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  1. lift's Avatar
    I suppose there are those who know better than I do about what I need and who feel that they need to save me from myself, poor uninformed naive Android and Apple loving consumer that I am.




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    Well I didn't say or imply that I am trying to save you from yourself. Sorry if it seems that way. I would never use any of Googles services or their search. But that's my choice because of the privacy concerns I feel are too intrusive and too risky for me. All I wanted to do is give out some good information and facts so that people can read it and make informed decisions. What you do in your life is none of my business just like what I do in my life is none of Google's or anyone elses business.
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    08-18-14 10:47 AM
  2. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Fantastic. Then leave off the comments about Kool-Aid drinking and simply accept that each individual has a right to use whatever services they want or need. You do what you would like and I will do what I like. Others will do what they like. Having a choice also means allowing others theirs without invoking Kool-Aid or other such insults.

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    Last edited by qbnkelt; 08-18-14 at 11:56 AM.
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    08-18-14 11:11 AM
  3. jonnaver's Avatar
    Well I didn't say or imply that I am trying to save you from yourself. Sorry if it seems that way. I would never use any of Googles services or their search. But that's my choice because of the privacy concerns I feel are too intrusive and too risky for me. All I wanted to do is give out some good information and facts so that people can read it and make informed decisions. What you do in your life is none of my business just like what I do in my life is none of Google's or anyone elses business.
    To add to what was just said the post directly above me, I would also say the information you presented was in fact misinformation, and the facts were anything but when weighed by an unprejudiced mind. Every one of those links were opinion pieces, sensationalist media, with no credible evidence grounded in fact to back them up.
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    08-18-14 01:36 PM
  4. lift's Avatar
    I would also say the information you presented was in fact misinformation, and the facts were anything but when weighed by an unprejudiced mind. Every one of those links were opinion pieces, sensationalist media, with no credible evidence grounded in fact to back them up.
    Really? Hey believe what you want and I will believe what I want. So the people writing those articles don't know what they are talking about? LOL.
    Do a search on the internet for Google is evil. There is plenty of people out there that according to you don't know what they are talking about.
    I'm done wasting my time in this thread.
    08-18-14 02:21 PM
  5. jonnaver's Avatar
    Really? Hey believe what you want and I will believe what I want. So the people writing those articles don't know what they are talking about? LOL.
    Do a search on the internet for Google is evil. There is plenty of people out there that according to you don't know what they are talking about.
    I'm done wasting my time in this thread.
    clickbait writers know what they're talking about as much as the big hair guy on Ancient Aliens
    08-18-14 02:22 PM
  6. cjcampbell's Avatar
    clickbait writers know what they're talking about as much as the big hair guy on Ancient Aliens
    Riley Martin? He speaks the truth man lmao

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    08-18-14 02:55 PM
  7. jonnaver's Avatar
    Riley Martin? He speaks the truth man lmao

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    Lol no I meant George Tsoukalos the alien conspiracy guy on Ancient Aliens
    08-18-14 03:15 PM
  8. katiepea's Avatar
    Really? Hey believe what you want and I will believe what I want. So the people writing those articles don't know what they are talking about? LOL.
    Do a search on the internet for Google is evil. There is plenty of people out there that according to you don't know what they are talking about.
    I'm done wasting my time in this thread.
    What the buggery is going on?: Blackberries are evil

    To be honest, you can google anything and get results that cater to your worldview. Google is evil? Sure if you and thousands of others say so, thing is, it is absolutely insignificant because nobody is forcing you to implant Android devices under your skin. Nobody is forcing you to do anything, whatsoever. There are a lot of evil companies. In my eyes Asian manufacturing is evil, and BlackBerry is now using that. Supporting a manufacturer where people jump off the building for relief, work 20 hour days, sleep in the factory, are exposed to whoknowswhat toxins... and we won't even get started on child labor. Maybe if you want to really persuade someone you should try talking about what you actually know about or how this company influences their life in ways that are not obvious. Linking satirical articles that suggest that Google is bringing about the apocalypse is eh... should we say, not rational? That sort of thing belongs on godlikeprouctions.com or reddit.com/r/conspiracy not on a blackberry fan blog forum. Especially considering the overwhelming response to your sentiment is "who cares" You haven't introduced anyone to anything they don't already know.

    Let me know when Google or Apple or __________ are monopolizing a public service and I'll give you sincere apology.
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    08-18-14 03:54 PM
  9. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    ..... haven't introduced anyone to anything they don't already know.
    And this, dear friends, is the point people have been trying to get across.
    08-18-14 07:15 PM
  10. qbnkelt's Avatar
    And this, dear friends, is the point people have been trying to get across.



    Not only something already known, but something we ACTIVELY WANT. Google Now is on my iPhone and on my Android devices with tracking history ON. Still haven't played with it on my Lumia 1520 but it will be on there to if it's supported. I know I've got location services On.


    I'm in the woods in the back of beyond A LOT. I WANT this. To say nothing of my commute.


