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  1. crazigee's Avatar
    Not at least porting the Android app to BB10 is pretty darn bad, no matter what your view on the matter.

    I'm pretty sure BlackBerry now allows submission of raw APK files to BBW (no porting required). If they can't even take the 10 seconds to upload the APK....

    I mean, c'mon.

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    What does that have to do with being Canadian? Sorry, but national pride isn't tied to a mobile app.

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    06-03-14 02:24 AM
  2. mnc76's Avatar
    What does that have to do with being Canadian? Sorry, but national pride isn't tied to a mobile app.

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    Really? 10 seconds to support a struggling Canadian company? There are only 4 players in the mobile space, and one is Canadian, yet 10 seconds is too much of an investment?

    Yet at the same time, you support Canadian interests?

    There seems to be a contradiction in there somewhere.


    (I mean, if we were talking about having to hire expensive developers and spending months developing the app... but we're talking about less time than it takes for most people to tie their shoes.

    What so-called "proud Canadian" wouldn't help 1000s of struggling Canadians if all it took was an investment of less than a single minute of their time? What kind of "proud Canadian" is THAT?

    E.g.: "I'm a proud Canadian, but if you think I'll spend 10 seconds to help a fellow Canadian -- you're dead wrong"... ?).


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    Last edited by mnc76; 06-03-14 at 03:00 AM.
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    06-03-14 02:43 AM
  3. mnc76's Avatar
    What does that have to do with being Canadian? Sorry, but national pride isn't tied to a mobile app.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    I also add, that WestJet ads don't just say "We're a Canadian Company". They promote their so-called "pride" in the fact they're Canadian. They routinely point out how they help Canadians.

    If all they said was that they happen to be a business based out of Canada, then I might agree with you.

    But they themselves went that extra mile to try and convince consumers that they "care" about Canada and Canadians.

    They created these expectations entirely themselves.

    They can't get defensive now when they get called on *their own*, self-created and self-promoted, message.

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    Last edited by mnc76; 06-03-14 at 03:30 AM.
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    06-03-14 03:16 AM
  4. crazigee's Avatar
    I also add, that WestJet ads don't just say "We're a Canadian Company". They promote their so-called "pride" in the fact they're Canadian. They routinely point out how they help Canadians.

    If all they said was that they happen to be a business based out of Canada, then I might agree with you.

    But they themselves went that extra mile to try and convince consumers that they "care" about Canada and Canadians.

    They created these expectations entirely themselves.

    They can't get defensive now when they get called on *their own*, self-created and self-promoted, message.

    Posted via CB10
    Again what does that have to do with a mobile app? They employ thousands of Canadians and pump millions into the economy. That's caring about Canadians in everyone's book except BlackBerry fanatics.

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    06-03-14 08:22 AM
  5. crazigee's Avatar
    I also add, that WestJet ads don't just say "We're a Canadian Company". They promote their so-called "pride" in the fact they're Canadian. They routinely point out how they help Canadians.

    If all they said was that they happen to be a business based out of Canada, then I might agree with you.

    But they themselves went that extra mile to try and convince consumers that they "care" about Canada and Canadians.

    They created these expectations entirely themselves.

    They can't get defensive now when they get called on *their own*, self-created and self-promoted, message.

    Posted via CB10
    What a long crazy diatribe. You still don't address the simple fact that they do support struggling Canadian by employing thousands of Canadians and putting food on their tables. They also have a Canadian CEO, unlike BlackBerry.

    Having a mobile app is not what makes someone a proud Canadian.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    06-03-14 08:25 AM
  6. 1guitarguy's Avatar
    These company's they just focus not money not on their customers or even existing customers

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    06-03-14 09:39 AM
  7. webber27's Avatar
    What a long crazy diatribe. You still don't address the simple fact that they do support struggling Canadian by employing thousands of Canadians and putting food on their tables. They also have a Canadian CEO, unlike BlackBerry.

    Having a mobile app is not what makes someone a proud Canadian.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    They employ Canadians because they have to, not because they're patriotic. Their operations are almost entirely in Canada. Who else could they employ? It's like saying "wow, Tim Hortons employs mostly Canadians."

    BlackBerry also employs thousands of Canadians but nothing they need to do needs to be done in Canada. Having their headquarters in Waterloo is a good thing for Canada.

    If BlackBerry doesn't sell phones those Canadians will lose their jobs. Perhaps the biggest struggle to sell phones is the app gap. If a company wants to call themselves proudly Canadian the least they could do is put in the minimal effort it takes to port over an app. It shows some confidence in the platform, a much better alternative than going on social media and telling proclaiming that BlackBerry is too unpopular to bother.

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    06-03-14 12:41 PM
  8. crazigee's Avatar
    They employ Canadians because they have to, not because they're patriotic. Their operations are almost entirely in Canada. Who else could they employ? It's like saying "wow, Tim Hortons employs mostly Canadians."

    BlackBerry also employs thousands of Canadians but nothing they need to do needs to be done in Canada. Having their headquarters in Waterloo is a good thing for Canada.

