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  1. lift's Avatar
    It appears to not know about the commuter train.
    Is there a cellular signal on the commuter train?
    08-15-14 03:36 PM
  2. jonnaver's Avatar
    This is really disturbing. I just shared this with my Android using friends (over BBM of course) and they're not happy at all.

    I don't believe anybody could simply dismiss this. If you had someone following you all day and noting every place you go, even if you are doing nothing wrong, wouldn't you ask yourself why?? What are they gaining from this?

    Location services for GPS, traffic is fine, but why are they logging your whereabouts in a database? Don't be evil my a$s. This is so low.. I can't believe they are getting away with this.
    I'm good with it. If a rich and famous person can have a personal biographer making a memoir of his life, well now so can I .

    How many people are on Facebook now? They're feeding Zuck, who's been far more irresponsible than Google with a LOT more personal data than Google gets. Twitter? Even so, what's happened to anyone because of it?

    Nothing at all.

    How about Crackberry? Do you think all of your opinions you're posting here disappear into the ether? Every search engine on the planet now has a catalog of your patterned series of lengthy thoughts and opinions on numerous topics. If this is even the only web forum you're on. Unlikely for many of you.

    Google's your popular punching bag because they're the biggest game in town. But you guys who think you're somehow taking a stand by not using Google location services while you carry on merrily with the rest of your online activities are comedy gold.
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    08-15-14 04:19 PM
  3. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    I have location always turned off unless I need it.
    Again, where are the Mod's?
    And thus the kicker. Knowing when you actually "need" it. After the fact is rarely a reliable solution.
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    08-15-14 04:21 PM
  4. Witmen's Avatar
    This is really disturbing. I just shared this with my Android using friends (over BBM of course) and they're not happy at all.
    Did you read the BBM terms of service agreement? In order to use BBM, you have to give BlackBerry consent to collect the device location data. I've already posted it in this thread once. It is hilarious how some people are up in arms about this so called privacy violation by Google, which is entirely optional, yet BlackBerry is doing the same thing except only worse.

    With Google, at least we can view and erase the data that they have collected from us at any time, but that doesn't appear to be possible with the data BlackBerry has collected from their users.

    It is fine to worry about your privacy and be angry about Google tracking your location, but shouldn't you also be angry with BlackBerry? They do the same thing and have for years now. As does pretty much the entire internet. Shouldn't you stop visiting CrackBerry? You should see how much info just Google Analytics alone provides website owners.

    I just find it funny how some people are reacting to this. Oh well I guess.
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    08-15-14 05:14 PM
  5. lift's Avatar
    Did you read the BBM terms of service agreement? In order to use BBM, you have to give BlackBerry consent to collect the device location data. I've already posted it in this thread once. It is hilarious how some people are up in arms about this so called privacy violation by Google, which is entirely optional, yet BlackBerry is doing the same thing except only worse.

    With Google, at least we can view and erase the data that they have collected from us at any time, but that doesn't appear to be possible with the data BlackBerry has collected from their users.

    It is fine to worry about your privacy and be angry about Google tracking your location, but shouldn't you also be angry with BlackBerry? They do the same thing and have for years now. As does pretty much the entire internet. Shouldn't you stop visiting CrackBerry? You should see how much info just Google Analytics alone provides website owners.

    I just find it funny how some people are reacting to this. Oh well I guess.
    BlackBerry collects some data. Thanks for pointing that out a hundred times. That doesn't minimize what we are talking about here. Google collects data from many different services and avenues and COMBINES all of your data that it collects. Google has ton's of services and other ways they collect data. Do you understand that? They also combine all their services together to "better serve you". If you take all the different ways Google collects data and then combines it's data, what BlackBerry collects pales in comparison. It would really be nice if you stopped excusing what Google does and stopped slamming BlackBerry for collecting a tiny fraction of what Google collects (and stores).
    08-15-14 05:34 PM
  6. Witmen's Avatar
    BlackBerry collects some data. Thanks for pointing that out a hundred times. That doesn't minimize what we are talking about here. Google collects data from many different services and avenues and COMBINES all of your data that it collects. Google has ton's of services and other ways they collect data. Do you understand that? They also combine all their services together to "better serve you". If you take all the different ways Google collects data and then combines it's data, what BlackBerry collects pales in comparison. It would really be nice if you stopped excusing what Google does and stopped slamming BlackBerry for collecting a tiny fraction of what Google collects (and stores).
    All of Google's data collecting is optional though. Do you not realize that? You can opt out of the data collecting and continue to use many of Google's services. There are instructions online for doing just that. For example, I use Google maps nearly everyday, yet none of my location history is saved. My search queries aren't saved either. If people would educate themselves on safe guarding their privacy they'd see that Google isn't so bad compared to others.