    I do NOT need to be saved from myself nor from Google.


    So far nobody has come up with a convincing reason why I should not have this. NOBODY.
    Last edited by qbnkelt; 08-19-14 at 06:35 AM.
    08-19-14 05:18 AM
  11. m1a1mg's Avatar
    I have to drive through Atlanta tomorrow. I hate driving through Atlanta. Google Now will be my friend.
    08-19-14 08:02 PM
  12. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    I agree, but they have to piece everything together to get what they want unless they are specifically watching you for some reason. Why would you otherwise just hand over detailed information of your everyday lives to any entity?
    So Google knows where you live, where you work, when you go to work, what route you take and that's just one piece of the puzzle. Now if they have your search data, your internet activity and other information don't you think they eventually will know exactly who you are?
    Again, convenience is not worth my privacy. Sorry.
    They know who I am. That's fine with me I gave them MY NAME. They (Google) needs my data to give me great "magical" things. You obviously use a computer. Unless your a computer ninja anyone who cares enough can find out whatever they want. They break into your house while your gone. Place hidden cameras. Using a BB phone doesn't help you in the least. Are these companies like Google the Boogie Man? If your worried about Google you have focused on the wrong thing. Most of the 1st world countries have groups and agencies that can find out whatever they want about you without Google or any other company. In the every does what they want. You don't feel like your missing out then more power to you.
    08-21-14 08:47 AM
  13. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    We become too much dependable on machines; we are slaves. Our brain turns off when an elementary task is done for us. I like those times when I could remember birthdays of my friends. Now that is not necessary as many social networks remind you. It is not as pleasant to receive birthday wishes anymore.
    I deliberately turn off gps systems when driving in poorly known neighborhood just to practice orientation by road signs.
    I take random routes to my work place with hope to find something new and interesting. I am lucky to live in a place where traffic jams are rare.
    TV was one of inventions that negatively affected people's imagination. Why read a long book if you could watch a 2 hour movie.

    Yes, without machines we would be living in last century but I wish we use them wisely.

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    Yes we have. What happens in a business when the computers go down. Everyone starts ********. What happens when your car doesn't work. We all rely on machines everyday. Has that ruined your life? Would you rather be riding a horse to work? Would you want all the business work on paper in file cabinets? I'm amazed at how people complain about this. Our whole existence as Humans has been the evolution of knowledge and learning how to make things to help us to something from using the first bones as a weapon to figuring out how to start a fire and so on. Romanticizing doing things the old way isn't progress.
    08-21-14 08:55 AM
  14. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    I agree, but they have to piece everything together to get what they want unless they are specifically watching you for some reason. Why would you otherwise just hand over detailed information of your everyday lives to any entity?
    So Google knows where you live, where you work, when you go to work, what route you take and that's just one piece of the puzzle. Now if they have your search data, your internet activity and other information don't you think they eventually will know exactly who you are?
    Again, convenience is not worth my privacy. Sorry.
    Just watch the movie Enemy of the State. This is the lower tech way without hacking Facebook or Google and they probably do this.
    08-21-14 09:00 AM
  15. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    This is really disturbing. I just shared this with my Android using friends (over BBM of course) and they're not happy at all.

    I don't believe anybody could simply dismiss this. If you had someone following you all day and noting every place you go, even if you are doing nothing wrong, wouldn't you ask yourself why?? What are they gaining from this?

