08-05-10 01:03 PM
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  1. Matrix Leader's Avatar
    A day after the United Arab Emirates threatened to suspend some BlackBerry services for fear they are a threat to national security, Research In Motion (RIMM) is taking steps to allay those concerns. First, it released a statement emphasizing its commitment to security.

    RIM respects both the regulatory requirements of government and the security and privacy needs of corporations and consumers, the statement reads. RIM does not disclose confidential regulatory discussions that take place with any government. However, RIM assures its customers that it is committed to continue delivering highly secure and innovative products.

    Second, it met with UAE authorities and offered to give them the information they need to monitor BlackBerry services.

    After some persuasion, the (BlackBerry) representative agreed that they can provide the Metadata of the message ie the IP address of the Blackberry Enterprise Server (BES) and PIN & IMEI of the BlackBerry mobile, internal notes from the meeting reveal. The concerned internet service provider can also tell the location of the services as well. From these information, the security agencies can easily locate the BES and obtain the decrypted message. They also stated that they have a setup to help the security agencies in tracking the messages in which security agencies are interested in.

    Report: RIM Agrees to UAE Monitoring Request - Yahoo! Finance
    08-03-10 02:19 PM
  2. Matrix Leader's Avatar
    are we sure this is true?
    I've already read in the news today that DU and ETISALAT are setting up plans for alternatives to the BlackBerry Services that will include e-mail, web browsing, and a messenger, however I doubt that they can even come close to teh perfection of BlackBerry.

    I was shocked to just read this, I have my doubts, but since it's posted on Yahoo!, and the content makes sense as RIM wouldn't want to lose so much business in the region theire shares on NASDAQ have already started dropping so....time will tell I guess?
    08-03-10 02:26 PM
  3. rizzzzoooo's Avatar
    Wow...never thought this would happen.
    08-03-10 02:30 PM
  4. Reed McLay's Avatar
    BlackBerry to open code for security check-Hardware-Infotech-The Economic Times

    Turns out the blogger got it wrong. The actual news story concerns India, not the UAE.

    During its meeting with the telecom department officials, RIM explained that corporate emails sent via the BlackBerry handset are sent in an encrypted format. This encryption code first scrambles the emails sent from a BlackBerry device and unscrambles it when the message reaches its target. The encrypted email is sent to the Blackberry Enterprise Server (BES) located in the premises of the corporate that avails of this service. In the BES, this email is stored in the decrypted format, but when the message is pushed back to the BlackBerry handset of the receiver, it is again sent in an encrypted format. RIM executives also explained that the only way security agencies can access these emails in the decrypted form is at the email server.


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    RIM is not giving up anything here, nobody is spying on the encrypted content.
    08-03-10 02:32 PM
  5. Matrix Leader's Avatar
    oh crap..what a bummer
    08-03-10 03:29 PM
  6. 312's Avatar
    oh crap..what a bummer
    Bummer? You should be happy RIM isn't going against their principles. Without them, you'd have an Android or iPhone.
    08-03-10 03:37 PM
  7. Exiled Bulldawg's Avatar
    BlackBerry to open code for security check-Hardware-Infotech-The Economic Times

    Turns out the blogger got it wrong. The actual news story concerns India, not the UAE.



    RIM is not giving up anything here, nobody is spying on the encrypted content.
    Thanks for being a voice of reason, as always, Reed! I posted something similar in this thread: http://forums.crackberry.com/f2/end-...ml#post5415617
    08-03-10 04:22 PM
  8. kenshell's Avatar
    You guys forgot this.
    RIM is letting them do what they want.

    NEW DELHI/DUBAI — BlackBerry maker Research In Motion is willing to block porn sites and let government spies snoop on users, newspapers reported on Tuesday, following a shock ban on its key services in the Gulf.

    BlackBerry will block porn, let UAE monitor e-mail - Technology & science - Wireless - msnbc.com
    08-03-10 05:43 PM
  9. reeneebob's Avatar
    They just announced that Saudi Arabia is instituting a ban starting this Friday as well....
    08-03-10 05:51 PM
  10. diegonei's Avatar
    How is RIM allowing them to break encryption if UAE is banning the service from the country and preparing to offer similar web/email data plans they can monitor?