    If Google is tracking you and harvesting data from you, it is most likely only because you allow them to do it. Everything they collect from their users is erase able as well. How is optional and eraseable not better than what everyone else is doing?

    Heck, Google even gives you the tools you need to prevent them from collecting data from you.

    https://www.google.com/dashboard/
    Last edited by Witmen; 08-15-14 at 06:09 PM.
    08-15-14 05:46 PM
  7. lift's Avatar
    All of Google's data collecting is optional though. Do you not realize that? You can opt out of the data collecting and continue to use many of Google's services. There are instructions online for doing just that. For example, I use Google maps nearly everyday, yet none of my location history is saved. My search queries aren't saved either. If people would educate themselves on safe guarding their privacy they'd see that Google isn't so bad compared to others.

    If Google is tracking you and harvesting data from you, it is most likely only because you allow them to do it. Everything they collect from their users is erase able as well. How is optional and eraseable not better than what everyone else is doing?
    They are a business and have to make money. They make lots of it. Do you really believe what you just said?
    08-15-14 05:50 PM
  8. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    t would really be nice if you stopped excusing what Google does and stopped slamming BlackBerry for collecting a tiny fraction of what Google collects (and stores).
    LOL. Did you even read what he posted?

    It is fine to worry about your privacy and be angry about Google tracking your location, but shouldn't you also be angry with BlackBerry? They do the same thing and have for years now. As does pretty much the entire internet. Shouldn't you stop visiting CrackBerry? You should see how much info just Google Analytics alone provides website owners.
    You're so vehement in your beliefs that you're not seeing that he didn't slam BBRY or even excuse Google.

    LOL. Don't excuse Google, but excuse BBRY because, though it does the SAME thing, it does only a little?

    08-15-14 05:57 PM
  9. Witmen's Avatar
    They are a business and have to make money. They make lots of it. Do you really believe what you just said?
    Did you use the link I provided?

    From there, I can manage the data Google has collected from me and I can opt out of their data collecting. I can opt out of ad networks even.

    Please answer just one question for me. Where is the link for me to manage all of the data BlackBerry has collected from me?

    Uhmkay.
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    08-15-14 05:58 PM
  10. Witmen's Avatar
    You're so vehement in your beliefs that you're not seeing that he didn't slam BBRY or even excuse Google.

    LOL. Don't excuse Google, but excuse BBRY because, though it does the SAME thing, it does only a little?

    Lol true, you're right.

    Me personally, I don't care about privacy anymore because I know that everyone who can is tracking everyone that they can get away with tracking. I can't feed my kids without getting in my car, and driving somewhere to get food without cameras following me the whole drive there. Then the cameras follow me the whole walk through the parking lot and they follow me the entire time I'm in the store. The credit card I use leaves a paper trail.

    It is just part of life now. Being worried about it seems like a utter waste of time either way to me. But it does crack me up when people act like so and so company is the only one doing the tracking. They all do as much tracking as they can.
    08-15-14 06:05 PM
  11. Yatezy's Avatar
    BlackBerry collects some data. Thanks for pointing that out a hundred times. That doesn't minimize what we are talking about here. Google collects data from many different services and avenues and COMBINES all of your data that it collects. Google has ton's of services and other ways they collect data. Do you understand that? They also combine all their services together to "better serve you". If you take all the different ways Google collects data and then combines it's data, what BlackBerry collects pales in comparison. It would really be nice if you stopped excusing what Google does and stopped slamming BlackBerry for collecting a tiny fraction of what Google collects (and stores).
    I mostly agree that it's services are linking you to build a profile but it's location tracking is, from what I can see, is to help you. Yes it may be creepy and invasive but Google now knows what time I set off for work so it sends me a notification on how long it will take.

    If the can build a profile on what porn I like and how long it takes to send me to work via a brass house then by all means I ain't gonna complain! But on a serious note, it's an opt in service to make Google Now more of an automated service which also means using Gmail to help make it better. But as stated it seems all companies are doing this but Google allows you to opt out of it and not only that they are, in some cases, showing you exactly the data they are collecting. Can the same be said for anyone else, BB included?
    08-15-14 07:18 PM
  12. lift's Avatar
    OK guy's you win (even though this is not some kind of contest). You have now convinced me that here is how things really are according to you guys.
    Google does nothing wrong and their massive data collecting and storing is completely harmless. They are not DESPERATELY trying to build detailed profiles of people. I'm just imagining it. BlackBerry (according to you guy's) does the exact same thing as Google. All Google services are great and are not for Google to make a profit from, they are for your benefit and convenience because they love you.
    I hope I got it all right now so you can be happy and not think I am some paranoid nut bag.
    08-15-14 07:45 PM
  13. Witmen's Avatar
    That's a lot of links Raino, perhaps you can post the link I'm looking for.