    If BlackBerry doesn't sell phones those Canadians will lose their jobs. Perhaps the biggest struggle to sell phones is the app gap. If a company wants to call themselves proudly Canadian the least they could do is put in the minimal effort it takes to port over an app. It shows some confidence in the platform, a much better alternative than going on social media and telling proclaiming that BlackBerry is too unpopular to bother.

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    No they don't. Supporting BlackBerry isn't what makes someone patriotic. Hiring an American CEO certainly isn't.

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    06-03-14 03:03 PM
  9. crazigee's Avatar
    These company's they just focus not money not on their customers or even existing customers

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    What's you're evidence for that?

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    06-03-14 03:04 PM
  10. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    No they don't. Supporting BlackBerry isn't what makes someone patriotic. Hiring an American CEO certainly isn't.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    Having thousands of Canadian employees working in these offices in all of these Canadian locations in all of these Canadian cities makes up for the American CEO in my books

    http://ca.blackberry.com/company/about-us/maps.html



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    06-03-14 05:07 PM
  11. crazigee's Avatar
    Having thousands of Canadian employees working in these offices in all of these Canadian locations in all of these Canadian cities makes up for the American CEO in my books

    http://ca.blackberry.com/company/about-us/maps.html

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    You're proving my point!

    Having thousands of Canadian employees working in these offices in all of these Canadian locations in all of these Canadian cities, and having a Canadian CEO, more than makes up for Westjet not having a BlackBerry mobile app in my books.

    Westjet is Proudly Canadian.

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    06-03-14 06:42 PM
  12. webber27's Avatar
    You're proving my point!

    Having thousands of Canadian employees working in these offices in all of these Canadian locations in all of these Canadian cities, and having a Canadian CEO, more than makes up for Westjet not having a BlackBerry mobile app in my books.

    Westjet is Proudly Canadian.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    We're going in circles. WestJet has thousands of Canadian employees because their operations are based in Canada. It's a necessity, not patriotism. They're no more patriotic than say Air Canada, BMO, Tim Hortons.

    BlackBerry has an American CEO because they needed to bring in whoever they thought was best for a very difficult job, in the hope that all the Canadians they employ can keep their jobs.

    Let's be real, no company of this size is "patriotic". They're both public companies listed on the stock exchange whose main goal is to make profit. Employing people where you need to doesn't make you patriotic. But if you're going to call yourself that, the least you can do is put in the minimal effort to do your part to help other fellow Canadians keep their jobs.

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    06-03-14 07:44 PM
  13. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    You're proving my point!
    Actually, I'm not debating the Westjet point at all with you. Just taking issue with people who claim BlackBerry isn't "Canadian" because of the CEO and/or the manufacturing being outsourced. They still do the majority of their R&D in Canada.

    As I said earlier in the thread, the fastest way to get Westjet's attention is to write them and show demand for the app.
    06-03-14 08:15 PM
  14. Originalloverman's Avatar
    I had air France on my z10 app

    Send from the amazing powers of the? ? Z30
    06-03-14 08:19 PM
  15. danfrancisco's Avatar
    Here's the response I got from Westjet when I wrote to them about their recent Twitter comments regarding no BlackBerry app:

    " Hello Dan,

    Thank you for contacting us online.

    I'm sorry you ar disappointed that WestJet doesn't offer an app for Blackberry users.

    Currently the implementation of a BlackBerry app is not supported as only 3% of our mobile users access our information with BlackBerry devices. We are continuously evaluating and assessing options and will be taking the feedback of our guests into consideration when looking towards the future.

    Kind regards,

    Darlene
    Specialist-Guest Relations
    WestJet "

    My take: I was more disappointed in their tweet than the fact that they're not supporting BlackBerry. I think a more media savvy person could have communicated the same message in a less polarizing manner.

    It does suck that WestJet doesn't see any value in a BlackBerry app, but I don't think that makes them any less of a Canadian company.

    In my experience, WestJet has the best customer service of any airline and I find their flight staff to be the most approachable and easy going of any airline.

    Ultimately, as a Canadian, I just want all companies to support BlackBerry, regardless of their nationality.

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    06-03-14 08:27 PM
  16. Originalloverman's Avatar
    Airlines that do have apps in BlackBerry World, either native or Android ports....

    Air Canada
    Porter (Canada)
    Delta (USA)
    United (USA )
    British Airways
    KLM (Netherlands)
    Jet Airways (India)
    Lufthansa (Germany)
    Avianca (Columbia)
    Qatar Airways
    South African Airways
    Egyptair
    Garuda Indonesia
    Alitalia (Italy)
    EasyJet (UK)
    Dana Air (Nigeria)
    Vueling Airlines (Spain)
    Air Asia (Malaysia)

    Seems like all these airlines see BlackBerry as a relevant enough platform to bother putting an app on BlackBerry World. So I don't see WestJet dismissing it as particularly shrewd business wise. I'm pretty certain BlackBerry use is probably higher in Canada then most other countries.

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    There's Virgin Australia,Thia airways,Saudi airlines,mango airlines and moscow aeroexpress to name a few as well.

