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  1. ronjon12's Avatar
    I am not sure if this is old news or not.....

    RIM breaks into top 5 phone makers - The Globe and Mail

    "Blackberry-maker Research in Motion (RIM-T 72.99 0.65 0.90%) broke into the top five cell phone makers in January-March for the first time ever, helped by booming smart phone demand. The global handset market has been dominated by five major players – Nokia, Samsung, LG Electronics, Motorola and Sony Ericsson – for the last five years.

    Over the last two years Sony Ericsson and Motorola have struggled with falling sales and market share, and despite fast market growth, both firms reported sharp drops in sales volumes. IDC estimated RIM shipped 10.6 million phones in January-March, just ahead of Sony Ericsson's 10.5 million.

    The research firm said all vendors in total made 295 million phones in the quarter, up 21.7 per cent from a year ago, and stuck to its 11 per cent market growth forecast for 2010. “The entrance of RIM into the top 5 underscores the sustained smart phone growth trend that is driving the global mobile phone market recovery,” IDC analyst Kevin Restivo said in a statement. Motorola, who was the second largest phone maker just six years ago, sold 8.5 million phones in the quarter, falling also behind Apple (AAPL-Q 266.40 -2.24 -0.83%), who sold 8.75 million iPhones.

    Nokia shipped 107.8 million phones in the quarter, with Korean vendors Samsung and LG selling 64.3 million and 27.1 million phones, respectively."
    04-30-10 12:12 PM
  2. mjbesen310's Avatar
    yup.. its posted on the front page of CB too! Rim is growing big time yet. RIM is saying they have 40 million users right now, and could reach 100 Million users in the upcoming months! thats a huge growth in RIM!
    04-30-10 12:39 PM
  3. scorpiodsu's Avatar
    LOL @ the above. They have 40 million users and will grow over 100% in a matter of months? Hahahahahahhahaha. Someone's not being realistic. So you expect them to gain more users in a few months than they have in the past decade? Seriously? Once again, ahahahahahahahahahah.
    04-30-10 03:26 PM
  4. weblou's Avatar
    LOL.. i don't think there was need for all your "hahaha" but i do agree. i say around 10 to 12 million extra users in 3 months is more realistic ( and this if they release the "new device".

    But i have to say being in the top 5 world wide is a huge thing. And considering the fact they only sell smartphones makes this even more of an achievement to me.

    LOL @ the above. They have 40 million users and will grow over 100% in a matter of months? Hahahahahahhahaha. Someone's not being realistic. So you expect them to gain more users in a few months than they have in the past decade? Seriously? Once again, ahahahahahahahahahah.
    04-30-10 03:31 PM
  5. infamyx's Avatar
    LOL.. i don't think there was need for all your "hahaha" but i do agree. i say around 10 to 12 million extra users in 3 months is more realistic ( and this if they release the "new device".

    But i have to say being in the top 5 world wide is a huge thing. And considering the fact they only sell smartphones makes this even more of an achievement to me.
    yes but take into account their smartphone average selling price keeps plummeting while their numbers keep going up means the Curve accounts for a massive ammount of sales (more than likely 45% if not more). RIM will have to keep pumping out cheap hardware to stay on that list, just like everyone else on there.

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    04-30-10 04:10 PM
  6. weblou's Avatar
    Yea i agree, the curve is the lowest price BB out there I think (of the newer ones). But still it is higher priced then most of those brands cheaper line. Some Nokias, LG, Samsungs are going for $100 brand new...obviously there not smart phones. So i do agree that it's the lower end BB's that gave RIM this position but there lower end phone is still more expensive then the other brands low end phones

    It will be interesting to see what impact the new Pearl 3G will have. I think it's going to be a very popular device and nicely priced.


    yes but take into account their smartphone average selling price keeps plummeting while their numbers keep going up means the Curve accounts for a massive ammount of sales (more than likely 45% if not more). RIM will have to keep pumping out cheap hardware to stay on that list, just like everyone else on there.