    Location services for GPS, traffic is fine, but why are they logging your whereabouts in a database? Don't be evil my a$s. This is so low.. I can't believe they are getting away with this.
    Wow! You don't know what your talking about. You must not understand about how things work. You basically are saying "You use gas to make my car work?" Don't be evil my a$s!" To make Google Now work it needs data. How in Hades would your secretary be able to do things for you if she didn't know your schedule, contacts, things your working on, and one of the most important where you are throughout the day? Wow. Some people have no idea what it takes to make programs / software work. I guess Google can just employ a group of psychics like in the Minority Report to make Google Now work. Don't do evil my a$s.
    08-21-14 09:15 AM
  16. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    BlackBerry collects some data. Thanks for pointing that out a hundred times. That doesn't minimize what we are talking about here. Google collects data from many different services and avenues and COMBINES all of your data that it collects. Google has ton's of services and other ways they collect data. Do you understand that? They also combine all their services together to "better serve you". If you take all the different ways Google collects data and then combines it's data, what BlackBerry collects pales in comparison. It would really be nice if you stopped excusing what Google does and stopped slamming BlackBerry for collecting a tiny fraction of what Google collects (and stores).
    BB just can't be good at anything I guess. Google is #1 at collecting data. Shame on them! I guess this data is only used to make money off of me. None of this data helps me daily by their services. Thanks for setting me strait. I'll call my congressman now.
    08-21-14 09:22 AM
  17. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    08-21-14 09:26 AM
  18. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    Thanks Raino. I have a lot of respect for your posts.
    Google mapped the entire countries wifi networks so they can provide more accurate location data. They got in trouble for "accidentally" capturing and saving data from open wifi connections. If you don't want your home wifi to be mapped by google, you have to add "_nomap" to your wireless SSID. Google is not as sweet and innocent as some of you think they are. I said it before. They will not be satisfied until they collect as much data as possible on as many people as possible to make as much money as possible. How can anyone stick-up for that??
    Easy. They aren't evil either as people make them out to be. They have 2 keys. Make great products people want and make money. Sometimes making money and being clueless means they do something stupid. People call them on it and it's corrected. I have no issue with any company trying to make great products. You loose me when people think that all these great services are free or made up with pixie dust and unicorns. Data makes up the core of every Google service from search, Gnow, Gphotos, G Maps and so on.
    08-21-14 09:52 AM
  19. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    You think you can manage ALL the data Google collected about you?? LOL. You can only opt out of TARGETED advertising. The only way you can opt out of ad networks is to allow the ad networks to store an opt out cookie on your computer. Please don't tell me you actually allow cookies in your browser.
    You are drinking the Google Kool-Aid and I am now starting to feel sorry for you.
    Hows that bunker coming?
    08-21-14 09:53 AM
  20. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    It's funny how BlackBerry phones have been the only phones that law enforcement and gov't officials have used and trusted for years. BlackBerry is held to a higher standard and I would trust them with the small amount of data they may have on me far more than any other company.
    Hmm. Makes me wonder. If I was the government and I know no phones are really safe I choose the phone company I know I could force to do what I want. I might even build them up on a notion that they are the most secure to get everyone thinking this so governments around the world would use knowing I the US Gov. would have access. Going in my bunker now. WW3 starting.
    08-21-14 09:56 AM
  21. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    I wasn't aware BBRY was in the business of collecting data and whoring it out to those that pay them for advertising services. I always thought they were a telecom/hardware company that made money from (overpriced, often outdated) devices and services.
    I guess you need to read the TOS and ask why they need the TOS worded this way.
    08-21-14 09:59 AM
  22. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    I've got news for you.....they've already GOT all that data. Google or not.

    Ever heard of targeted ads? Google or not, all the bits of info you leave online is used to deliver to you those ads you see right by the CB banner.

    I GAVE Google the authority to track my location because I GET information through Google Now which I USE. Google knows where I live, where I work, where I get my nails done because I TOLD Google oh verily yah please do track me.

    What's all the drama? Does anyone REALLY think that *THEY* can't get info on you?

    Got a credit card? Pay taxes? Have credit? Have a mortgage? Use FB, Twitter, Foursquare? Look at porn? Google or not *THEY* already can bring up that information and can produce it and turn it over to whoever needs it. There IS no privacy.

    Does anyone REALLY think that by avoiding Google they can keep *THEM* away from collecting data? If they can't get it through Google they get it through whatever other method is at their disposal.

    It really tickles me when I read all the NSA discussions here. Ooooooo I've got a BlackBerry the NSA can't get to me. Seriously......*THEY* already got it .

    Value your privacy? Live off the grid. Otherwise you already gave *THEM* data by paying your bills, taxes, logging on social media...heck logging in here. Me? I know that if I get lost on a hike Google has tracked me. Works fine for me, knowing that if I go missing *THEY* can get that info. And that's a bigger and more real concern to me than black helicopters swooping down on me and some mainframe amassing bits of data on my latest trip to Designer Shoe Warehouse.
    You are a smart lady. I like how people think that any of these services can work without knowing this and how they don't understand the governments (esp US) has out spend EVERYONE building systems to track people that Goolge's data when they where able to hack them was icing on the cake and not the entire cake.
    08-21-14 10:08 AM
  23. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    Like what?

    Does anyone know what service you could gain if you enable your location tracking? My 5 year old garmin gives me directions without collecting personal information. Or put it another way, do you think you would lose anything if the location tracking setting is turned off?

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    It really is what makes Google Now work. Contextual knowledge (knowing where you are) is the future. Telling you info before you ask, like displaying navigation to the hotel when you plane lands. Pulling up your boarding pass when you arrive at the airport. Showing you the weather in the city your landing in tomorrow. So many possibilities. The ones I listed are what Google now does currently.
    08-21-14 10:22 AM
  24. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    I see a lot of lame excuses defending Android's blatant data collection on this thread.

    To those people who answered "Yes" to "Would you like location services On?":

    Would you answer the same to:
    "Would you like Google to track and log your whereabouts forever which will benefit you in no way at all? In fact it may be used against you and Google will use it to get to know you better for is own ulterior motives and profiting."

    Location Services should not mean 24x7 people following.

    Android is garbage. Raise the bar and defend your privacy. This is not right.



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    You must post and not read anything or something because if Google had no value to give us the users then no one would use them. I guess 85% of the world sees value where you don't.
    08-21-14 10:27 AM
  25. Nicholas Kathrein's Avatar
    If they turned on their location services, we'd know for sure! 😁
    We wouldn't unless they shared it.
    08-21-14 10:29 AM
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