    Send from the amazing powers of the? ? Z30
    06-03-14 08:53 PM
  17. crazigee's Avatar
    Just taking issue with people who claim BlackBerry isn't "Canadian" because of the CEO and/or the manufacturing being outsourced. They still do the majority of their R&D in Canada.
    Just to be sure it's completely clear. I do think BlackBerry is Canadian.

    I'm just showing how silly it is for people here to be making the argument that a Canadian company such as Westjet isn't allowed to say they are "Proudly" Canadian on the sole basis that they don't have a BlackBerry app.

    If we are going to start making comments like that about Westjet then the same should apply across the board.

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    06-03-14 08:56 PM
  18. birdman_38's Avatar
    " Hello Dan,

    Thank you for contacting us online.

    I'm sorry you ar disappointed that WestJet doesn't offer an app for Blackberry users.

    Currently the implementation of a BlackBerry app is not supported as only 3% of our mobile users access our information with BlackBerry devices. We are continuously evaluating and assessing options and will be taking the feedback of our guests into consideration when looking towards the future.

    Kind regards,

    Darlene
    Specialist-Guest Relations
    WestJet "
    Gotta love their honesty. They are under no obligation to divulge those usage stats. I don't know how people can argue with facts.
    06-03-14 11:37 PM
  19. tmb2013's Avatar
    This is exactly the reason that I think BB is ultimately doomed. I work in a BB only environment. We are a worldwide firm. Senior people are only allowed BB. However, it can be BB10 or BBOS. Westjet is our preferred airline. No app. Booking or checking in through the browser is a pain in the rear end. On the other hand, Air Canada, which I hate, has a BB10 app. A huge number of our partners have released apps. On iOS, Android and BBOS. Not one of our business partners that I interact with has a BB10 app for our use, but a large number are releasing BBOS apps. Our own IT group just released an app for interacting with the servers out of office .... BBOS, only. As long as firms are still developing new apps for BBOS and ignoring 10, there is frankly no hope as far as I can see. When our own IT group, the very ones that issue BB10 devices out to the field go and develop a BBOS app, what does that say about the future of BB10?

    I have long since given up hoping that any business will even acknowledge the existence of BB10.
    06-03-14 11:47 PM
  20. crazigee's Avatar
    This is exactly the reason that I think BB is ultimately doomed. I work in a BB only environment. We are a worldwide firm. Senior people are only allowed BB. However, it can be BB10 or BBOS. Westjet is our preferred airline. No app. Booking or checking in through the browser is a pain in the rear end. On the other hand, Air Canada, which I hate, has a BB10 app. A huge number of our partners have released apps. On iOS, Android and BBOS. Not one of our business partners that I interact with has a BB10 app for our use, but a large number are releasing BBOS apps. Our own IT group just released an app for interacting with the servers out of office .... BBOS, only. As long as firms are still developing new apps for BBOS and ignoring 10, there is frankly no hope as far as I can see. When our own IT group, the very ones that issue BB10 devices out to the field go and develop a BBOS app, what does that say about the future of BB10?

    I have long since given up hoping that any business will even acknowledge the existence of BB10.
    As I've said many times, BlackBerry should be spending money to convert existing BBOS users to BB10. This money that is being spent on a second run of the 9900 is a terrible idea. Not only could it be better used in promoting that switch to BB10, it also shows that BlackBerry don't have much confidence on their new OS.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    06-04-14 05:38 AM
  21. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    As I've said many times, BlackBerry should be spending money to convert existing BBOS users to BB10. This money that is being spent on a second run of the 9900 is a terrible idea. Not only could it be better used in promoting that switch to BB10, it also shows that BlackBerry don't have much confidence on their new OS.

    Posted using my Z10 via CB10
    I hear what you're sayng (and agree to a degree) but not sure he had a choice. If there's demand for it, he needs money coming in. He wasn't spending on R&D for new hardware, just running an existing design inexpensively to meet demand and bring in revenue (hardware sales and - more importantly - service revenue). It's probably not tons of cash outlayed and they are making efforts to convert existing users ... with Z3 and Q20 being examples of devices intended to upgrade the Curves and enterprise base.

    I hear you about the OS confidence though.
    06-04-14 06:44 AM
  22. Infiniti14's Avatar
    Well, it looks like Westjet has confirmed via Twitter that they are working with BlackBerry to get their app ported. Good for them.

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    06-11-14 12:12 PM
  23. Stewartj1's Avatar
    I have the Westjet app on my S4.

    Frankly. It's not a half bad little app.

    Z10
    06-11-14 05:34 PM
  24. 1guitarguy's Avatar
    Good to know that we can make a difference

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    06-11-14 05:35 PM
  25. crazigee's Avatar
    I just noticed that my dog food brand markets themselves as "Proudly Made in Canada", but they don't have a BlackBerry app.

    Proudly Canadian? WestJet's New App for iOS & Android Only!-img_20140612_165605.jpg

    Do I need to boycott them? My dog will be most upset, but heaven forbid I support a Canadian company that doesn't have a BlackBerry app.

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    06-12-14 05:47 PM
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