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    04-30-10 04:29 PM
  7. MrObvious's Avatar
    I bought my first BB in January. So yeah it's possible. I think they are starting to get over the idea of business only and if OS 6 doesn't disappoint that trend will continue.
    04-30-10 06:00 PM
  8. infamyx's Avatar
    Yea i agree, the curve is the lowest price BB out there I think (of the newer ones). But still it is higher priced then most of those brands cheaper line. Some Nokias, LG, Samsungs are going for $100 brand new...obviously there not smart phones. So i do agree that it's the lower end BB's that gave RIM this position but there lower end phone is still more expensive then the other brands low end phones

    It will be interesting to see what impact the new Pearl 3G will have. I think it's going to be a very popular device and nicely priced.
    The Pearl will do well if its cheaply priced, which i read its starting price is around 79 on a 2 year contract, not too shabby i guess but not my cup of tea.

    I think if RIM has a swappable keyboard or just offers a qwerty variant that isnt suretype it could be really big, but not overtaking the Curve by any means
    04-30-10 07:19 PM
  9. weblou's Avatar
    No I don't think it will do better then the curve. And for the price I read the same 79 with contract.
    About not being your cup of tea lol... I agree it's not something I would get but I'm sure there's allot of people out there that were waiting for this

    The Pearl will do well if its cheaply priced, which i read its starting price is around 79 on a 2 year contract, not too shabby i guess but not my cup of tea.

    I think if RIM has a swappable keyboard or just offers a qwerty variant that isnt suretype it could be really big, but not overtaking the Curve by any means
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    04-30-10 08:07 PM
  10. Skeevecr's Avatar
    The Pearl will do well if its cheaply priced, which i read its starting price is around 79 on a 2 year contract, not too shabby i guess but not my cup of tea.
    Same for me, I wouldn't use one either, but the fact that the 81xx models were still being sold by carriers shows that there is a market for that form factor, not to mention that with the t9-style keyboard of the 9105 rim seems to see this handset as a gateway drug into the world of blackberries.

    I think if RIM has a swappable keyboard or just offers a qwerty variant that isnt suretype it could be really big, but not overtaking the Curve by any means
    A full qwerty just wouldn't be as usable on a device this small, the fact that they added a second keyboard type and it wasn't qwerty either should convince people of that because if anyone would have put a qwerty on a phone if they could it would be rim.
    05-01-10 05:03 AM
  11. Skeevecr's Avatar
    Beyond the good news for rim moving up, they should also take the warning from how far motorola have fallen over the years despite the vast growth in the market.
    05-01-10 05:05 AM
  12. JRSCCivic98's Avatar
    Beyond the good news for rim moving up, they should also take the warning from how far motorola have fallen over the years despite the vast growth in the market.
    And Palm, on how the mighty of yesteryear have fallen.

    BTW, as to the title of this thread... and it only took them 26 years to do it. Some other companies out there have penetrated this market in what seems as over night by comparison.

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    Last edited by JRSCCivic98; 05-01-10 at 08:35 AM.
    05-01-10 08:30 AM
  13. i7guy's Avatar
    And Palm, on how the mighty of yesteryear have fallen.

    BTW, as to the title of this thread... and it only took them 26 years to do it. Some other companies out there have penetrated this market in what seems as over night by comparison.

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    True dat, but other companies have made zero or almost zero penetratation into the business and government market.

    And truthfully, having a government contract is a way to guarantee an income stream good times or bad. I wish I made as many "mistakes" as RIM over the years. lol
    05-01-10 08:53 AM
  14. JRSCCivic98's Avatar
    I will admit, that has been their saving grace. But it's also their Achilles heel. They tick them off with stability issues and down times and that will all go away. Honestly, I think companies like BB because the handsets are a dime a dozen. They are cheap to replace and they have total network nazi control over them. In a control driven company environment, that will always win. Palm used to be there... not anymore though.

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    05-01-10 09:03 AM
  15. Skeevecr's Avatar
    BTW, as to the title of this thread... and it only took them 26 years to do it. Some other companies out there have penetrated this market in what seems as over night by comparison.
    Oh come off it, you are not even trying with your trolling now, they haven't been making phones for 26 years not to mention the fact that a mobile phone maker who only makes smartphones breaking into the top 5 ahead of companies that make both types of phones is actually a really big deal.
    05-01-10 06:11 PM
  16. JRSCCivic98's Avatar
    Oh come off it, you are not even trying with your trolling now, they haven't been making phones for 26 years not to mention the fact that a mobile phone maker who only makes smartphones breaking into the top 5 ahead of companies that make both types of phones is actually a really big deal.
    I wasn't talking about Moto. And you're right, they haven't been making smartphones for 26 years... they've been making pagers.