    Come on... Pay attention to what Reed said. RIM didn't give in to them.
    08-03-10 08:19 PM
  11. Reed McLay's Avatar
    The Associated Press reported RIM says it has not agreed to heightened surveillance by the Indian government.Talks are continuing over access to e-mails and other data sent from the smart phones.
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    RIM has given "initial approval" to block 3,000 porn sites at the request of Kuwait's communications ministry ...

    Blocking access to some 3000 specified porn sites is a reasonable request.

    I don't think there is any way that RIM can limit it to only Kuwait subscribers, it will likely apply to all BlackBerry users.

    CBC News - Technology & Science - RIM says traffic can't be monitored

    RIM says traffic can't be monitored


    Research in Motion scrambled Wednesday to address concerns about its technology that assures that a user's email is private.

    Waterloo, Ont.-based RIM issued a statement early in the day saying it wanted "to set the record straight" after recent "commentary, speculation, and misrepresentation."
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    "RIM cannot accommodate any request for a copy of a customer's encryption key, since at no time does RIM, or any wireless operator or any third party, ever possess a copy of the key."

    ...


    08-04-10 09:10 AM
  12. Reed McLay's Avatar
    U.S. authorities able to tap BlackBerry messaging | Reuters

    U.S. authorities able to tap BlackBerry messaging
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    U.S. law enforcement officials said they can tap into emails and other conversations made using the device, made by Research in Motion, as long as they have proper court orders.
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    The ability to tap communications is a part of surveillance and intelligence and law enforcement all over the world," said Mark Rasch, former head of the computer crimes unit at the U.S. Department of Justice.
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    Former head honcho at the JD?

    I would guess the Reuters reporter got a "No comment" from everybody on the inside now and managed to dig up this source.

    There is do doubt, the raw signal intelligence is captured and archived. The question is, can anybody, NSA included, decrypt 256 bit AES?
    08-04-10 09:52 AM
  13. Exiled Bulldawg's Avatar
    U.S. authorities able to tap BlackBerry messaging | Reuters



    Former head honcho at the JD?

    I would guess the Reuters reporter got a "No comment" from everybody on the inside now and managed to dig up this source.

    There is do doubt, the raw signal intelligence is captured and archived. The question is, can anybody, NSA included, decrypt 256 bit AES?
    Reed, this is CALEA. The Federal government is forbidden to randomly listen in to conversations. And this is a requirement for all service providers. There is no getting around it, the final regulations were instituted in 2007. This applies to anyone offering access to the internet or phone. While the traffic from a user's handset to RIM might be encrypted, there has to be a way for them to comply or this would have been a major issue long before now in the US. In so far as the content filtering, I think RIM will be able to limit its filtering to the regions, for as evidenced by the outages, certain servers control certain regions.

    And, again, according to the Telecommunications Act of 1996, all information that identifies a single customer is considered "customer proprietary network information" and that access is limited.
    Last edited by Exiled Bulldawg; 08-04-10 at 03:06 PM.
    08-04-10 03:03 PM
  14. Ghostnyc's Avatar
    Yes like every other major company who wants to do business in the global community- GOOGLE, YAHOO, APPLE, ETC

    They all bend to a degree for the business. Hopefully RIM will charge them a few BILLION to implement BES for the country.
    08-04-10 04:28 PM
  15. JRSCCivic98's Avatar
    Blocking access to some 3000 specified porn sites is a reasonable request.

    I don't think there is any way that RIM can limit it to only Kuwait subscribers, it will likely apply to all BlackBerry users.

    CBC News - Technology & Science - RIM says traffic can't be monitored





    OK, so for the sake of argument, you think it's ok that EVERYONE in the world with a BB has to abide by stupid *** Middle Eastern rules because RIM can't just tell them to f off and take a hit to their bottom line? Ya, that's good for business. If RIM starts blocking content to everyone across the globe because of a certain region's requests, expect some serious negativity to hit the BB platform with the quickness.

