bother locking my doors. :-)
    And there is a difference between *THEY* getting bits of data and patterns of behaviour for say, your spending habits and attributing it to a person on a personal level and distributing it on a personal level as you say.

    So how will you avoid this? Let's see a solution.

    I've proposed one. Go off the grid. Any other ones?
    08-16-14 07:26 AM
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