    BTW, Apple hasn't been making smartphones for even 5 years yet, but they're #1 selling in the US right now. Not to mention the iPhone hardware/software pretty much turned the smartphone world upside down and caused a lot of companies to make a jumpstart on bringing new hardware/software to market. Without that push in 2007, I don't think we'd be where we are right now.... and I'm not alone on that thought.
    05-01-10 06:21 PM
  17. weblou's Avatar
    I agree that apple changed the smartphone market (mostly for touch devices). But without blackberry's innovations I'm pretty sure we weren't be where we are today . And no one could deny that.

    I wasn't talking about Moto. And you're right, they haven't been making smartphones for 26 years... they've been making pagers.

    BTW, Apple hasn't been making smartphones for even 5 years yet, but they're #1 selling in the US right now. Not to mention the iPhone hardware/software pretty much turned the smartphone world upside down and caused a lot of companies to make a jumpstart on bringing new hardware/software to market. Without that push in 2007, I don't think we'd be where we are right now.... and I'm not alone on that thought.
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    05-01-10 10:55 PM
  18. grahamf's Avatar
    Oh come off it, you are not even trying with your trolling now, they haven't been making phones for 26 years not to mention the fact that a mobile phone maker who only makes smartphones breaking into the top 5 ahead of companies that make both types of phones is actually a really big deal.
    ++
    there was a study a while back that 90% of all phones being sold are dumb or feature phones, not smart phones.
    ****, Nokia has what? 70%? and their most common phones are the el cheapo candybars with the flashlight on top, not the Symbian phones with any capabilities.
    05-02-10 12:28 AM
  19. stuaw11's Avatar
    Oh come off it, you are not even trying with your trolling now, they haven't been making phones for 26 years not to mention the fact that a mobile phone maker who only makes smartphones breaking into the top 5 ahead of companies that make both types of phones is actually a really big deal.
    Theyve been making phone a heck of a lot longer than people like HTC or Apple who are hot on their heels still.

    And theres no difference here. RIM makes cheap throw away phones that are just as cheap as flip phones. It shows when their #1 selling phone is a freebie and BOGO phone. When you can crack the top 5 selling smartphones that are mid to high end (like HTC or Apple) THEN thats a really big deal. Selling a lot of free/BOGO phones isnt brain surgery; you make a cheap product and people's eyes light up when they see "free."


    And lets not negate the fact that Apple sold less than 2 million less than RIM. If/when iphones start selling on VZW, theyre going to be looking at RIM in the rear view mirror
    Last edited by stuaw11; 05-02-10 at 01:19 AM.
    05-02-10 12:37 AM
  20. luna9698's Avatar
    Theyve been making phone a heck of a lot longer than people like HTC or Apple who are hot on their heels still.

    And theres no difference here. RIM makes cheap throw away phones that are just as cheap as flip phones. It shows when their #1 selling phone is a freebie and BOGO phone. When you can crack the top 5 selling smartphones that are mid to high end (like HTC or Apple) THEN thats a really big deal. Selling a lot of free/BOGO phones isnt brain surgery; you make a cheap product and people's eyes light up when they see "free."


    And lets not negate the fact that Apple sold less than 2 million less than RIM. If/when iphones start selling on VZW, theyre going to be looking at RIM in the rear view mirror

    Oh how I love how the iPhone fanbois will still try to make this a Apple vs BB thread. This thread has NOTHING to do with iPhones or Apple.
    Last edited by luna9698; 05-02-10 at 01:53 AM.
    05-02-10 01:49 AM
  21. stuaw11's Avatar
    Well you should work at RIM because youd get along great with Lizardis if you want to ignore the competition and put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la I cant hear you" and merely live in one moment in time.