    This sort of thing will cause people of the free world to be even more pissed at the UAEs and RIM as a UAE money wh***, whether you like it or not. It's what'll happen.
    08-04-10 05:52 PM
  16. tumer's Avatar
    Shouldn't the citizens of uae be fighting this not rim. Realistically rim should let them spy. It shodnt be up to rim to change a country it should be up to the people that live there. They should get off there as* and do something about it. I'm sure if that happened hear a lot of people would have something to say about it!
    08-04-10 06:20 PM
  17. SCrid2000's Avatar
    Shouldn't the citizens of uae be fighting this not rim. Realistically rim should let them spy. It shodnt be up to rim to change a country it should be up to the people that live there. They should get off there as* and do something about it. I'm sure if that happened hear a lot of people would have something to say about it!
    I kind of agree with you, but it's nice that businesses try to support individual rights instead of leaving individual consumers to deal with it on their own. After all, businesses worth billions of dollars have a lot more clout than a couple pissed consumers.
    08-04-10 06:27 PM
  18. Exiled Bulldawg's Avatar
    I kind of agree with you, but it's nice that businesses try to support individual rights instead of leaving individual consumers to deal with it on their own. After all, businesses worth billions of dollars have a lot more clout than a couple pissed consumers.
    I would agree with you, to a point. However, if they are so worried about their privacy, they had best figure a way to use something like PGP or some other public key encryption scheme.

    And not have a single choke point like RIM for the government to watch.
    08-04-10 09:09 PM
  19. CubanoGT's Avatar
    RIM would get sued if they start blocking online content here in the USA, they know better we sue for everything! Imagine this? Lol!
    08-04-10 10:45 PM
  20. Radius's Avatar
    I can't believe so many people are upset about this. Welcome to international business! It is normal, accept it.

    Try calling Taiwan a country in mainland China, I dare you.
    08-04-10 11:28 PM
  21. TheScionicMan's Avatar
    it should be up to the people that live there. They should get off there as* and do something about it.
    Some people were trying to do that and they were using Blackberries to organize and communicate and that's why we are here discussing this now...
    08-05-10 12:40 AM
  22. L o r d R a j's Avatar
    Hey,

    For those of you commenting that Content Restriction will HAVE TO BE applied across the board:

    Well, it doesn't work that way. Porn sites have been blocked on BB's - for the Etisalat and DU users - for some time now.

    There was a similar uproar in Kuwait, a while back with MPs demanding a BAN on the device because it provided unrestricted access to porn sites.

    Of course the issue died off soon enough. And now with UAE Saudi and India yapping all over again about ' SECURITY CONCERNS ', the talks have started again in Kuwait.

    So far, it's just Content filtering (blocking Porn Sites) and NOT suspension of service.
    08-05-10 01:01 AM
  23. L o r d R a j's Avatar
    BTW,

    The 'ALTERNATIVES' suggested by Etisalat... not happening:

    Bundled SMS, MMS
    Bundled data usage
    Bundled Voice minutes to choose from
    Alternative Smartphones

    All those Blackberry customers who subscribed to the Blackberry services on or before 31 Jul 10, will be provided with the below base package as default.
    Besides, add-on packages are also available:

    More details on their website (CrackBerry won't let me post links until I am at least 10 posts old).

    These are DEFINITELY NOT alternatives to the BlackBerry Service. Not even close!
    08-05-10 01:12 AM
  24. Kawdess's Avatar
    I don't think there is any way that RIM can limit it to only Kuwait subscribers, it will likely apply to all BlackBerry users.

    As Lord Raj pointed out, the UAE has implemented content blocking (not just restricted to porn sites) several months ago. A simple work around was to download a 3rd party browser like Bolt (and the authorities responded by blocking boltbrowser.com)
    08-05-10 04:32 AM
  25. L o r d R a j's Avatar
    I don't think there is any way that RIM can limit it to only Kuwait subscribers, it will likely apply to all BlackBerry users.

    As Lord Raj pointed out, the UAE has implemented content blocking (not just restricted to porn sites) several months ago. A simple work around was to download a 3rd party browser like Bolt (and the authorities responded by blocking boltbrowser.com)
    Kawdees,

    I think my post has been misunderstood.

    Etisalat and DU were (and continue to) FILTER the content.
    The subscribers could use all the services and browse. BUT they couldn't browse porn sites, using the NATIVE BROWSER.

    As you rightly states - using Opera Mini or other browsers, a work around was available.

    In Kuwait - again - at present, it's pretty much official that BB service will work as normal. However, content filtering will be implemented and it will be JUST for the region.
    08-05-10 05:37 AM
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