    I would like to manage all of the data BlackBerry has collected from me over the years. Could you please provide me with the link for doing that?

    Google, a company with a horrible track record when it comes to user data has such a link availbe. Surely BlackBerry must as well. Right? Seriously, I'd love to manage the data BlackBerry has collected from me like I do with Google, but that doesn't appear to be possible.
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    08-15-14 08:00 PM
  14. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    I see your point (and doubt anyone reasonable can argue that Google isn't more ominous).

    But trusting ANY corporation? Nah. I have no doubt in my mind that if/when BBRY figures out how to monetize collected data, it will.

    It's late to the game, but BBRY, IMHO, is figuring out that data is money.
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    08-15-14 08:03 PM
  15. lift's Avatar
    Thanks Raino. I have a lot of respect for your posts.
    Google mapped the entire countries wifi networks so they can provide more accurate location data. They got in trouble for "accidentally" capturing and saving data from open wifi connections. If you don't want your home wifi to be mapped by google, you have to add "_nomap" to your wireless SSID. Google is not as sweet and innocent as some of you think they are. I said it before. They will not be satisfied until they collect as much data as possible on as many people as possible to make as much money as possible. How can anyone stick-up for that??
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    08-15-14 08:07 PM
  16. lift's Avatar
    That's a lot of links Raino, perhaps you can post the link I'm looking for.

    I would like to manage all of the data BlackBerry has collected from me over the years. Could you please provide me with the link for doing that?

    Google, a company with a horrible track record when it comes to user data has such a link availbe. Surely BlackBerry must as well. Right? Seriously, I'd love to manage the data BlackBerry has collected from me like I do with Google, but that doesn't appear to be possible.
    Could you please give up on this already??
    08-15-14 08:07 PM
  17. Witmen's Avatar
    Could you please give up on this already??
    I really would like to manage that data. BlackBerry has been collecting it for years and we have zero control over it. Doesn't that concern you? Think of all that location data they have. I'd be deleting it all if only it were possible.
    08-15-14 08:10 PM
  18. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    I really would like to manage that data. BlackBerry has been collecting it for years and we have zero control over it. Doesn't that concern you?
    No, because BBRY is the one for-profit company that means us well.
    08-15-14 08:14 PM
  19. lift's Avatar
    From there, I can manage the data Google has collected from me and I can opt out of their data collecting. I can opt out of ad networks even.
    You think you can manage ALL the data Google collected about you?? LOL. You can only opt out of TARGETED advertising. The only way you can opt out of ad networks is to allow the ad networks to store an opt out cookie on your computer. Please don't tell me you actually allow cookies in your browser.
    You are drinking the Google Kool-Aid and I am now starting to feel sorry for you.
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    08-15-14 08:15 PM
  20. raino's Avatar
    That's a lot of links Raino, perhaps you can post the link I'm looking for.

    I would like to manage all of the data BlackBerry has collected from me over the years. Could you please provide me with the link for doing that?
    Do you suspect BB/RIM of improperly handling data? If so, I urge you to contact the FCC post haste. But for your safety, be sure to don some shiny, thin metal sheet-based headgear.
    lift likes this.
    08-15-14 08:17 PM
  21. lift's Avatar
    It's funny how BlackBerry phones have been the only phones that law enforcement and gov't officials have used and trusted for years. BlackBerry is held to a higher standard and I would trust them with the small amount of data they may have on me far more than any other company.
    08-15-14 08:21 PM
  22. Witmen's Avatar
    Do you suspect BB/RIM of improperly handling data? If so, I urge you to contact the FCC post haste. But for your safety, be sure to don some shiny, thin metal sheet-based headgear.
    Soooo.... I take it you couldn't find the link either then?

    I do wish BlackBerry gave users the option like Google does. If that makes me paranoid, so be it.
    08-15-14 08:22 PM
  23. Witmen's Avatar
    No, because BBRY is the one for-profit company that means us well.
    Evidently you're right. Google collects location data that is easy to view, erase and opt out of, yet they are evil and everyone freaks out. BlackBerry collects location data that can't be viewed, erased, nor opted out of and there is nothing at all to worry about.
    tdawg00 and mornhavon like this.
    08-15-14 08:34 PM
  24. raino's Avatar
    No, because BBRY is the one for-profit company that means us well.
    I wasn't aware BBRY was in the business of collecting data and whoring it out to those that pay them for advertising services. I always thought they were a telecom/hardware company that made money from (overpriced, often outdated) devices and services.
    lift likes this.
    08-15-14 08:38 PM
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