    Wireless doesnt work like that, one moment means nothing, Palm is a great example of that sitting there thinking they couldnt be touched.
    Last edited by stuaw11; 05-02-10 at 02:45 AM.
    05-02-10 02:42 AM
  22. Skeevecr's Avatar
    BTW, Apple hasn't been making smartphones for even 5 years yet, but they're #1 selling in the US right now. Not to mention the iPhone hardware/software pretty much turned the smartphone world upside down and caused a lot of companies to make a jumpstart on bringing new hardware/software to market. Without that push in 2007, I don't think we'd be where we are right now.... and I'm not alone on that thought.
    Reread what those articles say, it says that apple are the #1 american manufacturer of smartphones not that they are the top seller in the US.

    As far as them turning the smartphone upside down, they were simply following an already existing interest in some areas for touchscreen phones and have proceeded to make a lot of money by having a nice product that has been heavily advertised. Without them you can't be sure how the market would have progressed that's true, but that can be both a positive and negative thing.

    If you want to give an example of Apple being ahead of the trends then the ipad is a much better example, tablet computing keeps coming back every so often, but this is the first time somebody has taken the approach of concentrating on making a completely mainstream product for media consumption rather than something more fully featured that then suffers as far as weight or battery life.
    05-02-10 06:09 AM
  23. Skeevecr's Avatar
    Theyve been making phone a heck of a lot longer than people like HTC or Apple who are hot on their heels still.
    HTC have actually been making phones since about 2002 or 2003, so not actually much different from rim, they are also not that close to either rim or apple yet.

    Apple have come on faster, but the combination of a good product and a huge ad budget will tend to do that.

    And theres no difference here. RIM makes cheap throw away phones that are just as cheap as flip phones. It shows when their #1 selling phone is a freebie and BOGO phone. When you can crack the top 5 selling smartphones that are mid to high end (like HTC or Apple) THEN thats a really big deal. Selling a lot of free/BOGO phones isnt brain surgery; you make a cheap product and people's eyes light up when they see "free."
    Not sure what the situation is in the states, but iphones have been available on free or cheap tariffs for quite some time elsewhere so they are hardly an expensive option either. Also, while those phones are free to the customer, both rim and apple will be getting the money from the carrier so the correct term is carrier-subsidised rather than free.


    And lets not negate the fact that Apple sold less than 2 million less than RIM. If/when iphones start selling on VZW, theyre going to be looking at RIM in the rear view mirror
    They are likely to get an initial boost from such a move as people who wanted an iphone but prefer vzw switch back and the ones who wanted one but were unable to change from vzw get one, but in the long run the figures won't change greatly because of that unless you want to try and claim that the amount of people who were unable to switch isn't a small subset of the total subscribers.
    Last edited by Skeevecr; 05-02-10 at 06:35 AM.
    05-02-10 06:26 AM
  24. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Oh how I love how the iPhone fanbois will still try to make this a Apple vs BB thread. This thread has NOTHING to do with iPhones or Apple.

    Don't you just love that?!!? The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

    I can stay away from this forum for a week because I'm on travel, come back, and I still see the same anti-RIM hatred from the usual suspects spouting venom, as if they were the CEOs for the companies they just luuuuv, as if those companies were the answer to all the world's ills...

    Went away, came back, checked in, same idiocy....will check out for news of the devices in which I'm interested (any news on that Dell device?!?!) and I'm off again....will check back in mid-May and it will still be the same trolling from the usual suspects...

    I'll come back to check on the slider and/or Dakota....
    Last edited by Qbnkelt; 05-02-10 at 07:33 AM.
    05-02-10 07:27 AM
  25. JoelTruckerDude's Avatar
    Oh how I love how the iPhone fanbois will still try to make this a Apple vs BB thread. This thread has NOTHING to do with iPhones or Apple.
    Right, it's like the thread topic could be "Replacement Ear Bud Gels for Motorola S9 Headset" and he'd still find a way to twist it into an "Apple vs RIM" war. Too bad he don't realize it's not about who's on top, but what works best for each and every individual.

    I think he might stand a better chance preaching the "Apple Gospel" in a "socialist" country
    05-02-10 07:31 AM
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